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刘鑫  
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From: 刘鑫 <march....@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:39:24 +0800
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Subject: [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

*eishn <http://www.twitzap.com/#user:eishn>*在Java裡,我們用Reflection,用DyProxy、IoC、Spring、Pico、AOP、AspectJ…為什麼?因為我們要在运行时改
變obj的行為,因為我們用的Java只有變態性而沒有動態性。我們花那麼多時間做那麼多工作,為了讓一門靜態語言跑得更動態?—— Jwing

附:Java党攻击Python,通常从两个方面:
1、没有 DyProxy、IoC、Spring、Pico、AOP、AspectJ…
2、不够静态……

我手贱,如有寻仇的不要找沈葳……

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Discussion subject changed to "[share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by smallfish.xy
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From: "smallfish.xy" <smallfish...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:45:28 +0800
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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:90997] [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

有人围观么,虽然我两种都用
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http://twitter.com/smallfish_xy
http://hi.baidu.com/smallfish_xy
http://www.douban.com/people/smallfish.xy/

2009/7/1 刘鑫 <march....@gmail.com>


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Discussion subject changed to "Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by Jim Zhan
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:56:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter
jwing 同學好勇敢。。。

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Discussion subject changed to "[share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by goter
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:42:31 +0800
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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:91003] Re: [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

我很讨厌java,我有讨厌java的权利

2009/7/1 Jim Zhan <ijw...@gmail.com>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:46:07 +0800
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2009/7/1 goter <prowl...@gmail.com>

> 我很讨厌java,我有讨厌java的权利

你在这里吼,还是很安全的。
咔咔。
技术嘛,总是被合适的人选用。
其实,你讨厌的不是java,而是这个层次多态的世界啊~

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Kent  
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From: Kent <kent.y...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:31:49 +0200
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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:91006] Re: [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter
这种争论其实没什么意义。针对不同的项目用不同的技术很正常。
java看不起python,那c岂不是所有开发语言都看不起阿?
C说了,.net, php, python, java... 你们天天吵,谁能开发个计算机操作系统?
汇编旁边冷笑一下,C小弟弟,别上火,我都懒得搭理它们。

Best regards,

Kent

2009/7/1 Linker <linker.m....@gmail.com>:


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Discussion subject changed to "Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by yuhuibear
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter
其实我觉得这个也没有争论的价值,
java的反射影像中似乎和aop关系大些。
这种写法用python 也能实现, 或者说用大多数编程语言都能实现, 但是没有了语言机制级的限制, 似乎做起来就要“随意”的多, 随意的后果就
是, 无法控制。
 由硬性规则变成了软性参考, 结果就是五花八门, 这个就是我认为java真正的优势, 去冗存精。

从这个意义上, python 的设计思维和java 如出一辙, python不是说一种工作, 一个方式足以吗?
java 不外乎裁剪了 C++ (也难怪OO高手总觉得java的 oo 别扭。)

On 7月1日, 上午10时39分, 刘鑫 <march....@gmail.com> wrote:


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CL (Ciu Loeng) Lam  
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:31:48 +0800
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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:91055] Re: Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

我也觉得这种争论毫无意义。

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Discussion subject changed to "[share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by way wrong
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:27:16 +0800
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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:90997] [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

一个曾经恶毒地攻击过动态语言的C#使用者,而今痛改前非,痛哭流泣,大小便齐下,重心做人的python初学者挥一挥手,不放一个屁地飘过

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c,java,python都用,都不喜欢。

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我想知道py中的生成器在java里怎么实现?搜索java generator未果。。

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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:91168] Re: [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

顺路,搭车问一下,java适合用在什么地方,最近为找工作正准备学习来着。

2009/7/2 Li Shang <coolm...@gmail.com>


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>顺路,搭车问一下,java适合用在什么地方,最近为找工作正准备学习来着。

说说自己感觉。

1,移动领域,不少手机都支持java程序,java也有特定的SDK
2,服务器端程序,企业应用。
3,一些网站(有时候不如PHP,比如论坛阿,BLOG阿这类的)

别的地方也能用,比如弄个swing阿,applet阿什么的。
但是主要我感觉就是上面3个吧。

下面的同学给补充。

Best regards,

Kent


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运营商的项目java用的比较多把..

2009/7/2 Kent <kent.y...@gmail.com>


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2009/7/2 Gue <gue...@gmail.com>

> 顺路,搭车问一下,java适合用在什么地方,最近为找工作正准备学习来着。

从偏门说一下。
Java适合整个团队水平相对平均,并且特别牛的人不是特别多的团队。
为什么呢?
因为
1,Java有众多的社区、开源支持,你想要做什么,基本上都有对应的理论、解决方案、甚至源代码(大多都有)。不要说什么Java臃肿之类的,在问题解决不了 的情况下,轻盈抑或臃肿是没意义的。
2,Java足够死板。我不是在开玩笑。因为Java死板,所以大家写Java不会太过于诡异。
Java总是被诟病的一个地方就是OO过了,但是也正是这样,有些时候,你想写一些东西,你就必须这么写。这时候对于团队配合来说,这也许不能说是一个好处,但 是他会降低大家风格不统一、诡异的实现方式等等带来的风险。
3,不可否认,现在能写一点Java的人还是比较多的,在很多的时候,Java都是团队(唯一)的选择。这时候,团队所有成员的融入时间会降低,而融入程度会上 升。

所以,基于上面的一些理由,我在做技术选型的时候,在其他条件差不多的情况下,我会根据我团队的人员、以后可能配合的人员的情况选择技术,而大多情况下,Jav a都是第一选择。
虽然我现在的自己全权负责的项目是使用Python写的,并且我也在团队内推广Python。

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Discussion subject changed to "Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by est
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
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java和php最重要的应用在找工作领域~~~

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:41:11 +0800 (CST)
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Subject: Re:[CPyUG:91205] Re: [share] Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

在2009-07-03?08:25:48,est?<electronix...@gmail.com>?写道:

>java和php最重要的应用在找工作领域~~~

>On?Jul?2,?8:02?pm,?Kent?<kent.y...@gmail.com>?wrote:
>>?>顺路,搭车问一下,java适合用在什么地方,最近为找工作正准备学习来着。

>>?说说自己感觉。

>>?1,移动领域,不少手机都支持java程序,java也有特定的SDK
>>?2,服务器端程序,企业应用。

服务器端用 java 的还是比较少的,我认为。用 C/C++ 的比较多,Java 天生效率不行,不适合做高性能的服务器。


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Discussion subject changed to "Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter" by pf_miles
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
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“真正的程序员能使用任何语言”

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Subject: Re: [CPyUG:91213] Re: Java —— by沈仙人 on twitter

“真正的程序员只使用汇编”

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估计我们这个列表没真正的程序员了。不服气的让他用机器码或者汇编写个NB的程序出来大家欣赏下。
2009/7/3 pf_miles <Miles.w...@gmail.com>


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真正的程序员都用Lisp Machine。

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MD,我承认我不是程序员,我只是路过的…
2009/7/3 est <electronix...@gmail.com>


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