Well it is really odd that there is no interaction btwn the engg
collegez n the startupzz......
it wud be gr8 if the startupz come to collegez lukin for talent n also
to encourage the young wanna b entrepreneurs and also to update them
wid the market.
i think it wil b gr8 if we can do something to connect the campuses n
the startupzz. the startupzz can also get some real gud talent.
i hope wid the support of all u ppl we can hav somethin like this.
if nybdy interested, i can arrange such a thing in ma college that is
PICT(Pune Institute of Computer Technology)
lookin forward to ur support
thankin you.....
Without appearing to be pedantic and old-school, it really is a good
idea to try and write out complete words rather than the somewhat
popular short-forms ie. SMS speak.
A fundamental problem that all companies (including start-ups) face is
the time and cost of training associates into the processes and
workflow. In case of startups, it is somewhat acute because of the
constraints of go-to-market and such. So, it is somewhat expected that
any interactions with the colleges and students would happen not at
the level of whether students are aware of startups, but at the level
of assessing whether they have the basic skills that make them
valuable associates within a company. That includes have a scientific
temper and an innate ability to be able to figure out the path to a
solution for a given problem.
If there is a way to generate that via interactions and meetings, it
should benefit both groups.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Harsain <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well it is really odd that there is no interaction btwn the engg
> collegez n the startupzz......
> it wud be gr8 if the startupz come to collegez lukin for talent n also
> to encourage the young wanna b entrepreneurs and also to update them
> wid the market.
> i think it wil b gr8 if we can do something to connect the campuses n
> the startupzz. the startupzz can also get some real gud talent.
> i hope wid the support of all u ppl we can hav somethin like this.
> if nybdy interested, i can arrange such a thing in ma college that is
> PICT(Pune Institute of Computer Technology)
> lookin forward to ur support
> thankin you.....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Harsain" <hars...@gmail.com> To: "PuneStartups" <punestartups@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [PuneStartups] Startups n freshers......
> Greetings.......
> Well it is really odd that there is no interaction btwn the engg > collegez n the startupzz...... > it wud be gr8 if the startupz come to collegez lukin for talent n also > to encourage the young wanna b entrepreneurs and also to update them > wid the market. > i think it wil b gr8 if we can do something to connect the campuses n > the startupzz. the startupzz can also get some real gud talent. > i hope wid the support of all u ppl we can hav somethin like this. > if nybdy interested, i can arrange such a thing in ma college that is > PICT(Pune Institute of Computer Technology) > lookin forward to ur support > thankin you.....
Please don't take it in the wrong sense; but you'd do us a great favor if try to post this mail in readable language instead of slang "lingo" that may be appropriate for college campus among your friends.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Without appearing to be pedantic and old-school, it really is a good > idea to try and write out complete words rather than the somewhat > popular short-forms ie. SMS speak.
I completely agree. It is difficult to read/comprehend (To me at least) It is OK with SMS/Twitter, but why in an email ?
first of all SORRY for typing in sms language.......
well sir being in college i feel that there are many students like me
who want to join a start up, as from our point of view we will get to
learn a lot and also we will be working in a field which we want and
not forced to work on a project as in big giants.
and there are few means to know about the startups and on what are
they working on.
So, what i was thinking is that we can invite the startups to
colleges, so that they can tell us about themselves and what
technologies they are working on, and even tell us about the working
of a startup.
This will reduce the gap between the startups and the freshers.
> Without appearing to be pedantic and old-school, it really is a good
> idea to try and write out complete words rather than the somewhat
> popular short-forms ie. SMS speak.
> A fundamental problem that all companies (including start-ups) face is
> the time and cost of training associates into the processes and
> workflow. In case of startups, it is somewhat acute because of the
> constraints of go-to-market and such. So, it is somewhat expected that
> any interactions with the colleges and students would happen not at
> the level of whether students are aware of startups, but at the level
> of assessing whether they have the basic skills that make them
> valuable associates within a company. That includes have a scientific
> temper and an innate ability to be able to figure out the path to a
> solution for a given problem.
> If there is a way to generate that via interactions and meetings, it
> should benefit both groups.
> ~sankarshan
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Harsain <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well it is really odd that there is no interaction btwn the engg
> > collegez n the startupzz......
> > it wud be gr8 if the startupz come to collegez lukin for talent n also
> > to encourage the young wanna b entrepreneurs and also to update them
> > wid the market.
> > i think it wil b gr8 if we can do something to connect the campuses n
> > the startupzz. the startupzz can also get some real gud talent.
> > i hope wid the support of all u ppl we can hav somethin like this.
> > if nybdy interested, i can arrange such a thing in ma college that is
> > PICT(Pune Institute of Computer Technology)
> > lookin forward to ur support
> > thankin you.....
> well sir being in college i feel that there are many students like me > who want to join a start up, as from our point of view we will get to > learn a lot and also we will be working in a field which we want and > not forced to work on a project as in big giants.
It is my belief that main focus (of placement cell) during campus hiring is on the "package", and number of offers made. (I have done several campus recruitments for my employer)
Student community needs to understand that while the work may be exciting, startups may not be able to pay you as much as "big giants" Startups do not need employees in big numbers either.
Just make sure you aren't joining startup with incorrect expectations.
I always prefer students/candidates finding me rather than me finding them.
Creating such gulf always make sure even if you are talking to few people,
you are talking to people who are like minded. So smart students will find
good startups to work on, on their own.
Sushrut
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Mandar Vaze <mandarv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harsain,
>> well sir being in college i feel that there are many students like me
>> who want to join a start up, as from our point of view we will get to
>> learn a lot and also we will be working in a field which we want and
>> not forced to work on a project as in big giants.
> It is my belief that main focus (of placement cell) during campus hiring is
> on the "package", and number of offers made. (I have done several campus
> recruitments for my employer)
> Student community needs to understand that while the work may be exciting,
> startups may not be able to pay you as much as "big giants"
> Startups do not need employees in big numbers either.
> Just make sure you aren't joining startup with incorrect expectations.
Sir with due respect you may be right but in my view it's not the case with
freshers. Freshers find it really difficult to find startups. I can assure
you this as me and my other batch mates interested in working with startups
are facing this problem. Thats why I came up with this discussion.You can
choose some good institutes and visit them only.
Or one more thing can be there you startups together can put or mail the
campuses your requirements and fix a common venue for meeting the freshers.
There you can interact with freshers tell them about your company, then if
they are interested and comfortable with your ideas they can approach you
individually.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Sushrut Bidwai <bidwai.sush...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I always prefer students/candidates finding me rather than me finding them.
> Creating such gulf always make sure even if you are talking to few people,
> you are talking to people who are like minded. So smart students will find
> good startups to work on, on their own.
> Sushrut
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Mandar Vaze <mandarv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Harsain,
>>> well sir being in college i feel that there are many students like me
>>> who want to join a start up, as from our point of view we will get to
>>> learn a lot and also we will be working in a field which we want and
>>> not forced to work on a project as in big giants.
>> It is my belief that main focus (of placement cell) during campus hiring
>> is on the "package", and number of offers made. (I have done several campus
>> recruitments for my employer)
>> Student community needs to understand that while the work may be exciting,
>> startups may not be able to pay you as much as "big giants"
>> Startups do not need employees in big numbers either.
>> Just make sure you aren't joining startup with incorrect expectations.
exactly sir this is what am i talking about. There is surely a gap between
the campuses and the startups.and the thing you said sir that what exactly
startups are and there working.
as i mentioned before also there are many students who want to really work
with startups but its just that they find the process of getting placed in
big giants easy as they directly come through the training and placement
department of the college.
Sir I surely like you to come and talk to us the final year students of
PICT, you will surely find some real good talent and who really want to join
a startup.
whereas our Training and placement department is concerned, their focus is
on getting students placed and if the students are ready to work on those
packages its up to the students.
So I would like you to come to campuses and give us more knowledge about the
startups.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Mandar Vaze <mandarv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harsain,
>> well sir being in college i feel that there are many students like me
>> who want to join a start up, as from our point of view we will get to
>> learn a lot and also we will be working in a field which we want and
>> not forced to work on a project as in big giants.
> It is my belief that main focus (of placement cell) during campus hiring is
> on the "package", and number of offers made. (I have done several campus
> recruitments for my employer)
> Student community needs to understand that while the work may be exciting,
> startups may not be able to pay you as much as "big giants"
> Startups do not need employees in big numbers either.
> Just make sure you aren't joining startup with incorrect expectations.
Hi Harsain,
I think we met some time back at CCD, PICT. See according to you there is a
gap between campus students and startups, I agree but what I believe is
startup is not for everyone. Especially freshers look out for brand names,
compensation rather than work ( which should be the prime focus in the start
of their career), as per my experience.
I shall be really glad if guys like you first figure out why you want to
join startup (all reasons you can think of).
Secondly, it will be great if you guys do your college projects along with
some startups with prime focus on work ( take my word its very easy to
followup with any startup rather than big giants), which will help you guys
to actually figure out how startups work and how can you provide value to
any startup.
Moreover, so many events are happening around in the city, come, meet ,
interact as much as you can!
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Harsain Singh <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> exactly sir this is what am i talking about. There is surely a gap between
> the campuses and the startups.and the thing you said sir that what exactly
> startups are and there working.
> as i mentioned before also there are many students who want to really work
> with startups but its just that they find the process of getting placed in
> big giants easy as they directly come through the training and placement
> department of the college.
> Sir I surely like you to come and talk to us the final year students of
> PICT, you will surely find some real good talent and who really want to join
> a startup.
> whereas our Training and placement department is concerned, their focus is
> on getting students placed and if the students are ready to work on those
> packages its up to the students.
> So I would like you to come to campuses and give us more knowledge about
> the startups.
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Mandar Vaze <mandarv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Harsain,
>>> well sir being in college i feel that there are many students like me
>>> who want to join a start up, as from our point of view we will get to
>>> learn a lot and also we will be working in a field which we want and
>>> not forced to work on a project as in big giants.
>> It is my belief that main focus (of placement cell) during campus hiring
>> is on the "package", and number of offers made. (I have done several campus
>> recruitments for my employer)
>> Student community needs to understand that while the work may be exciting,
>> startups may not be able to pay you as much as "big giants"
>> Startups do not need employees in big numbers either.
>> Just make sure you aren't joining startup with incorrect expectations.
Hie Sir, Well surely would love to meet you and let us discuss about this in detail. Your are very much correct that startups are not for everyone and thats what I want to make clear to myself and students like me that are making the correct choice according to ourselves will we be able to keep up the challenges. We know that the working of a startup is totally different its not that normal 10-5 job.
I also agree that most people want to go for big names but what i learnt from my seniors is that in big giants its not necessary that we will be working on what we enjoy working on and its also not sure that we will be working on projects or just sitting on bench. so rather wasting time its better we work on what we enjoy and learn a lot more than what we had in big giants.
You said right that there are lot of events happening but theres the gap we freshers don't actually come to know about it. This is what I am talking wont it be great if fresher who really want to work be involved in all this.If not the main events then we can have something like brainstorming sessions where we interact and talk about new innovative ideas and also come to know about the working of a startup. For these type of session we can have it in any college auditorium.
If you people give me a green signal I can start a new club or a group in my college for such type of sessions then we can have access to the auditorium of our college. But you are correct we will have to search for people who are really interested in working for startups.
hoping to meet you soon and I would have loved to come this sunday, but am going home. Surely will there for all further events.
Ya sir surely we all will subscribe to these I have already but most of the time due to clash with college activities am unable to attend though I always try to.I would also request you people to come to my college once and give a presentation on startups and everything related to it. If you agree I will talk to my placement incharge and get things organized.
Are Startups suddenly getting more attractive considering the upending of
the mainstream job market? Perhaps you could give us more clarity on what
the approach and attitude is towards (mainstream and startup) placements
this year.
I believe Entrip (Nick) and Freeman have already been to PICT. Did you
attend their talk? I believe it was on RoR.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Harsain Singh <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ya sir surely we all will subscribe to these I have already but most of the
> time due to clash with college activities am unable to attend though I
> always try to.I would also request you people to come to my college once
> and give a presentation on startups and everything related to it. If you
> agree I will talk to my placement incharge and get things organized.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Santosh Dawara <sdaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Harsain,
> Great to have you on board.
> Are Startups suddenly getting more attractive considering the upending of
> the mainstream job market? Perhaps you could give us more clarity on what
> the approach and attitude is towards (mainstream and startup) placements
> this year.
> I believe Entrip (Nick) and Freeman have already been to PICT. Did you
> attend their talk? I believe it was on RoR.
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Harsain Singh <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ya sir surely we all will subscribe to these I have already but most of
>> the time due to clash with college activities am unable to attend though I
>> always try to.I would also request you people to come to my college once
>> and give a presentation on startups and everything related to it. If you
>> agree I will talk to my placement incharge and get things organized.
Hie Sir, Well ya Freeman and Nick Adams came to PICT I attended there talk and am also doing a project mentored by Nick Adams. You can say after there talk only we actually came to know that startups are better for working, and few of my seniors are into startups one is in Pune only and the other is in Banglore. So after talking to them and knowing about there work I got more and more interested into it. I must say media is also concentrating more on startups and then punetech and POCC last year so there is a lot of publicity.... well college always thinks of getting maximum students placed and only bug giants are ready to take so many. it also depends on the placement coordinator of the college whether they allow or invite the startups....well this year I am the student coordinator and I am insisting on getting startups involved. talking about students point of view as our indian culture parents always force and the main aim of students is to get placed. most of the students even after getting placed in a firm doest know what they are working on which technology they are using. But its not the thinking of all the students there are some who really want to work on something which interests them and are ready to learn.
That would be great sir....I will surely look forward to having such sessions....will talk to the tnp department of my college and the IEEE Counsellor about it.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Harsain Singh <hars...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir with due respect you may be right but in my view it's not the case with > freshers. Freshers find it really difficult to find startups. I can assure > you this as me and my other batch mates interested in working with startups > are facing this problem. Thats why I came up with this discussion. > You can choose some good institutes and visit them only. > Or one more thing can be there you startups together can put or mail the > campuses your requirements and fix a common venue for meeting the freshers. > There you can interact with freshers tell them about your company, then if > they are interested and comfortable with your ideas they can approach you > individually.
At some point late last year, I did write a triad of mails to a LUG list:
It was aimed to answer queries around the FOSS space. However, the underlying theme is constant. The students ought to become more responsible and accountable for their own career development by taking care to groom themselves technically. It is not difficult to do so and, it is possible within the limits provided by the curricula.
-- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
I have been following this thread very closely and it is interesting to see
viewpoints and poor Harsain trying to convince this group. I think we must
be open minded and try to embrace the fact that sometimes talent comes from
the most unexpected places. I think we need to respect the fact that a
"startup" or an entrepreneur doesnt need to be in the IT industry and by
encouraging young people you my find yourself inspiring a tata or a birla
rather than a google or a microsoft.
Also I believe it has to be the duty of an entrepreneur to go seeking for
knowledge, I will encourage Harsain to create a group of likeminded students
and try to brainstorm and discuss the pros and cons of joining startups and
bigger companies. That is the best way you can get the information you need.
About recruiting students into internet startups, I think there is no better
talent than a fresh student because of the out of box thinking they bring to
the company, but you must understand that getting into a startup is only
possible if you are awesome at what you do and passionate about the idea
that you are working for.
Vineet
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Harsain Singh <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sir with due respect you may be right but in my view it's not the case
> with
> > freshers. Freshers find it really difficult to find startups. I can
> assure
> > you this as me and my other batch mates interested in working with
> startups
> > are facing this problem. Thats why I came up with this discussion.
> > You can choose some good institutes and visit them only.
> > Or one more thing can be there you startups together can put or mail the
> > campuses your requirements and fix a common venue for meeting the
> freshers.
> > There you can interact with freshers tell them about your company, then
> if
> > they are interested and comfortable with your ideas they can approach you
> > individually.
> At some point late last year, I did write a triad of mails to a LUG list:
> It was aimed to answer queries around the FOSS space. However, the
> underlying theme is constant. The students ought to become more
> responsible and accountable for their own career development by taking
> care to groom themselves technically. It is not difficult to do so
> and, it is possible within the limits provided by the curricula.
> --
> You see things; and you say 'Why?';
> But I dream things that never were;
> and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
> That will be great! I am sure the community will pitch in to try to help you > out in all possible ways.
Harsain, I think starting a POCC chapter in your college is a great idea. Let us start discussing the details of what to do, how and when in a separate mailing list. I have created the POCC-students mailing list for this purpose. http://groups.google.com/group/pocc-students Please join that, and encourage all interested students to join. We can continue this discussion there.
Hi All, The POCC-students mailing list is intended for discussions related to increasing interactions between students of Pune colleges and startups of Pune. All those interested in this issue, please join that mailing list (http://groups.google.com/group/pocc-students).
This is an important issue - we do need students to be more aware of why startups are an interesting avenue to consider, and Pune startups do need more visibility. POCC has started doing this, but I think having more focused efforts (like POCC student chapters - run by the students with help from POCC) would be a great thing.
I further suggest that detailed discussions about students + POCC should happen over there and occasionally summaries of the discussion, or important announcements may be posted on this list.
Harsain how many of your friends from PICT are actually doing projects
under Nick, and what are the excuses of those who are not doing?
If you go to techstart.in you will find more mentors.. but i don't
think many of your friends bothered to look their.
Lastly How many students have attended events like barcamp, drupalcamp
or know about RubyFun day etc.. that have happened or happening in
city, and please don't tell me you did not know('cause that shows you
are not interested in such events) because students from Ahmadnagar
knew ?
If you could answer these questions sucessfully you will know why
startup community does not bother with general students, but loves to
work with students who find them(to quote Sushrut Bidwai ).
my two cents.
--Amit
On Feb 11, 7:23 am, Vineet Devaiah <vina...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been following this thread very closely and it is interesting to see
> viewpoints and poor Harsain trying to convince this group. I think we must
> be open minded and try to embrace the fact that sometimes talent comes from
> the most unexpected places. I think we need to respect the fact that a
> "startup" or an entrepreneur doesnt need to be in the IT industry and by
> encouraging young people you my find yourself inspiring a tata or a birla
> rather than a google or a microsoft.
> Also I believe it has to be the duty of an entrepreneur to go seeking for
> knowledge, I will encourage Harsain to create a group of likeminded students
> and try to brainstorm and discuss the pros and cons of joining startups and
> bigger companies. That is the best way you can get the information you need.
> About recruiting students into internet startups, I think there is no better
> talent than a fresh student because of the out of box thinking they bring to
> the company, but you must understand that getting into a startup is only
> possible if you are awesome at what you do and passionate about the idea
> that you are working for.
> Vineet
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Harsain Singh <hars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Sir with due respect you may be right but in my view it's not the case
> > with
> > > freshers. Freshers find it really difficult to find startups. I can
> > assure
> > > you this as me and my other batch mates interested in working with
> > startups
> > > are facing this problem. Thats why I came up with this discussion.
> > > You can choose some good institutes and visit them only.
> > > Or one more thing can be there you startups together can put or mail the
> > > campuses your requirements and fix a common venue for meeting the
> > freshers.
> > > There you can interact with freshers tell them about your company, then
> > if
> > > they are interested and comfortable with your ideas they can approach you
> > > individually.
> > At some point late last year, I did write a triad of mails to a LUG list:
> > It was aimed to answer queries around the FOSS space. However, the
> > underlying theme is constant. The students ought to become more
> > responsible and accountable for their own career development by taking
> > care to groom themselves technically. It is not difficult to do so
> > and, it is possible within the limits provided by the curricula.
> > --
> > You see things; and you say 'Why?';
> > But I dream things that never were;
> > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
Folks who have driving this initiative had approached PICT, and the feeling was PICT students/teachers consider themselves "elite".
Others on this thread have also questioned the motives behind this sudden interests in startups. Startups needs to be careful. When economy is revived (next 6-7 months ?) and "big giants" start hiring again, will these students "stay" with you ? Can you afford losing the employees in such a small time (Possibly you are spending first few months just grooming them, w/o direct ROI)
I still think working with startups on Projects is better for both students as well as startups.
I agree. There is a need to have this debate in a more focussed forum on
pocc-students mailing list. At present, any idea how many students are there
on this list?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Navin Kabra <navin.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That will be great! I am sure the community will pitch in to try to help
> you
> > out in all possible ways.
> Harsain,
> I think starting a POCC chapter in your college is a great idea.
> Let us start discussing the details of what to do, how and when in a
> separate mailing list.
> I have created the POCC-students mailing list for this purpose.
> http://groups.google.com/group/pocc-students > Please join that, and encourage all interested students to join.
> We can continue this discussion there.
> Hi All,
> The POCC-students mailing list is intended for discussions related to
> increasing interactions between students of Pune colleges and startups
> of Pune. All those interested in this issue, please join that mailing
> list (http://groups.google.com/group/pocc-students).
> This is an important issue - we do need students to be more aware of
> why startups are an interesting avenue to consider, and Pune startups
> do need more visibility. POCC has started doing this, but I think
> having more focused efforts (like POCC student chapters - run by the
> students with help from POCC) would be a great thing.
> I further suggest that detailed discussions about students + POCC
> should happen over there and occasionally summaries of the discussion,
> or important announcements may be posted on this list.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Mandar Vaze <mandarv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Others on this thread have also questioned the motives behind this sudden > interests in startups. > Startups needs to be careful. When economy is revived (next 6-7 months ?) > and "big giants" start hiring again, will these students "stay" with you ? > Can you afford losing the employees in such a small time (Possibly you are > spending first few months just grooming them, w/o direct ROI)
Either way, the students need to work to become more visible and demonstrate proficiency, competency and skills. And, that does not translate to "we will have a seminar+workshop at our college". Sure there are the good folks on techstart.in as well as punetech, but it takes two to tango and, the students have to start becoming a bit more responsible in how to take opportunities to shape their careers.
~s
-- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Vineet Devaiah <vina...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have been following this thread very closely and it is interesting to see > viewpoints and poor Harsain trying to convince this group. I think we must > be open minded and try to embrace the fact that sometimes talent comes from > the most unexpected places. I think we need to respect the fact that a > "startup" or an entrepreneur doesnt need to be in the IT industry and by > encouraging young people you my find yourself inspiring a tata or a birla > rather than a google or a microsoft.
"Talent comes from the most unexpected places" is a phrase I liked a lot. And, to spot the talent there have to be talent scouts or, tools/processes to observe how they are shaping up. Talent scouting is an intensive affair, while tools and processes to demonstrate talent are somewhat more widely available.
The strangest thing I see is given that there are far more of the *Camps happening and, interactions at UserGroups and other technology/non-technology forums, why aren't the students confident of their own abilities to show case what they can do ? It should be a selfish desire to excel in the so-called rat_race that should compel them to look into every opportunity they see or hear about.
For example, a student lands up at a StartUp with a fairly impressive resume, no code portfolio that you can look at or, check out and test - how much time will you spend in grooming them (assuming you do hire them) and then moulding them into a better developer ? Extrapolate that, how many times will you take that risk ?
-- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
