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It really takes minute amounts of mutagenic or tetragenic oil-chemicals to
make weirdo shrimp and killifish. Transfer through consumption requires
higher levels, although the levels in the creatures are cause for concern.
And no one seems to be talking about metals.
I like this messaging strategy, although LDWF is using FDA standards that I
/ NRDC thinks are too lax. LDWF has to both ensure safety and sell shrimp,
so their institutional bias is interesting.
LDWF outlines "how safe is safe"
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/news/33720
Louisiana Seafood Still Safe to Eat; Average Consumer Could Eat 63 lbs of
Louisiana Shrimp, Each Day for 5 Years
An "Average" person is 140 pounds, i think.
An average person is not pregnant, nor a child themselves.
An average Gulf Coast resident can eat a lot of shrimp, yessir.
And an average person living on the bayou cooks those shrimp whole--when a
lot of the testing is done on the tails only. Many of the metabolites of
oil wind up in the colon and fatty tissues.
People on the bayou live on the water, and are the same people, often, who
worked the VOO program. So coastal communities have multiple routes of
exposure.
This is the basis of the NRDC critique
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.1103507
and here is Miriam writing about it
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/mrotkinellman/bp_oil_disaster_two_years_late.html
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/mrotkinellman/more_gulf_seafood_testing_need.html
On the Bayou, shrimp isn't just a food, it's a currency. so the
statistically convenient person is not a reality. The statistically
convenient person is someone who lives in a state where we're exporting
shrimp into.
Dr. Patricia Williams at UNO (toxicologist) is also critical of the state
testing methods. She is very concerned about heavy metals, and that
there's not any or much testing for heavy metals. Arsenic, in her mind, is
the one she would pick. Arsenic can be detected via urine sample. It's
problematic, in my mind--Arsenic is in a lot of things.
She is silenced by the looming trial. But someone recorded her speaking
and uploaded it to neworleans.indymedia.org.
As someone who receives gross pictures of local sea creatures every week, i
am now wary of shrimp boils, but i still eat shrimp in restaurants and
sandwiches (when it's been prepared or fried). I'm also more than 150
pounds and not going to bear a child. I'm probably full of mercury
already.
I also live in the city. I grew up down here. I eat gulf shrimp from
restaurants several times a week. I did my master's in shrimp fisheries;
so, really, if i stop eating shrimp, the terrorists have won. going down
with the ship.
so [watch this space]! I guess. ha.
Not Seafood, but Health related, is something that Public Labs Spectral
people would be interested in--Surfrider's ongoing attempts to detect
oil/Corexit with UV lamps.
Here's that report. the pictures are kinda freaky, because apparently the
UV is making dispersed oil fluoresce from within people's skin (who wants
to convince me it's fake? please?)
Mother Jones.
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/04/microbes-arent-eating-oil-gulf-beaches-thanks-corexit-dispersant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lyfdC3_oV4&feature=youtu.be
From Surfrider:
http://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/monitoring-gulf-beaches-for-oil-and-dispersants
http://emeraldcoast.surfrider.org/2012/04/surfrider
-foundation-oil-study-reports-available-for-download/
"1. The data collected confirms that Corexit dispersant mixed with crude
oil
creates a discernible fluorescent signature when illuminated by 370nm
wavelength (UV) light.
2. The use of Corexit as a dispersant has inhibited the microbial
degradation of
hydrocarbons in the crude oil and has allowed Polycyclic Aromatic
Hydrocarbons (PAH) concentration levels to consistently exhibit high
toxicity
levels in excess of the carcinogenic exposure level specified by NIH and
OSHA."
http://emeraldcoast.surfrider
.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/FindingsReleaseFinal.pdf
Scott
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Adam Griffith <adamdgriff...@gmail.com>wrote:
> The FDA article disagrees. Interesting that a group with an interest in
> the economy would rule that the fish are safe to eat...
>
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gulf-seafood-safe-oil-spill-concerns-fda-article-1.1064752
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Gregory Foster <gfos...@entersection.org>wrote:
>
>> Passing along in relation to Public Labs' and the Louisiana Bucket
>> Brigade <http://labucketbrigade.org/>'s work mapping the spill<http://publiclaboratory.org/place/gulf-coast>
>> .
>>
>> Al Jazeera (Apr 18) - "Gulf seafood deformities alarm scientists" by
>> @DahrJamail <http://twitter.com/DahrJamail>
>> http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/04/201241682318260912.html
>>
>> We all knew it would be bad, but that's a rough read.
>> gf
>>
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>> @gregoryfoster <> http://entersection.com/
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<div>It really takes minute amounts of mutagenic or tetragenic oil-chemical=
s to make weirdo shrimp and killifish. =A0Transfer through consumption requ=
ires higher levels, although the levels in the creatures are cause for conc=
ern.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And no one seems to be talking about metals.=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div>I like this messaging strategy, although LDWF is using FDA sta=
ndards that I / NRDC thinks are too lax. =A0LDWF has to both ensure safety =
and sell shrimp, so their institutional bias is interesting.<div>
<br></div><div>LDWF outlines "how safe is safe"<div><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/news/33720">http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/news/33=
720</a>=A0</div><div><h1 class=3D"title" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-rig=
ht:0px;margin-bottom:5px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:15px=
;padding-bottom:2px;padding-left:15px;line-height:1.3em;text-shadow:rgb(170=
,170,170) 1px 1px 1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;bor=
der-bottom-color:rgb(204,204,204);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans;backgrou=
nd-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Louisiana Seafood Still Safe to Eat; Average Consumer Could Eat 63 lbs of L=
ouisiana Shrimp, Each Day for 5 Years</h1></div><div><br></div><div>An &quo=
t;Average" person is 140 pounds, i think. =A0</div><div>An average per=
son is not pregnant, nor a child themselves. =A0</div>
<div>An average Gulf Coast resident can eat a lot of shrimp, yessir. =A0</d=
iv><div>And an average person living on the bayou cooks those shrimp whole-=
-when a lot of the testing is done on the tails only. =A0Many of the metabo=
lites of oil wind up in the colon and fatty tissues.=A0</div>
<div>People on the bayou live on the water, and are the same people, often,=
who worked the VOO program. So coastal communities have multiple routes of=
exposure.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>This is the basis of the NRDC critiq=
ue</div>
<div><div><a href=3D"http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action=
?articleURI=3Dinfo%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.1103507">http://ehp03.niehs.nih.go=
v/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=3Dinfo%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.11035=
07</a></div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div>and here is Miriam writi=
ng about it</div><div><a href=3D"http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/mrotkine=
llman/bp_oil_disaster_two_years_late.html">http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blog=
s/mrotkinellman/bp_oil_disaster_two_years_late.html</a>
</div><div><a href=3D"http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/mrotkinellman/more_=
gulf_seafood_testing_need.html">http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/mrotkinel=
lman/more_gulf_seafood_testing_need.html</a>
</div><div><br></div><div>On the Bayou, shrimp isn't just a food, it=
9;s a currency. =A0so the statistically convenient person is not a reality.=
=A0The statistically convenient person is someone who lives in a state whe=
re we're exporting shrimp into. =A0 =A0=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dr. Patricia Williams at UNO (toxicologist) is also cri=
tical of the state testing methods. =A0She is very concerned about heavy me=
tals, and that there's not any or much testing for heavy metals. =A0Ars=
enic, in her mind, is the one she would pick. Arsenic can be detected via u=
rine sample. =A0It's problematic, in my mind--Arsenic is in a lot of th=
ings.</div>
<div>She is silenced by the looming trial. =A0 But someone recorded her spe=
aking and uploaded it to <a href=3D"http://neworleans.indymedia.org">neworl=
eans.indymedia.org</a>. =A0</div><div><br></div><div>As someone who receive=
s gross pictures of local sea creatures every week, i am now wary of shrimp=
boils, but i still eat shrimp in restaurants and sandwiches (when it's=
been prepared or fried). =A0I'm also more than 150 pounds and not goin=
g to bear a child. =A0I'm probably full of mercury already. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>I also live in the city. =A0I grew up down here. =A0I e=
at gulf shrimp from restaurants several times a week. =A0I did my master=
9;s in shrimp fisheries; so, really, if i stop eating shrimp, the terrorist=
s have won. =A0going down with the ship.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>so [watch this space]! I guess. ha.=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>Not Seafood, but Health related, is something that Public Labs Spe=
ctral people would be interested in--Surfrider's ongoing attempts to de=
tect oil/Corexit with UV lamps.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here's that report. =A0the pictures are kinda freak=
y, because apparently the UV is making dispersed oil fluoresce from within =
people's skin (who wants to convince me it's fake? =A0please?)</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>Mother Jones.</div><div><a href=3D"http://motherjones.c=
om/blue-marble/2012/04/microbes-arent-eating-oil-gulf-beaches-thanks-corexi=
t-dispersant">http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/04/microbes-arent-eat=
ing-oil-gulf-beaches-thanks-corexit-dispersant</a>
</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6lyfdC3_oV4&feat=
ure=3Dyoutu.be">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6lyfdC3_oV4&feature=3D=
youtu.be</a></div><div><br></div><div>From Surfrider:</div><div><a href=3D"=
http://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/monitoring-gulf-beaches-for-oil=
-and-dispersants">http://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/monitoring-gu=
lf-beaches-for-oil-and-dispersants</a>
</div><div><a href=3D"http://emeraldcoast.surfrider.org/2012/04/surfrider-f=
oundation-oil-study-reports-available-for-download/" target=3D"_blank" styl=
e>http://emeraldcoast.<span class=3D"il" style=3D"background-image:initial;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,204);color:rgb(34,34,34);background-repeat:ini=
tial initial">surfrider</span>.org/2012/04/<span class=3D"il" style=3D"back=
ground-image:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);color:rgb(34,34,34);=
background-repeat:initial initial">surfrider</span>-foundation-oil-study-re=
ports-available-for-download/</a><span style>=A0</span></div>
<div><div style><br></div><div style>"1. The data collected confirms t=
hat Corexit dispersant mixed with crude oil=A0</div><div style>creates a di=
scernible fluorescent signature when illuminated by 370nm=A0</div><div styl=
e>
wavelength (UV) light.</div><div style><br></div><div style>2. The use of C=
orexit as a dispersant has inhibited the microbial degradation of=A0</div><=
div style>hydrocarbons in the crude oil and has allowed Polycyclic Aromatic=
=A0</div>
<div style>Hydrocarbons (PAH) concentration levels to consistently exhibit =
high toxicity=A0</div><div style>levels in excess of the carcinogenic expos=
ure level specified by NIH and=A0</div><div style>OSHA."</div><div sty=
le>
<br></div><div style><a href=3D"http://emeraldcoast.surfrider.org/wp-conten=
t/uploads/2012/04/FindingsReleaseFinal.pdf" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(17,85,204)">http://emeraldcoast.<span class=3D"il" style=3D"backgroun=
d-image:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);color:rgb(34,34,34);backg=
round-repeat:initial initial">surfrider</span>.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/=
04/FindingsReleaseFinal.pdf</a>=A0</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><div>Scott</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Adam Griffith <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:adamdgriff...@gmail.com">adamdgriff...@gmail.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The FDA article disagrees.=A0 Interesting th=
at a group with an interest in the economy would rule that the fish are saf=
e to eat...<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gulf-seafood-safe-o=
il-spill-concerns-fda-article-1.1064752" target=3D"_blank">http://www.nydai=
lynews.com/news/national/gulf-seafood-safe-oil-spill-concerns-fda-article-1=
.1064752</a><div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Gregory=
Foster <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gfos...@entersection.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">gfos...@entersection.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
Passing along in relation to Public Labs' and the <a href=3D"http:/=
/labucketbrigade.org/" target=3D"_blank">Louisiana Bucket Brigade</a>'s
work <a href=3D"http://publiclaboratory.org/place/gulf-coast" target=3D=
"_blank">mapping
the spill</a>.<br>
<br>
Al Jazeera (Apr 18) - "Gulf seafood deformities alarm scientists&q=
uot; by
<a href=3D"http://twitter.com/DahrJamail" target=3D"_blank">@DahrJamail=
</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/04/2012416823=
18260912.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/=
2012/04/201241682318260912.html</a><br>
<br>
We all knew it would be bad, but that's a rough read.<span><font co=
lor=3D"#888888"><br>
gf<br>
<pre cols=3D"72">--=20
Gregory Foster || <a href=3D"mailto:gfos...@entersection.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gfos...@entersection.org</a>
@gregoryfoster <> <a href=3D"http://entersection.com/" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://entersection.com/</a></pre>
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