This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade Institute bus stop on FC road.
It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as under -
Earlier scenario -
1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
With busbay plan - 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main traffic flow. 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical barrier in parking bay
4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left half of the road to access the busbay
5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait on road and required to stand at the bus stop
6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient and safe even for senior citizens
7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and during trails).
It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods. Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
Regards
Prashant Inamdar
Convenor
Pedestrians FIRST
thanks Prashant
It is v good. We have suggested something similar in Mumbai but they are
afraid
but it is a sound design and concept .
and before going into BRTS , it is important that we should have some sense
of order on the roads for buses, cars and rikshaws and passengers
very good idea
we will definitely use it
ashok datar
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 1:36 PM, SVK <svkonline1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is good. Should be implemented at many other stops in Pune.
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> Dear All,
> *Subject : Busbay plan*
> **
> This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
> Institute bus stop on FC road.
> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops
> but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious
> safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on
> road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout
> drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with
> roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried
> out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had
> suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are
> pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July
> morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies
> concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as
> under -
> *Earlier scenario* -
> 1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
> 2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
> 3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
> 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
> 5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
> 6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
> 7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
> *With busbay plan* -
> 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
> 2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
> traffic flow.
> 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
> barrier in parking bay
> 4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left
> half of the road to access the busbay
> 5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait
> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
> 6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient
> and safe even for senior citizens
> 7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
> 8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
> (Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
> Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
> during trails).
> It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway
> lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and
> after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking
> in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and
> exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to
> obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in
> the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the
> busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not
> have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length
> including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can
> comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving.
> Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is
> quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
> Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in
> place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
> We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In
> our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good
> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
> We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
> Regards
> Prashant Inamdar
> Convenor
> Pedestrians FIRST
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Very ingenious! An absolutely low-cost and effective experiment!!
In this design, there is no need to "reduce" width of the footpath like in
a classical bus bay design (anyway, there isn't much width to talk about at
this place!). Effectively, what you have achieved, is to systematically
carve out a longer piece of the "parking pie" on either side of the bus
stop, using only the road markings and mobile separators - without the need
for any permanent construction (at least in a prototype).
Once the prototype is proved to be working, further improvements could be
undertaken (e.g. permanent flexible bars in place of separators to prevent
possibility of theft or a forced shifting of the separators.)
Caution: As far as I understand, this design will work only where there is
an existing parking lane on either side of the bus-stop.
best regards,
Anil Risbud
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net
> Dear All,
> *Subject : Busbay plan*
> **
> This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
> Institute bus stop on FC road.
> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops
> but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious
> safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on
> road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout
> drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with
> roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried
> out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had
> suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are
> pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July
> morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies
> concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as
> under -
> *Earlier scenario* -
> 1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
> 2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
> 3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
> 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
> 5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
> 6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
> 7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
> *With busbay plan* -
> 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
> 2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
> traffic flow.
> 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
> barrier in parking bay
> 4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left
> half of the road to access the busbay
> 5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait
> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
> 6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient
> and safe even for senior citizens
> 7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
> 8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
> (Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
> Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
> during trails).
> It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway
> lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and
> after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking
> in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and
> exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to
> obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in
> the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the
> busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not
> have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length
> including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can
> comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving.
> Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is
> quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
> Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in
> place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
> We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In
> our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good
> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
> We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
> Regards
> Prashant Inamdar
> Convenor
> Pedestrians FIRST
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Yes you are right, the design is primarily for roads with curbside parking. Some of the car parking area is reclaimed for busbay, in the present case parking slot for 3 cars on each side. Thus the immense gain for hundreds of buses, thousands of bus commuters as also for traffic has been achieved by reducing parking for six carsonly.
It could be possible to adopt the design even for road without parking but subject to feasibility on case to case basis.
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Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4033] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
Dear Prashant,
Very ingenious! An absolutely low-cost and effective experiment!!
In this design, there is no need to "reduce" width of the footpath like in a classical bus bay design (anyway, there isn't much width to talk about at this place!). Effectively, what you have achieved, is to systematically carve out a longer piece of the "parking pie" on either side of the bus stop, using only the road markings and mobile separators - without the need for any permanent construction (at least in a prototype).
Once the prototype is proved to be working, further improvements could be undertaken (e.g. permanent flexible bars in place of separators to prevent possibility of theft or a forced shifting of the separators.)
Caution: As far as I understand, this design will work only where there is an existing parking lane on either side of the bus-stop.
best regards,
Anil Risbud
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Subject : Busbay plan
This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade Institute bus stop on FC road.
It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as under -
Earlier scenario -
1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
With busbay plan - 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main traffic flow. 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical barrier in parking bay
4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left half of the road to access the busbay
5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait on road and required to stand at the bus stop
6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient and safe even for senior citizens
7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and during trails).
It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods. Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
Regards
Prashant Inamdar
Convenor
Pedestrians FIRST
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Yes the plan is working well and we have got very positive feedback both from Traffic Police and PMPML. Intend to replicate it at some other critical locations.
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Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4031] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
Prashant,
I saw this first hand yesterday at FC Road. Looked great!
Amit
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Subject : Busbay plan
This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade Institute bus stop on FC road.
It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as under -
Earlier scenario -
1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
With busbay plan - 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main traffic flow. 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical barrier in parking bay
4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left half of the road to access the busbay
5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait on road and required to stand at the bus stop
6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient and safe even for senior citizens
7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and during trails).
It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods. Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
Regards
Prashant Inamdar
Convenor
Pedestrians FIRST
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Great work Prashant,
Actually the PMPML should be doing such arrangements for better movement of
buses but as we know they are severely handicapped by their own problems
and the other authorities like PMC and the State Govt are content to let
the Public Transport continue going downhill.
Such a shame for a city described even by the Govt as the cultural capital
of Maharashtra. So much for the way say one thing and do nothing to
improve our essential service.
--
Sujit
On Monday, July 16, 2012, Prashant Inamdar wrote:
> **
> Dear All,
> *Subject : Busbay plan*
> **
> This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
> Institute bus stop on FC road.
> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops
> but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious
> safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on
> road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout
> drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with
> roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried
> out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had
> suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are
> pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July
> morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies
> concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as
> under -
> *Earlier scenario* -
> 1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
> 2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
> 3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
> 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
> 5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
> 6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
> 7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
> *With busbay plan* -
> 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
> 2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
> traffic flow.
> 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
> barrier in parking bay
> 4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left
> half of the road to access the busbay
> 5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait
> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
> 6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient
> and safe even for senior citizens
> 7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
> 8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
> (Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
> Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
> during trails).
> It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway
> lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and
> after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking
> in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and
> exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to
> obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in
> the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the
> busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not
> have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length
> including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can
> comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving.
> Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is
> quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
> Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in
> place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
> We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In
> our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good
> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
> We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
> Regards
> Prashant Inamdar
> Convenor
> Pedestrians FIRST
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> Great work Prashant,
> Actually the PMPML should be doing such arrangements for better movement
> of buses but as we know they are severely handicapped by their own problems
> and the other authorities like PMC and the State Govt are content to let
> the Public Transport continue going downhill.
> Such a shame for a city described even by the Govt as the cultural capital
> of Maharashtra. So much for the way say one thing and do nothing to
> improve our essential service.
> --
> Sujit
> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Prashant Inamdar wrote:
>> **
>> Dear All,
>> *Subject : Busbay plan*
>> **
>> This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
>> Institute bus stop on FC road.
>> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus
>> stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and
>> serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down.
>> Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with
>> layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main
>> roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the
>> plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are being
>> faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College
>> road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on
>> 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation of all
>> agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good
>> results as under -
>> *Earlier scenario* -
>> 1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
>> 2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
>> 3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
>> 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
>> 5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
>> 6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
>> 7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
>> *With busbay plan* -
>> 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
>> 2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
>> traffic flow.
>> 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
>> barrier in parking bay
>> 4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the
>> left half of the road to access the busbay
>> 5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait
>> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
>> 6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient
>> and safe even for senior citizens
>> 7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
>> 8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
>> (Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
>> Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
>> during trails).
>> It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
>> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway
>> lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and
>> after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking
>> in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and
>> exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to
>> obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in
>> the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the
>> busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not
>> have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length
>> including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can
>> comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving.
>> Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is
>> quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
>> Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in
>> place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
>> We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
>> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In
>> our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good
>> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
>> We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
>> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
>> Regards
>> Prashant Inamdar
>> Convenor
>> Pedestrians FIRST
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A query: Do the cops remove the barricades and put them back every day? Because barricade-based improvements, esp when cops/ PMC staff has to spend some manpower every day (by design) have never sustained in Pune - the Laxmi Rd ped plaza is an example.
Of course, I will be glad if they do what they are doing tirelessly, till people get in the habit :)
regards,
- Harshad.
________________________________ From: Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net> To: PTTF General <pttfgen@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4035] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
Yes the plan is working well and we have got very positive feedback both from Traffic Police and PMPML. Intend to replicate it at some other critical locations.
----- Original Message ----- >From: Amit Paranjape >To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36 PM >Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4031] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
>Prashant,
>I saw this first hand yesterday at FC Road. Looked great!
>> >> >>Dear All, >>Subject : Busbay plan >> >>This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade Institute bus stop on FC road. >> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as under - >> >>Earlier scenario - >>1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available >>2) Parking adjacent to bus stop >>3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop >>4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus >>5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side >>6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by >>7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow >> >>With busbay plan - >>1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop >>2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main traffic flow. >>3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical barrier in parking bay >>4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left half of the road to access the busbay >>5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait on road and required to stand at the bus stop >>6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient and safe even for senior citizens >>7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway >>8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay >>(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay) >> >>Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and during trails). >> >>It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is
quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods. Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
>> >>We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC. >> >>We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops. >> >>RegardsPrashant Inamdar >>Convenor >>Pedestrians FIRST-- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the
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This initiative is helpful first step, but as Harshad points out, it
has to become rooted in the psyche and become a habit. The barriers
ought to be present mentally with minimal physical grade separation
(these metal barriers are a serious hazard) - usually this is done by
applying red tarmac to bays and bus lanes.
The other thing which we on this group understand but not the lot out
there is that this design can't be scaled to all roads because the
width is insufficient. There is a common fantasy that in the West
every bus stop has a bus bay and this allows rest of the traffic to
flow smoothly - the extension of this in India is - buses should not
be used on roads where a bus bay can't be introduced and the attitude
is ''do what you want, just don't let the bus obstruct me when I am
behind it (i.e. we serve the motorised vehicles). Thus, unless this
leads to next logical step of introducing bus lanes the exercise will
have limited value on enhancing PT per se, as by it self, the
impression is that the red box has been kicked out of my way.
A
On 18/07/2012, Harshad Abhyankar <a_hars...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A query: Do the cops remove the barricades and put them back every day?
> Because barricade-based improvements, esp when cops/ PMC staff has to spend
> some manpower every day (by design) have never sustained in Pune - the Laxmi
> Rd ped plaza is an example.
> Of course, I will be glad if they do what they are doing tirelessly, till
> people get in the habit :)
> regards,
> - Harshad.
> ________________________________
> From: Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net>
> To: PTTF General <pttfgen@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4035] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst.
> bus stop on FC road)
> Yes the plan is working well and we have got
> very positive feedback both from Traffic Police and PMPML. Intend to
> replicate
> it at some other critical locations.
> Regards
> Prashant Inamdar
> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Amit Paranjape
>>To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4031] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst.
>> bus stop on FC road)
>>Prashant,
>>I saw this first hand yesterday at FC Road. Looked great!
>>>This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
>>> Institute bus stop on FC road.
>>> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus
>>> stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and
>>> serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down.
>>> Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with
>>> layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main
>>> roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the
>>> plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are
>>> being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson
>>> College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have
>>> begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation
>>> of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have
>>> yielded good results as under -
>>>Earlier scenario -
>>>1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
>>>2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
>>>3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
>>>4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
>>>5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
>>>6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
>>>7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
>>>With busbay plan -
>>>1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
>>>2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
>>> traffic flow.
>>>3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
>>> barrier in parking bay
>>>4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the
>>> left half of the road to access the busbay
>>>5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait
>>> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
>>>6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient
>>> and safe even for senior citizens
>>>7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
>>>8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
>>>(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
>>>Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
>>> during trails).
>>>It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
>>> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing
>>> carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed
>>> before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created
>>> but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in
>>> the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or
>>> other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any
>>> rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit
>>> immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses
>>> being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay
>>> area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit
>>> path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with
>>> one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the
>>> busbay area at the same time which is
> quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
> Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in
> place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
>>>We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
>>> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days.
>>> In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good
>>> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
>>>We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
>>> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
>>>RegardsPrashant Inamdar
>>>Convenor
>>>Pedestrians FIRST--
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Instead of creating bus bays, if the bus stop is pulled ahead into the
"parking lane", the bus will not have to pull in and out, passengers won't
have to move forward to be able to see the incoming bus from a distance,
parking - autorickshaws specifically - can be allowed almost to the edge of
the bus stop and the footpath / cycle track remains unobstructed. All it
does it take away about 2 cars worth of parking (assuming the bus stop will
cater to two buses simultaneously - exactly the number that is being
proposed in the new BRT designs). In fact, if the parking boxes are painted
according to rules, no parking is taken away as there is already 15m
supposedly free on either side of the bus stop. No barricades are needed.
The only downside - if it can be called that - is that private vehicles
have to wait behind the stopped bus. But that is probably a good thing and
can almost give a quasi-bus-lane without demarcating. And in any case, it
isn't any worse than today.
- Jayant
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar <
adhiraj.jogle...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This initiative is helpful first step, but as Harshad points out, it
> has to become rooted in the psyche and become a habit. The barriers
> ought to be present mentally with minimal physical grade separation
> (these metal barriers are a serious hazard) - usually this is done by
> applying red tarmac to bays and bus lanes.
> The other thing which we on this group understand but not the lot out
> there is that this design can't be scaled to all roads because the
> width is insufficient. There is a common fantasy that in the West
> every bus stop has a bus bay and this allows rest of the traffic to
> flow smoothly - the extension of this in India is - buses should not
> be used on roads where a bus bay can't be introduced and the attitude
> is ''do what you want, just don't let the bus obstruct me when I am
> behind it (i.e. we serve the motorised vehicles). Thus, unless this
> leads to next logical step of introducing bus lanes the exercise will
> have limited value on enhancing PT per se, as by it self, the
> impression is that the red box has been kicked out of my way.
> A
> On 18/07/2012, Harshad Abhyankar <a_hars...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > A query: Do the cops remove the barricades and put them back every day?
> > Because barricade-based improvements, esp when cops/ PMC staff has to
> spend
> > some manpower every day (by design) have never sustained in Pune - the
> Laxmi
> > Rd ped plaza is an example.
> > Of course, I will be glad if they do what they are doing tirelessly, till
> > people get in the habit :)
> > regards,
> > - Harshad.
> > ________________________________
> > From: Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net>
> > To: PTTF General <pttfgen@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 9:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4035] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst.
> > bus stop on FC road)
> > Yes the plan is working well and we have got
> > very positive feedback both from Traffic Police and PMPML. Intend to
> > replicate
> > it at some other critical locations.
> > Regards
> > Prashant Inamdar
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Amit Paranjape
> >>To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com
> >>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4031] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade
> Inst.
> >> bus stop on FC road)
> >>Prashant,
> >>I saw this first hand yesterday at FC Road. Looked great!
> >>>This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
> >>> Institute bus stop on FC road.
> >>> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus
> >>> stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience
> and
> >>> serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting
> down.
> >>> Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with
> >>> layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on
> main
> >>> roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that
> the
> >>> plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are
> >>> being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson
> >>> College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials
> have
> >>> begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active
> participation
> >>> of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have
> >>> yielded good results as under -
> >>>Earlier scenario -
> >>>1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
> >>>2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
> >>>3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
> >>>4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
> >>>5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
> >>>6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
> >>>7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
> >>>With busbay plan -
> >>>1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
> >>>2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
> >>> traffic flow.
> >>>3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
> >>> barrier in parking bay
> >>>4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the
> >>> left half of the road to access the busbay
> >>>5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to
> wait
> >>> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
> >>>6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very
> convenient
> >>> and safe even for senior citizens
> >>>7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
> >>>8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
> >>>(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
> >>>Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
> >>> during trails).
> >>>It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
> >>> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing
> >>> carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so
> placed
> >>> before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created
> >>> but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in
> >>> the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or
> >>> other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any
> >>> rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit
> >>> immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of
> buses
> >>> being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the
> busbay
> >>> area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit
> >>> path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop
> with
> >>> one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the
> >>> busbay area at the same time which is
> > quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
> > Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be
> installed in
> > place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
> >>>We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
> >>> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days.
> >>> In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a
> good
> >>> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
> >>>We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
> >>> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
> >>>RegardsPrashant Inamdar
> >>>Convenor
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Only the two barricades placed at the edge of yellow box to segregate the bus bay from carriageway are removed at night and replaced in the morning. This is done by PMPML staff presently deployed at the stop. Barricades in the parking bay are not removed.
----- Original Message ----- From: Harshad Abhyankar To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4038] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
A query: Do the cops remove the barricades and put them back every day? Because barricade-based improvements, esp when cops/ PMC staff has to spend some manpower every day (by design) have never sustained in Pune - the Laxmi Rd ped plaza is an example.
Of course, I will be glad if they do what they are doing tirelessly, till people get in the habit :)
regards,
- Harshad.
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From: Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net>
To: PTTF General <pttfgen@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4035] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
Yes the plan is working well and we have got very positive feedback both from Traffic Police and PMPML. Intend to replicate it at some other critical locations.
Regards
Prashant Inamdar
----- Original Message ----- From: Amit Paranjape To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4031] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
Prashant,
I saw this first hand yesterday at FC Road. Looked great!
Amit
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net> wrote:
Dear All,
Subject : Busbay plan
This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade Institute bus stop on FC road.
It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down. Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have yielded good results as under -
Earlier scenario -
1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop 4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
With busbay plan - 1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main traffic flow. 3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical barrier in parking bay
4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the left half of the road to access the busbay
5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait on road and required to stand at the bus stop
6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient and safe even for senior citizens
7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and during trails).
It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the busbay area at the same time which is quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods. Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days. In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
Regards
Prashant Inamdar
Convenor
Pedestrians FIRST
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We had proposed this solution (bus stop in parking bay) long back and a few bus stops had also been shifted accordingly. Even in the concept dwg for present busbay plan it is stated in the 'Notes' that recommended location of bus stop is in the parking bay. However after observing trials of the busbay plan on FC road, we are of the opinion that this plan would work better (than bus stop in parking bay) on congested roads with high bus frequency. Footpath needs to be sufficiently wide in this case as bus shelter will be on footpath.
----- Original Message ----- From: Jayant Joshi To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4041] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst. bus stop on FC road)
Instead of creating bus bays, if the bus stop is pulled ahead into the "parking lane", the bus will not have to pull in and out, passengers won't have to move forward to be able to see the incoming bus from a distance, parking - autorickshaws specifically - can be allowed almost to the edge of the bus stop and the footpath / cycle track remains unobstructed. All it does it take away about 2 cars worth of parking (assuming the bus stop will cater to two buses simultaneously - exactly the number that is being proposed in the new BRT designs). In fact, if the parking boxes are painted according to rules, no parking is taken away as there is already 15m supposedly free on either side of the bus stop. No barricades are needed. The only downside - if it can be called that - is that private vehicles have to wait behind the stopped bus. But that is probably a good thing and can almost give a quasi-bus-lane without demarcating. And in any case, it isn't any worse than today.
- Jayant
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar <adhiraj.jogle...@googlemail.com> wrote:
This initiative is helpful first step, but as Harshad points out, it
has to become rooted in the psyche and become a habit. The barriers
ought to be present mentally with minimal physical grade separation
(these metal barriers are a serious hazard) - usually this is done by
applying red tarmac to bays and bus lanes.
The other thing which we on this group understand but not the lot out
there is that this design can't be scaled to all roads because the
width is insufficient. There is a common fantasy that in the West
every bus stop has a bus bay and this allows rest of the traffic to
flow smoothly - the extension of this in India is - buses should not
be used on roads where a bus bay can't be introduced and the attitude
is ''do what you want, just don't let the bus obstruct me when I am
behind it (i.e. we serve the motorised vehicles). Thus, unless this
leads to next logical step of introducing bus lanes the exercise will
have limited value on enhancing PT per se, as by it self, the
impression is that the red box has been kicked out of my way.
A
On 18/07/2012, Harshad Abhyankar <a_hars...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A query: Do the cops remove the barricades and put them back every day?
> Because barricade-based improvements, esp when cops/ PMC staff has to spend
> some manpower every day (by design) have never sustained in Pune - the Laxmi
> Rd ped plaza is an example.
> Of course, I will be glad if they do what they are doing tirelessly, till
> people get in the habit :)
> regards,
> - Harshad.
> ________________________________
> From: Prashant Inamdar <prashantinam...@vsnl.net>
> To: PTTF General <pttfgen@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4035] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst.
> bus stop on FC road)
> Yes the plan is working well and we have got
> very positive feedback both from Traffic Police and PMPML. Intend to
> replicate
> it at some other critical locations.
> Regards
> Prashant Inamdar
> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Amit Paranjape
>>To: pttfgen@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: [pttfgen:4031] Busbay plan trials a success (at Ranade Inst.
>> bus stop on FC road)
>>Prashant,
>>I saw this first hand yesterday at FC Road. Looked great!
>>>This is to inform about successful trials of busbay plan at Ranade
>>> Institute bus stop on FC road.
>>> It is a common sight that buses do not halt adjacent to curbside bus
>>> stops but on the road itself. This causes considerable inconvenience and
>>> serious safety problems for commuters boarding the bus or getting down.
>>> Traffic on road is also obstructed. We had submitted a proposal with
>>> layout drawings to PMC and Traffic Police for creating a busbay on main
>>> roads with roadside parking. During discussions we had proposed that the
>>> plan be tried out at a prominent location where serious problems are
>>> being faced and had suggested Ranade Institute bus stop of Fergusson
>>> College road. We are pleased to inform that the busbay plan trials have
>>> begun on 12th July morning with the cooperation and active participation
>>> of all agencies concerned - Traffic Police, PMPML, PMC - and have
>>> yielded good results as under -
>>>Earlier scenario -
>>>1) Buses halting on road as clear access to bus stop not available
>>>2) Parking adjacent to bus stop
>>>3) Driver indiscipline with buses moving in lanes away from bus stop
>>>4) Commuters standing on the road for boarding the bus
>>>5) Commuters getting down on the road and walking to the road side
>>>6) Highly unsafe condtions for commuters as traffic moving close by
>>>7) Buses halting on road obstructing traffic flow
>>>With busbay plan -
>>>1) Clear access to buses up to bus stop
>>>2) Bus exit from busbay is smooth without interfering with the main
>>> traffic flow.
>>>3) Parking not possible in the vicinity of bus stop due to physical
>>> barrier in parking bay
>>>4) Better driver discipline as buses have to compulsarily move in the
>>> left half of the road to access the busbay
>>>5) Better commuter discipline and safety as commuters do not have to wait
>>> on road and required to stand at the bus stop
>>>6) Buses dock very close to the bus stop making boarding very convenient
>>> and safe even for senior citizens
>>>7) Buses halting in the bus bay leave a clean carriageway
>>>8) Smooth flow of traffic irrespective of bus movement in the bus bay
>>>(Preferably there should be 2-wheeler parking prior to busbay)
>>>Attaching concept plan for busbay and some pictures (before trials and
>>> during trails).
>>>It is for the first time that a segregated bus bay has been created on
>>> normal road without any change in bus stop position or existing
>>> carriageway lanes. Physical separators (barricades) have been so placed
>>> before and after the bus stop that not only has a busbay been created
>>> but any parking in the busbay zone is also not possible. Thus area in
>>> the bus approach and exit path remains free of waiting rickshaws or
>>> other vehicles which used to obstruct access to bus stop. Even if any
>>> rickshaw or vehicle does halt in the busbay, it has to exit
>>> immediately when bus aligns for entering the busbay. Frequency of buses
>>> being very high, vehicles do not have opportunity to wait in the busbay
>>> area. The entire busbay length including entry path, bus stop and exit
>>> path is 50 metres. Two buses can comfortably halt at the bus stop with
>>> one entering and another leaving. Thus total four buses can be in the
>>> busbay area at the same time which is
> quite sufficient for smooth bus movement even during peak periods.
> Prominent busbay signage and permanent bollards now need to be installed in
> place of barricades to demarcate the busbay.
>>>We have actively participated in the design and implementation of the
>>> busbay plan and have been observing the trials for the past four days.
>>> In our opinion the busbay plan has been a success. We consider it a good
>>> example of team work by citizen group, Traffic Police, PMPML and PMC.
>>>We have requested that the model be replicated at major bus stops on
>>> arterial roads and progressively thereafter for other bus stops.
>>>RegardsPrashant Inamdar
>>>Convenor
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