No IRC at Red and Black
Stefan Mintier
If someone wants to send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal window here I'll install it.
Stefan
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Russell Senior
Stefan> No Java means no IRC at red and black. If someone wants to
Stefan> send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal window
Stefan> here I'll install it. Stefan
/me confused. Java would run on your browser, not on the router. If
your machine has java, that should probably work for you. I'm not
sure there even *is* a java available for OpenWrt (there probably is)
but ... I can't imagine it is remotely necessary.
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Aaron Baer
>>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Mintier <smin...@gmail.com> writes:
Stefan> No Java means no IRC at red and black. If someone wants to
Stefan> send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal window
Stefan> here I'll install it. Stefan
/me confused. Java would run on your browser, not on the router. If
your machine has java, that should probably work for you. I'm not
sure there even *is* a java available for OpenWrt (there probably is)
but ... I can't imagine it is remotely necessary.
Does Freegeek have terminals set up in this red and black location like they did in the other? Stefan, are you referring to a computer on the network with which you're trying to connect with? Port 194 is not blocked at that location as far as I know.
If you are talking about a terminal that they have there for internet use then you'll probably have to request to freegeek to have java installed.
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Russell Senior
>> >>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Mintier <smin...@gmail.com> writes:
Stefan> No Java means no IRC at red and black. If someone wants to
Stefan> send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal window
Stefan> here I'll install it. Stefan
[...]
Aaron> If you are talking about a terminal that they have there for
Aaron> internet use then you'll probably have to request to freegeek
Aaron> to have java installed.
/me points at Aaron. That is exactly right. FreeGeek set up a LTSP
box with two terminals. I don't have the password on that box, so
your request should definitely go to FreeGeek, as they administer the
box. Or they could install a real IRC client. Or both.
smin...@gmail.com
me assumes PTP property (could be all those boxen in Russell's
basement)
I will forward to them.
thanx
Stefan
On May 2, 10:09 pm, Russell Senior <russ...@personaltelco.net> wrote:
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Baer <aar...@personaltelco.net> writes:
>
> Stefan> No Java means no IRC at red and black. If someone wants to
> Stefan> send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal window
> Stefan> here I'll install it. Stefan
>
> [...]
>
> Aaron> If you are talking about a terminal that they have there for
> Aaron> internet use then you'll probably have to request to freegeek
> Aaron> to have java installed.
>
> /me points at Aaron. That is exactly right. FreeGeek set up a LTSP
> box with two terminals. I don't have the password on that box, so
> your request should definitely go to FreeGeek, as they administer the
> box. Or they could install a real IRC client. Or both.
>
> --
> Russell Senior, Secretary
Daniel Johnson
> No Java means no IRC at red and black.
> If someone wants to send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal
> window here I'll install it.
> Stefan
IRC is an insecure protocol. I won't use it on wifi. I ssh to
another machine, and use it via that.
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Daniel Johnson
> If someone wants to send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal
> window here I'll install it.
> Stefan
IRC is an insecure protocol. I won't use it on wifi. I ssh to
Michael Weinberg
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Stefan Mintier <smin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No Java means no IRC at red and black.
> > If someone wants to send me the pass word and info on how to get a terminal
> > window here I'll install it.
> > Stefan
>
> IRC is an insecure protocol. I won't use it on wifi. I ssh to
> another machine, and use it via that.
IRC does not require any logins nor is it secure on the server side,
so ssh does not make it any more secure. When using IRC you should
never transmit any secret/secure information. If the end point is
insecure, adding security in between your computer and the end point
really doesn't enhance security.
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Daniel Johnson
> so ssh does not make it any more secure. When using IRC you should
> never transmit any secret/secure information. If the end point is
> insecure, adding security in between your computer and the end point
> really doesn't enhance security.
Freenode requires logins to send direct user to user messages. Not
very secure, but much more secure when done from a system where I know
only the ISP, and admins of the freenode network can view raw traffic.
Michael Weinberg
True enough. IRC is so completely insecure (both in terms of
connection and ability to verify who is on the other side of the chat)
that freenode's direct message security and the notion that anything
on IRC should be considered at all safe strikes me as
dangerous/irresponsible Internet usage.
Daniel Johnson
> connection and ability to verify who is on the other side of the chat)
> that freenode's direct message security and the notion that anything
> on IRC should be considered at all safe strikes me as
> dangerous/irresponsible Internet usage.
Still I feel like every opportunity to make something less insecure
should be taken. For example I wouldn't consider I wouldn't consider
allowing access from a limited number of IP addresses as sufficient
security in, and of itself, but adding it means that they have to know
what IP's are allowed, and spoof them before they can even attempt to
exploit other security holes. This gives you another opportunity to
detect the intrusion attempt.
I secure protocol like ssh, or https is probably good enough on an
open network like a personal telco node, but a completely insecure
protocol like IRC justifies at least trying old school security
techniques.
Michael Weinberg
I can understand this, from a purely personal, psychological stand
point, but from an educational position, which PTP has, an insecure
connection/protocol is insecure. If you can't have end-to-end
security, securing the mid-points does nothing but lure a user into a
false sense of security. IRC--in a cafe, at home, in your
office--should be treated as insecure, and used accordingly.