I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably
many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a "Free
Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run around
the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I
imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big
map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and
addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost of the
ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP
(big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick in
some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did the
same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the
Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some ideas
to share.
Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting MetroFi
would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi
users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will
tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our thousands of
happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable
newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential advertisers.
The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time
and energy is there to run with it.
> I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably > many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a "Free > Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run around > the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I > imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big > map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and > addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost of the > ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP > (big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick in > some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did the > same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the > Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some ideas > to share.
> Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting MetroFi > would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi > users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will > tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
> I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our thousands of > happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable > newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential advertisers. > The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time > and energy is there to run with it.
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tyler Booth <ty...@stephouse.net> wrote:
> There may be a non-profit rate. Stephouse might have a few dollars to > help out with that.
> On May 17, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Keithl <kei...@keithl.com> wrote:
>> I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably >> many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a "Free >> Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run around >> the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I >> imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big >> map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and >> addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost of the >> ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP >> (big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick in >> some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did the >> same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the >> Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some ideas >> to share.
>> Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting MetroFi >> would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi >> users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will >> tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
>> I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our thousands of >> happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable >> newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential advertisers. >> The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time >> and energy is there to run with it.
One question that comes to me is whether the O is really the target audience for us? I'm inclined to think that the WW might hit a group that is more active in the community and inclined to become involved or donate to us. I don't read the paper edition of the O more than once a month. I check it online.
I do tend to flip through the WW, because their website gives me a headache and it tends to be available at coffee shops and the like, when I have 10-15 minutes to sit and read.
Of course, I may be abnormal. Do you or your friends and colleagues read the paper O or WW more frequently?
Michael
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Paul Charles Leddy <pcle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd donate $200. Let me know, I can send via paypal.
> This seems like an exciting time of failure. But I am easily aroused.
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tyler Booth <ty...@stephouse.net> wrote:
>> There may be a non-profit rate. Stephouse might have a few dollars to >> help out with that.
>> On May 17, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Keithl <kei...@keithl.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably >>> many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a "Free >>> Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run around >>> the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I >>> imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big >>> map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and >>> addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost of the >>> ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP >>> (big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick in >>> some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did the >>> same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the >>> Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some ideas >>> to share.
>>> Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting MetroFi >>> would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi >>> users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will >>> tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
>>> I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our thousands of >>> happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable >>> newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential advertisers. >>> The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time >>> and energy is there to run with it.
-- Michael Weinberg President Personal Telco Project, Inc.
It's not really about the target audience for ptp, but that of Metrofi wouldn't it? I'm not suggesting one or the other, but the WW crowd might be already well aware of PTP's efforts. Maybe not. I don't read the oregonian either, I'm much more likely to be reading WW, but I know plenty of people who do.
Seth.
On May 19, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Michael Weinberg wrote:
> One question that comes to me is whether the O is really the target > audience for us? I'm inclined to think that the WW might hit a group > that is more active in the community and inclined to become involved > or donate to us. I don't read the paper edition of the O more than > once a month. I check it online.
> I do tend to flip through the WW, because their website gives me a > headache and it tends to be available at coffee shops and the like, > when I have 10-15 minutes to sit and read.
> Of course, I may be abnormal. Do you or your friends and colleagues > read the paper O or WW more frequently?
> Michael
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Paul Charles Leddy > <pcle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd donate $200. Let me know, I can send via paypal.
>> This seems like an exciting time of failure. But I am easily aroused.
>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tyler Booth <ty...@stephouse.net> >> wrote:
>>> There may be a non-profit rate. Stephouse might have a few dollars >>> to >>> help out with that.
>>> On May 17, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Keithl <kei...@keithl.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably >>>> many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a >>>> "Free >>>> Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run >>>> around >>>> the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I >>>> imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big >>>> map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and >>>> addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost >>>> of the >>>> ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP >>>> (big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick >>>> in >>>> some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did >>>> the >>>> same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the >>>> Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some >>>> ideas >>>> to share.
>>>> Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting >>>> MetroFi >>>> would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi >>>> users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will >>>> tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
>>>> I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our >>>> thousands of >>>> happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable >>>> newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential >>>> advertisers. >>>> The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time >>>> and energy is there to run with it.
> -- > Michael Weinberg > President > Personal Telco Project, Inc.
Well, it's about getting people aware who will support us in one way or another, right? So it would not be bad to remind people who may already know about us that we're here and still working.
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM, seth shikora <s...@shikora.org> wrote:
> It's not really about the target audience for ptp, but that of Metrofi > wouldn't it? I'm not suggesting one or the other, but the WW crowd > might be already well aware of PTP's efforts. Maybe not. I don't read > the oregonian either, I'm much more likely to be reading WW, but I > know plenty of people who do.
> Seth.
> On May 19, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Michael Weinberg wrote:
>> This ad idea appears to have legs.
>> One question that comes to me is whether the O is really the target >> audience for us? I'm inclined to think that the WW might hit a group >> that is more active in the community and inclined to become involved >> or donate to us. I don't read the paper edition of the O more than >> once a month. I check it online.
>> I do tend to flip through the WW, because their website gives me a >> headache and it tends to be available at coffee shops and the like, >> when I have 10-15 minutes to sit and read.
>> Of course, I may be abnormal. Do you or your friends and colleagues >> read the paper O or WW more frequently?
>> Michael
>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Paul Charles Leddy >> <pcle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd donate $200. Let me know, I can send via paypal.
>>> This seems like an exciting time of failure. But I am easily aroused.
>>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tyler Booth <ty...@stephouse.net> >>> wrote:
>>>> There may be a non-profit rate. Stephouse might have a few dollars >>>> to >>>> help out with that.
>>>> On May 17, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Keithl <kei...@keithl.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably >>>>> many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a >>>>> "Free >>>>> Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run >>>>> around >>>>> the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I >>>>> imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big >>>>> map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and >>>>> addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost >>>>> of the >>>>> ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP >>>>> (big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick >>>>> in >>>>> some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did >>>>> the >>>>> same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the >>>>> Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some >>>>> ideas >>>>> to share.
>>>>> Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting >>>>> MetroFi >>>>> would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi >>>>> users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will >>>>> tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
>>>>> I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our >>>>> thousands of >>>>> happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable >>>>> newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential >>>>> advertisers. >>>>> The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time >>>>> and energy is there to run with it.
>> -- >> Michael Weinberg >> President >> Personal Telco Project, Inc.
-- Michael Weinberg President Personal Telco Project, Inc.
On Monday 19 May 2008 03:32:33 pm Michael Weinberg wrote:
> Of course, I may be abnormal. Do you or your friends and colleagues > read the paper O or WW more frequently?
Statesman's Journal. But then again, I could be wrong, I live in Salem. And the Oregonian has circulation figures that put it as the most widely read paper in the tri-state area. You can occasionally spot the yellow Oregonian boxes as far out as Bonner County, Idaho.
Paul Charles Leddy wrote: > I'd donate $200. Let me know, I can send via paypal.
> This seems like an exciting time of failure. But I am easily aroused.
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tyler Booth <ty...@stephouse.net> wrote: >> There may be a non-profit rate. Stephouse might have a few dollars to >> help out with that.
>> On May 17, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Keithl <kei...@keithl.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know how much a large ad in the Oregonian costs; probably >>> many thousands of dollars. It would be sweet if we could get a "Free >>> Community WIFI is still here" ad ready for the Oregonian to run around >>> the same time that the lights go out at MetroFi. In my dreams, I >>> imagine a full page that is a few short paragraphs about PTP, a big >>> map of the nodes, and the bottom of the page sporting the logos and >>> addresses of nodes that are willing to kick in some of the cost of the >>> ad, as well as logos for the non-profits that support and fund PTP >>> (big logo for Meyer Memorial Trust, if Marie Detherage could kick in >>> some ad money, or for Netequality if Michael Burmeister-Brown did the >>> same). If PTP was a bit flexible about timing and placement, the >>> Oregonian might offer a good rate. Mike Rogoway might have some ideas >>> to share.
>>> Perhaps some of the few advertisers that are still supporting MetroFi >>> would be willing to get on board, too. They want to reach Wifi >>> users; if they do so by being on a map page that Portlanders will >>> tend to cut out and keep, then they achieve the same goals.
>>> I assume that among all of us, our acquaintances, and our thousands of >>> happy users, there are some folks that can design a nice scalable >>> newspaper ad, and others that can shmooze the potential advertisers. >>> The fall of MetroFi can be a great opportunity for PTP, if the time >>> and energy is there to run with it.
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Gary <g...@eyetraxx.net> wrote: > Since the Oregonian is a state-wide paper, why not the Portland Tribune?
I'd be astonished if The Oregonian were not far and away the newspaper most widely read by our target audience. I'd guess WW would be second. The Portland Tribune has got to be much more limited; the fact that it's specific to Portland doesn't help if the absolute number of Portland-area readers is lower.
