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[65.254.253.106]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f17si1129743qck.1.2012.10.07.19.02.47; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of SRS0=BFvmUp=IF=adex-japan.com=ro...@yourhostingaccount.com designates 65.254.253.106 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.254.253.106; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of SRS0=BFvmUp=IF=adex-japan.com=ro...@yourhostingaccount.com designates 65.254.253.106 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=SRS0=BFvmUp=IF=adex-japan.com=ro...@yourhostingaccount.com Received: from mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.15] helo=mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1TL2gA-00069P-QX for ptgui@googlegroups.com; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:02:46 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1TL2gA-0002p4-IB for ptgui@googlegroups.com; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:02:46 -0400 Received: from authsmtp16.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.16]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 8S2m1k0070LoD9W01S2mDg; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:02:46 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IICA+3TG c=1 sm=1 a=GxB6PRV3797eDK0ZCzEL4g==:17 a=mYJ1TZWzg2cA:10 a=ACGiubEtV0kA:10 a=2BQBGs1gAAAA:8 a=Eu_Df6NyeIIA:10 a=4jraHwQkAAAA:8 a=4RBUngkUAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Xm-wgquFAAAA:8 a=8CONN8WzAAAA:20 a=Kyanf5zzEfgXd-_-ZVUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=s7q0MJJmjjYA:10 a=c4S9Whzb7AQA:10 a=Bm6qEjDGwGEA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=MTRyVgKTaPzKjDTasVgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=kGf82tr1h9zCP5sH:21 a=ltXMujfcukYoTVgNOHxvog==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.16 X-EN-IMPSID: 8S2m1k0070LoD9W01S2mDg Received: from 5.in0120a.cyberhome.ne.jp ([210.254.86.5] helo=[192.168.2.101]) by authsmtp16.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim) id 1TL2g9-0004vt-Jp for ptgui@googlegroups.com; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:02:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [PTGui] Re: HDR problem References: <85e4e156a27732a2a84f94895821f7c7c74d5...@webmail.iinet.net.au> From: Roger D Williams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-46E2E4DC-C7C9-47F5-A019-3E95E48D9C40 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A403) In-Reply-To: <85e4e156a27732a2a84f94895821f7c7c74d5...@webmail.iinet.net.au> Message-Id: <65EC53D5-0F55-4D2D-9DE3-5A746596D...@adex-japan.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:02:42 +0900 To: "ptgui@googlegroups.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-EN-UserInfo: e2c515c0d58003897dc43221df1573b2:02d1ab6d911d77c3e54c404f1eedf177 X-EN-AuthUser: adexroger Sender: Roger D Williams X-EN-OrigIP: 210.254.86.5 X-EN-OrigHost: 5.in0120a.cyberhome.ne.jp --Apple-Mail-46E2E4DC-C7C9-47F5-A019-3E95E48D9C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, you're right, Henrik. But it took SNS-HDR to convince me... It is the f= irst RAW developer in my experience that does natural looking tone mapping f= rom a single RAW exposure. And of course it can only recover what was record= ed in the original image. It also has controls that I find "intuitive." And w= hat I do these days is take three bracketed exposures and try single-exposur= e development on the best of the three. If that doesn't work I add in one or= both of the other two exposures and let SNS-HDR do its full thing. So far i= t has never failed, and most times I get away with using only the single exp= osures. So much so that I am thinking of keeping bracketing to the most prob= lematic scenes. De-ghosting is not one of the program's strong points, but a= n upgrade that addresses this weakness has been promised and must be about d= ue by now... Judging by the programmer's success so far I have great expecta= tions. Roger W Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:23 AM, "Henrik" wrote: > The whole point of HDR/Fusion is to capture a wider dynamic range then the= camera is capable off, if you can capture the whole scene in one shot then n= o need for any of these steps - just a proper RAW conversions. i could me wr= ong and if so please correct me >=20 > thanks >=20 >=20 > Henrik Tived >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > ptgui@googlegroups.com >=20 > To: > "ptgui@googlegroups.com" > Cc: >=20 > Sent: > Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:51:19 +0900 > Subject: > Re: [PTGui] Re: HDR problem >=20 >=20 > My experience has been similar in that I used to swear by RAW + HDR. Now I= simply call up the SNS-HDR program on my single RAW (in my case DNG) image a= nd let it work its magic. >=20 > Roger W >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:28 AM, Ken Warner wrote: >=20 > > I used to do that. But now I just adjust the levels to get what I want. I= 'm not sure that the pseudo-hdr really gives you anymore than what's in the o= riginal image. > >=20 > > On 10/7/2012 6:10 AM, Luc Villeneuve wrote: > >> When I need HDR for an action shot, because people or cars are moving f= ast, you cannot do a multiple exposure. > >>=20 > >> I develop my images (RAW) more then once (+2 and -2) I then merge these= 3 images. Look at your histogram to be sure that you have the best exposure= possible. It's not like a real bracketed images but it will give you more i= mages to play with. > >>=20 > >> You can also use this technic if you feel that you need a darker or a l= ighter image for a scene. Always keep your RAW files. > >>=20 > >> Luc > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On 06 oct. 2012, at 15:20, Erik Krause wrote: > >>=20 > >>> Am 06.10.2012 20:14, schrieb Risto K: > >>>> So it means that when shooting 360/180degrees panorama, you'll have t= o use > >>>> same settings when shooting the sunset and the darker parts of the > >>>> panorama? I would imagine that it could be beneficial to adjust the > >>>> exposure if there's extreme variation in the light > >>>=20 > >>> You can do that if you merge to HDR and tonemap (or better: exposure f= use) using some dedicated program before stitching. However, you might face v= ery different lighting throughout the panorama. PTGui might succeed adjustin= g that differences but this depends on the content and your skill. > >>>=20 > >>> -- > >>> Erik Krause > >>>=20 > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups "PTGui" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to ptgui@googlegroups.com > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ptgui+unsubscribe@google= groups.com > >>> Please do not add attachments to your posts; instead upload your files= at a file sharing site (for example http://ge.tt/ ) and include a link in y= our message. > >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/p= tgui > >=20 > > --=20 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "PTGui" group. > > To post to this group, send email to ptgui@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ptgui+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com > > Please do not add attachments to your posts; instead upload your files a= t a file sharing site (for example http://ge.tt/ ) and include a link in you= r message. > > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ptg= ui >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= PTGui" group. > To post to this group, send email to ptgui@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ptgui+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com > Please do not add attachments to your posts; instead upload your files at a= file sharing site (for example http://ge.tt/ ) and include a link in your m= essage. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ptgui= > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= PTGui" group. > To post to this group, send email to ptgui@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ptgui+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com > Please do not add attachments to your posts; instead upload your files at a= file sharing site (for example http://ge.tt/ ) and include a link in your m= essage. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ptgui= --Apple-Mail-46E2E4DC-C7C9-47F5-A019-3E95E48D9C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, you're right, Henrik. But it took= SNS-HDR to convince me... It is the first RAW developer in my experience th= at does natural looking tone mapping from a single RAW exposure. And of cour= se it can only recover what was recorded in the original image. It also has c= ontrols that I find "intuitive." And what I do these days is take three brac= keted exposures and try single-exposure development on the best of the three= . If that doesn't work I add in one or both of the other two exposures and l= et SNS-HDR do its full thing. So far it has never failed, and most times I g= et away with using only the single exposures. So much so that I am thinking o= f keeping bracketing to the most problematic scenes. De-ghosting is not one o= f the program's strong points, but an upgrade that addresses this weakness h= as been promised and must be about due by now... Judging by the programmer's= success so far I have great expectations.

Roger W<= br>
Sent from my iPad

On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:23 AM, "Henrik"= <ti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:=

The whole point of HDR/Fusio= n is to capture a wider dynamic range then the camera is capable o= ff, if you can capture the whole scene in one shot then no need for any of t= hese steps - just a proper RAW conversions. i could me wrong and if so pleas= e correct me

thanks


Henrik Tived


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Re: [PTGui] Re: HDR problem

My experience has been similar in that I used to swear by RAW + HDR. Now I s= imply call up the SNS-HDR program on my single RAW (in my case DNG) image an= d let it work its magic.

Roger W

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:28 AM, Ken Warner <kwarner...@verizon.net> wrote:

> I used to do that. But now I just adjust the levels to get what I want= . I'm not sure that the pseudo-hdr really gives you anymore than what's in t= he original image.
>
> On 10/7/2012 6:10 AM, Luc Villeneuve wrote:
>> When I need HDR for an action shot, because people or cars are movi= ng fast, you cannot do a multiple exposure.
>>
>> I develop my images (RAW) more then once (+2 and -2) I then merge t= hese 3 images. Look at your histogram to be sure that you have the best expo= sure possible. It's not like a real bracketed images but it will give you mo= re images to play with.
>>
>> You can also use this technic if you feel that you need a darker or= a lighter image for a scene. Always keep your RAW files.
>>
>> Luc
>>
>>
>> On 06 oct. 2012, at 15:20, Erik Krause wrote:
>>
>>> Am 06.10.2012 20:14, schrieb Risto K:
>>>> So it means that when shooting 360/180degrees panorama, you= 'll have to use
>>>> same settings when shooting the sunset and the darker parts= of the
>>>> panorama? I would imagine that it could be beneficial to ad= just the
>>>> exposure if there's extreme variation in the light
>>>
>>> You can do that if you merge to HDR and tonemap (or better: exp= osure fuse) using some dedicated program before stitching. However, you migh= t face very different lighting throughout the panorama. PTGui might succeed a= djusting that differences but this depends on the content and your skill. >>>
>>> --
>>> Erik Krause
>>>
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