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[15:31] <zeuben> hello all
[15:34] <lsmith> puh .. i am getting sleepy
[15:36] <b00giZm> you still got 30 mins left to grab a lot of
coffee ;)
[15:38] <CIA-11> francois * r1948 /branches/1.6/ (18 files in 4 dirs):
[1.6] Introducing model diffs and comparators (refs #1122)
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[15:43] <Phenix> hello
[15:44] <arlo> hello too
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[15:46] <lsmith> b00giZm: i will just inflict some pain on myself by
training my recently operated knee
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[15:47] <LvanderRee> hello all
[15:47] <LvanderRee> pretty busy today ;)
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[15:48] <CIA-11> francois * r1949 /branches/1.6/test/fixtures/
bookstore/schema.xml: [1.6] Fixed failing test
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[15:48] <LvanderRee> haha still committing
[15:48] <francois___> Hi all
[15:48] <lsmith> salut
[15:48] <nsolsen> Hep!
[15:48] <Phenix> salut
[15:48] <LvanderRee> hi, just said the same ;)
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[15:49] <b00giZm> hi ;)
[15:49] <francois___> I just committed the first bricks of Propel 1.6
new killer feature
[15:49] <v-dogg> good evening everyone
[15:49] <francois___> hi
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[15:50] <nsolsen> Exciting!
[15:50] <LvanderRee> I noticed and was already looking...
[15:50] <lsmith> [1.6] Introducing model diffs and comparators (refs
#1122) ?
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[15:50] <francois___> lsmith: yep, in relation to ticket #1123
[15:51] <LvanderRee> interesting
[15:51] <francois___> Nothing new for all the Doctrine guys there,
though
[15:51] <LvanderRee> nope, but still a missing feature for propel,
nice to see it
[15:51] <francois___> Still a lot to be done, but the path is clear
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[15:51] <nsolsen> Very nice indeed!
[15:52] <francois___> Anyway, let's warm up a little
[15:52] <pablodip> and Mondongo guy :P
[15:52] <francois___> Who is new there and never talked to me? Please
introduce yourself!
[15:52] <Jarda> hello all
[15:53] <avalanche123> francois___, Bulat, newest member of Doctrine
Core team, MongoDB ODM
[15:53] <avalanche123> francois___, hi
[15:53] <francois___> avalanche123: nice meeting you
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[15:53] <StephenMelrose> I'm Steve. Work for a development agency in
Leeds, UK. Been using Symfony with Propel for 2 years.
[15:53] <francois___> StephenMelrose: congratulations
[15:53] <nsolsen> I'm Niels, I'm working with Symfony 1.2 and Propel
of course :)
[15:53] <francois___> nsolsen: Welcome!
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[15:54] <nsolsen> tyvm
[15:54] <grEvenX> hi all
[15:54] <Jarda> francois___: I'm Niklas Närhinen, in case you didn't
already know the link between my nick and real name :)
[15:54] <b00giZm> i'm pascal, project manager and symfony evangelist
in a german web agency, creator of the *cough
[15:54] <b00giZm> sonata framework ;)
[15:54] <b00giZm> nice to meet you all
[15:54] <Yrwein> I'm Josef, using Propel (with Nette framework) only
for few month. .)
[15:54] <francois___> b00giZm: pleasure
[15:55] <francois___> Yrwein: it's only the beginning
[15:55] <francois___> Jarda: Enchanté
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[15:55] <grEvenX> <-- Even André, used Propel for 5 years or so for a
large VoIP platform
[15:55] <LvanderRee> I'm using Propel1.5 and Symfony 1.4, and have
wroten several patches and fixes for Propel already.
[15:55] <v-dogg> Veikko, oldtimer, nowadays passive contributor but
still active user (and IRC supporter :)
[15:56] <francois___> grEvenX, LvanderRee, v-dogg : nice seeing you
there
[15:56] <v-dogg> (using Agavi as a framework)
[15:56] <arlo> francois___: arlo, francoisz coworker, using propel
since 1.5
[15:56] <LvanderRee> I am using propel and symfony for arround 4years
now
[15:56] <Jarda> (Agavi here also)
[15:56] <grEvenX> v-dogg is a regular ;)
[15:56] <Phenix> i'm Claude Ramseyer, developer in symfony and propel
in french web agency and i develop the Surface framework (extends
generator)
[15:56] <grEvenX> damn, this channel just got a lot more populated
than usual :P
[15:57] <nsolsen> yeah, good crowd!
[15:57] <LvanderRee> haha that is what I said when I just entered
[15:57] <grEvenX> nice meeting you all
[15:57] <v-dogg> AND YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO JOIN OTHERWISE, TOO! :)
[15:57] <v-dogg> not just for meetups
[15:57] <Jarda> it's mostly me and v-dogg giving support here on
regular basis :)
[15:57] <LvanderRee> I am there sometimes as well
[15:57] <LvanderRee> but usually to quiet
[15:57] * grEvenX is just idling ;)
[15:57] <LvanderRee> or me too busy
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[15:58] <Jarda> (well, that's because we have small children and no
life.. :D)
[15:58] <francois___> Please come more regularly so that v-dogg and
the others don't feel too lonely :)
[15:58] <lsmith> lukas smith, used propel on my first symfony project,
since then i have been using and contributing to doctrine (actually
doctrine forked my PEAR::MDB2 package for the DBAL)
[15:58] <francois___> lsmith: your reputation precedes you ;)
[15:58] <v-dogg> hey, before we really get going, who's going to
publish the log?
[15:58] <francois___> is someone already recording this?
[15:59] <francois___> I will
[15:59] <Jarda> I'm always recording
[15:59] <pablodip> anyone here use doctrine? liars! :)
[15:59] <StephenMelrose> Aye
[15:59] <greg1> Hi
[15:59] <v-dogg> ok so at least Jarda has the backlog. we are good to
go
[15:59] <b00giZm> i guess jwage does ^^
[16:00] <francois___> Ok everyone, it's 10pm on my watch, I guess it's
time to begin
[16:00] <Phenix> let's go
[16:00] <francois___> Letme first say (write) a few words
[16:01] <francois___> It's only been a year since I took over Propel,
and I didn't expect to dedicate so much time to it
[16:01] <francois___> I didn't expect to make it move so much either
[16:01] <grEvenX> :)
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[16:01] <grEvenX> (but oh has it moved!)
[16:01] <francois___> To be honest, I toop Propel as a corpse, and
gave myslef the mission to help it have a soft death
[16:01] <francois___> today, that's not the question anymore
[16:02] <francois___> Propel is very much alive and has found (again)
a community of users and developers
[16:02] <b00giZm> (they call him the steve jobs of propel ;))
[16:02] <francois___> We could go on like this past year for a long
time
[16:03] <francois___> adding killer feature every two days,
refactoring the core without breaking BC, simplifying the life of
developers
[16:03] <francois___> but
[16:03] <francois___> the future is not Propel 1.x
[16:04] <francois___> the future is probably Symfony2, Zend
Framework2, Doctrine2, and all those Project2
[16:04] <francois___> So basically, we need a Propel 2
[16:04] <francois___> just for the sake of the number
[16:04] <francois___> (just kidding)
[16:04] <StephenMelrose> :)
[16:04] <avalanche123> :)
[16:04] <LvanderRee> agree I can create a branch ;)
[16:04] <grEvenX> hehe
[16:05] <francois___> When I took over the 1.x branch, someone else
took over the 2.x branch
[16:05] <francois___> no work has been done on this branch since
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[16:05] <francois___> So we are gathered here tonight
[16:05] <francois___> to discuss the future of Propel
[16:06] <francois___> what it should be, how it should be called, and
who should take care of it
[16:06] <francois___> I suggest that we all talk together now to give
our thoughts on the matter
[16:06] <francois___> because I'm feeling lonely :)
[16:06] <francois___> now shoot
[16:06] <Jarda> I'm not completely sure if we really need a 2.0
[16:07] <Jarda> you have done magical stuff with the 1.x branch
[16:07] <grEvenX> there were some "bold" ideas a year ago, and even
from earlier than that about what features should wait for Propel 2
[16:07] <Jarda> there must be a killer vision for 2.0
[16:07] <grEvenX> does anyone remember any of those suggested
features?
[16:07] <LvanderRee> I think we should cooperate more with doctrine in
a new version
[16:07] <StephenMelrose> But with more additions and BC 1.x becomes
bloated. Doctrine2 is already amazing performance wise. Propel needs
to step up to the place
[16:07] <francois___> Jarda: I'm sure we need it. People starting
projects today, with PHP 5.3, namespaces, closures and late static
binding will find Propel dated
[16:07] <v-dogg> Criteria2 was meant to be the killer thing for P2 but
current Query stuff is superior
[16:07] <annismckenzie> I can only attest to the quality and
thoughtfulness put into Propel 1.4 and up
[16:08] <LvanderRee> using its
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