Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel get better and get more users.
And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list ( http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned about
the time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours, where a
number of us reside, even though it is after European business hours.
Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United States
can participate?
Brandon
================================
Brandon J. Savage
bran...@brandonsavage.net
> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to
> leave the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch)
> and Sven Teitje (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do
> their best to help Propel get better and get more users.
> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is
> planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September
> 10th, at 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time).
> Please come there to explain your needs, offer your collaboration,
> discuss the project management, and meet the new project leaders. If
> you can't make it for the IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the
> propel development mailing-list (http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development > ).
> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
A meeting after 6pm US time is very late at night for us European, so it's
harder to organize. If there are numerous requests, we can arrange a second
meeting during the week-end for US devs. In the meantime, don't hesitate to
voice your opinion here.
François
2009/9/7 Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>
> I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned about the
> time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours, where a number of
> us reside, even though it is after European business hours.
> Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United States can
> participate?
> Brandon
> ================================
> Brandon J. Savage
> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. ~ Sophocles
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
> Dear Propel devs / users,
> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the
> project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for
> the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel
> get better and get more users.
> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned
> on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm
> West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to
> explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list (
> http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
That's certainly understandable. I would suggest, then, for future
meetings that they be held on weekends, to reduce the timezone issue.
Obviously if we have any developers in Australia or Asia that wouldn't
be of much use, but I can usually make a 2 pm meeting on a Saturday. :-)
Best,
Brandon
================================
Brandon J. Savage
bran...@brandonsavage.net
> A meeting after 6pm US time is very late at night for us European,
> so it's harder to organize. If there are numerous requests, we can
> arrange a second meeting during the week-end for US devs. In the
> meantime, don't hesitate to voice your opinion here.
> François
> 2009/9/7 Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>
> I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned
> about the time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours,
> where a number of us reside, even though it is after European
> business hours.
> Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United
> States can participate?
> Brandon
> ================================
> Brandon J. Savage
> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. ~ Sophocles
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
>> Dear Propel devs / users,
>> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to
>> leave the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch)
>> and Sven Teitje (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will
>> do their best to help Propel get better and get more users.
>> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is
>> planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September
>> 10th, at 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time).
>> Please come there to explain your needs, offer your collaboration,
>> discuss the project management, and meet the new project leaders.
>> If you can't make it for the IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the
>> propel development mailing-list (http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development >> ).
>> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
> François,
> That's certainly understandable. I would suggest, then, for future meetings
> that they be held on weekends, to reduce the timezone issue. Obviously if we
> have any developers in Australia or Asia that wouldn't be of much use, but I
> can usually make a 2 pm meeting on a Saturday. :-)
> Best,
> Brandon
> ================================
> Brandon J. Savage
> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something
> else is more important than fear." ~ Ambrose Redmoon
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
> A meeting after 6pm US time is very late at night for us European, so it's
> harder to organize. If there are numerous requests, we can arrange a second
> meeting during the week-end for US devs. In the meantime, don't hesitate to
> voice your opinion here.
> François
> 2009/9/7 Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>
>> I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned about the
>> time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours, where a number of
>> us reside, even though it is after European business hours.
>> Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United States can
>> participate?
>> Brandon
>> ================================
>> Brandon J. Savage
>> bran...@brandonsavage.net
>> Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. ~ Sophocles
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
>> Dear Propel devs / users,
>> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the
>> project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for
>> the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel
>> get better and get more users.
>> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned
>> on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm
>> West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to
>> explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
>> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
>> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list (
>> http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
>> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
I've been doing some work on Drupal for a few clients and actually kind of enjoy it - at least they have a pretty good structure and such. The one thing though that I don't enjoy is the database connection stuff they have implemented. Is it a dangerous idea to take propel (which I enjoy using) and use that, even if Drupal already has some database stuff in it? I can't imagine it would be, but I figured I'd get some other opinions in case there was something that I missed.
As a side note, who do I bug to help with propel? I've always got some time on my hands, and I'm comfortable with some fairly advanced PHP :) - might as well give something back to such an awesome product!
Sid Ferreira wrote: > What can we expect with this lead change?
hi sid,
you can expect: - a short term development und bug fixing in the 1.x branches - a long term pespective for propel 2.0
francois has deep experience with propel and symfony and i am a propel user since the begining of propel, so we know the strength, but also the weakness of propel.
propel 2.0 will be hard and long way, but we will start it this year -> i think from the scratch (we`ll discuss it on thursday)!
i`m looking forward to see & hear you in chat and to get your ideas for propel 1.x and 2.0!
Never tried using Drupal with Propel - if that's what you were implying.
As for giving a hand, there's a lot to do: sort and qualify tickets, review
patches, suggest enhancements, support users through groups and
mailing-lists, write documentation and use cases, fix bugs, add unit tests,
blog about Propel... I can think of a lot more.
Do you already have a trac account? If not, send me the username you'd like
offlist and I'll open you one. Also, you are welcome to come and discuss the
plan for the next 1.x release on Thursday, if you can make it.
François
2009/9/8 Stephen Liberty <step...@liberty-irm.com>
> I've been doing some work on Drupal for a few clients and actually kind
> of enjoy it - at least they have a pretty good structure and such. The
> one thing though that I don't enjoy is the database connection stuff
> they have implemented. Is it a dangerous idea to take propel (which I
> enjoy using) and use that, even if Drupal already has some database
> stuff in it? I can't imagine it would be, but I figured I'd get some
> other opinions in case there was something that I missed.
> As a side note, who do I bug to help with propel? I've always got some
> time on my hands, and I'm comfortable with some fairly advanced PHP :) -
> might as well give something back to such an awesome product!
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 14:12, Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>wrote:
>> François,
>> That's certainly understandable. I would suggest, then, for future
>> meetings that they be held on weekends, to reduce the timezone issue.
>> Obviously if we have any developers in Australia or Asia that wouldn't be of
>> much use, but I can usually make a 2 pm meeting on a Saturday. :-)
>> Best,
>> Brandon
>> ================================
>> Brandon J. Savage
>> bran...@brandonsavage.net
>> "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that
>> something else is more important than fear." ~ Ambrose Redmoon
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
>> Hi Brandon,
>> A meeting after 6pm US time is very late at night for us European, so it's
>> harder to organize. If there are numerous requests, we can arrange a second
>> meeting during the week-end for US devs. In the meantime, don't hesitate to
>> voice your opinion here.
>> François
>> 2009/9/7 Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>
>>> I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned about
>>> the time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours, where a number
>>> of us reside, even though it is after European business hours.
>>> Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United States
>>> can participate?
>>> Brandon
>>> ================================
>>> Brandon J. Savage
>>> bran...@brandonsavage.net
>>> Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. ~ Sophocles
>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
>>> Dear Propel devs / users,
>>> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave
>>> the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje
>>> (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help
>>> Propel get better and get more users.
>>> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is
>>> planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at
>>> 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there
>>> to explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
>>> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
>>> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list (
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
>>> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
Good to know Propel IS NOT DEAD, despite bad spirits would like us to
believe...
I'll try to give help and get involved in Propel development, simply
because I really think it's better than Doctrine (by performance,
extensibility, and no-magic) and I'dl like it to stay that way.
I've developed a few ideas in Symfony's nahoPropelOptimizerPlugin that
I'd like to propose ;) We'll see that in later messages.
I'll stay in touch in this group, and good luck !
On Sep 8, 8:59 am, Francois Zaninotto <fzanino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 14:12, Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>wrote:
> >> François,
> >> That's certainly understandable. I would suggest, then, for future
> >> meetings that they be held on weekends, to reduce the timezone issue.
> >> Obviously if we have any developers in Australia or Asia that wouldn't be of
> >> much use, but I can usually make a 2 pm meeting on a Saturday. :-)
> >> Best,
> >> Brandon
> >> ================================
> >> Brandon J. Savage
> >> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> >> "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that
> >> something else is more important than fear." ~ Ambrose Redmoon
> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
> >> Hi Brandon,
> >> A meeting after 6pm US time is very late at night for us European, so it's
> >> harder to organize. If there are numerous requests, we can arrange a second
> >> meeting during the week-end for US devs. In the meantime, don't hesitate to
> >> voice your opinion here.
> >> François
> >> 2009/9/7 Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>
> >>> I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned about
> >>> the time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours, where a number
> >>> of us reside, even though it is after European business hours.
> >>> Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United States
> >>> can participate?
> >>> Brandon
> >>> ================================
> >>> Brandon J. Savage
> >>> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> >>> Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. ~ Sophocles
> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
> >>> Dear Propel devs / users,
> >>> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave
> >>> the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje
> >>> (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help
> >>> Propel get better and get more users.
> >>> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is
> >>> planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at
> >>> 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there
> >>> to explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
> >>> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
> >>> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list (
> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
> >>> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
> > --
> > Sidney G B Ferreira
> > Desenvolvedor Web
I suggest you open a ticket in the Propel Trac for each of the issues your
nahoPropelOptimizerPlugin fixes, and link to the plugin in the ticket for
the solution. Do you have a Trac account?
> Good to know Propel IS NOT DEAD, despite bad spirits would like us to
> believe...
> I'll try to give help and get involved in Propel development, simply
> because I really think it's better than Doctrine (by performance,
> extensibility, and no-magic) and I'dl like it to stay that way.
> I've developed a few ideas in Symfony's nahoPropelOptimizerPlugin that
> I'd like to propose ;) We'll see that in later messages.
> I'll stay in touch in this group, and good luck !
> > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 14:12, Brandon Savage <
> bran...@brandonsavage.net>wrote:
> > >> François,
> > >> That's certainly understandable. I would suggest, then, for future
> > >> meetings that they be held on weekends, to reduce the timezone issue.
> > >> Obviously if we have any developers in Australia or Asia that wouldn't
> be of
> > >> much use, but I can usually make a 2 pm meeting on a Saturday. :-)
> > >> Best,
> > >> Brandon
> > >> ================================
> > >> Brandon J. Savage
> > >> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> > >> "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that
> > >> something else is more important than fear." ~ Ambrose Redmoon
> > >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
> > >> Hi Brandon,
> > >> A meeting after 6pm US time is very late at night for us European, so
> it's
> > >> harder to organize. If there are numerous requests, we can arrange a
> second
> > >> meeting during the week-end for US devs. In the meantime, don't
> hesitate to
> > >> voice your opinion here.
> > >> François
> > >> 2009/9/7 Brandon Savage <bran...@brandonsavage.net>
> > >>> I'm glad to see there's some movement on this, but I'm concerned
> about
> > >>> the time. The meeting takes place during U.S. business hours, where a
> number
> > >>> of us reside, even though it is after European business hours.
> > >>> Is there any way to do this when more of us based in the United
> States
> > >>> can participate?
> > >>> Brandon
> > >>> ================================
> > >>> Brandon J. Savage
> > >>> bran...@brandonsavage.net
> > >>> Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. ~ Sophocles
> > >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto wrote:
> > >>> Dear Propel devs / users,
> > >>> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to
> leave
> > >>> the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven
> Teitje
> > >>> (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to
> help
> > >>> Propel get better and get more users.
> > >>> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is
> > >>> planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September
> 10th, at
> > >>> 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please
> come there
> > >>> to explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
> > >>> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it
> for the
> > >>> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development
> mailing-list (
> > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
> > >>> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
> > > --
> > > Sidney G B Ferreira
> > > Desenvolvedor Web
> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the > project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for > the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel > get better and get more users.
> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned > on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm > West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to > explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project > management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the > IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list ( > http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
> I can't make this, I'll be traveling. If possible, please jot down minutes
> and post to wiki or have someone send a recap to the mailing lists.
> Thanks,
> --Tony
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto <fzanino...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Dear Propel devs / users,
>> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the
>> project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for
>> the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel
>> get better and get more users.
>> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned
>> on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm
>> West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to
>> explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
>> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
>> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list (
>> http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
>> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
that's GREAT NEWS! Seems like the shift to Doctrine is shaking things
up, and I'm glad that not everybody is abandoning the propel ship
because of it. I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys have in
store, and I'm looking to contribute where ever I can.
Have a great day,
rock on!
Daniel
On Sep 8, 4:43 am, Francois Zaninotto <fzanino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can't make this, I'll be traveling. If possible, please jot down minutes
> > and post to wiki or have someone send a recap to the mailing lists.
> > Thanks,
> > --Tony
> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Francois Zaninotto <fzanino...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> Dear Propel devs / users,
> >> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the
> >> project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for
> >> the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel
> >> get better and get more users.
> >> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned
> >> on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm
> >> West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to
> >> explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
> >> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
> >> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list (
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
> >> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
I'd like to contribute as well, but I have to say that I just don't
know, where I could contribute.
So I really like to see the roadmap for future releases. On basis of
the roadmap it should be possible to break down features into smaller
parts which can be implemented and contributed.
An Idea would be to send around a mail at the beginning of the month
with open points for which contributors are needed.
Best wishes to you
Benjamin
Am 07.09.2009 um 15:51 schrieb Francois Zaninotto:
> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to
> leave the project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch)
> and Sven Teitje (for the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do
> their best to help Propel get better and get more users.
> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is
> planned on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September
> 10th, at 8:00pm West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time).
> Please come there to explain your needs, offer your collaboration,
> discuss the project management, and meet the new project leaders. If
> you can't make it for the IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the
> propel development mailing-list (http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development > ).
> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
Tickets need prioritizing and qualification, which will be done in the
upcoming weeks. In the meantime, if you have some spare time, you are
welcome to pick up one ticket and help to fix it!
As for the roadmap, it will be discussed tomorrow during the IRC meeting.
Cheers,
François
2009/9/9 Benjamin Börngen-Schmidt <benja...@boerngen-schmidt.de>:
> Sweet to hear that propel ain't dead.
> I'd like to contribute as well, but I have to say that I just don't know,
> where I could contribute.
> So I really like to see the roadmap for future releases. On basis of the
> roadmap it should be possible to break down features into smaller parts
> which can be implemented and contributed.
> An Idea would be to send around a mail at the beginning of the month with
> open points for which contributors are needed.
> Best wishes to you
> Benjamin
> Am 07.09.2009 um 15:51 schrieb Francois Zaninotto:
> Dear Propel devs / users,
> Hans Lellelid, current lead of the Propel project, has agreed to leave the
> project keys to François Zaninotto (for the 1.x branch) and Sven Teitje (for
> the 2.x branch). Both François and Sven will do their best to help Propel
> get better and get more users.
> And because you probably all have lots of ideas, an IRC meeting is planned
> on the #propel channel on freenode on Thursday, September 10th, at 8:00pm
> West European Time (that's 2:00pm East Coast time). Please come there to
> explain your needs, offer your collaboration, discuss the project
> management, and meet the new project leaders. If you can't make it for the
> IRC meeting, don't hesitate to use the propel development mailing-list
> (http://groups.google.com/group/propel-development).
> François Zaninotto (francois) and Sven Teitje (tiddy)
