I've been working on a java version of a power tab file (.ptb) reader for the past two months. I think I've gotten far enough along to post an alpha release. I've done some preliminary testing and it parses the few power tab files I've tried it on. This does not mean that there aren't any bugs, or that the code is totally finished.
I'll post the source code as well as a binary jar file on my website this evening at http://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb/. Feel free to download it and try it out. I'd appreciate any feedback you may have. This includes bugs as well as suggestions for making the code better, whether it be in design, naming conventions, methods you'd like added \removed, etc. Just about anything as long as its constructive.
My e-mail address is listed on the website, so e-mail me your comments and bug reports.
I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 15035. An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 15471. An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 15856. An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 15868. Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. Then it would be easier for us.
> I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > file position 15035. > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > position 15471. > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > file position 15856. > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > position 15868. > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > Then it would be easier for us.
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > post the code this evening.
> You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > just haven't sat down and done it. > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > 1.70 ptb files.
> On Jul 11, 11:34 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > file position 15035. > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > position 15471. > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > file position 15856. > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > position 15868. > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > Then it would be easier for us.
I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. It was able to read them all in. So go ahead and download it at http://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
On Jul 13, 6:49 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okie... > I will download the code and continue testing. > so will u set up subversion?? > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> thx > H
> On Jul 12, 3:14 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > post the code this evening.
> > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > On Jul 11, 11:34 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > file position 15035. > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > position 15471. > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > file position 15856. > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > position 15868. > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > Thanks > > > Herak
> > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
I will go ahead and download it. I have been away for a while so could not test much.. Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an simple example It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
Thanks and great work Hirak
On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > It was able to read them all in. > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> On Jul 13, 6:49 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Okie... > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > so will u set up subversion?? > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > thx > > H
> > On Jul 12, 3:14 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > post the code this evening.
> > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > file position 15035. > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > position 15471. > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > file position 15856. > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > position 15868. > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > Thanks > > > > Herak
> > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
I will go ahead and download it. I have been away for a while so could not test much.. Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an simple example It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
Thanks and great work Hirak
On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > It was able to read them all in. > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> On Jul 13, 6:49 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Okie... > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > so will u set up subversion?? > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > thx > > H
> > On Jul 12, 3:14 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > post the code this evening.
> > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > file position 15035. > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > position 15471. > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > file position 15856. > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > position 15868. > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > Thanks > > > > Herak
> > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the header is. The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in turn make calls to other classes load() methods. Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it contains, and so on. The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and it results in very small files.
On Jul 22, 7:11 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will go ahead and download it. > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > simple example > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> Thanks and great work > Hirak
> On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > It was able to read them all in. > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > On Jul 13, 6:49 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Okie... > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > thx > > > H
> > > On Jul 12, 3:14 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > file position 15035. > > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > position 15471. > > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > file position 15856. > > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > position 15868. > > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > > Thanks > > > > > Herak
> > > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it in.
I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a crossroads. I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 version. If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its release, whenever that happens to be. Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd like or accept help from others, etc. I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
On Jul 24, 8:01 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > header is. > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > contains, and so on. > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > it results in very small files.
> On Jul 22, 7:11 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I will go ahead and download it. > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > simple example > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > Thanks and great work > > Hirak
> > On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > Okie... > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > thx > > > > H
> > > > On Jul 12, 3:14 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > file position 15035. > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > position 15471. > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > file position 15856. > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > position 15868. > > > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Herak
> > > > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
"In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% certain of the software's demise."
Product Info: "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
Brad
On Jul 26, 11:30 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > in.
> I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > crossroads. > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > version. > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > release, whenever that happens to be. > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > like or accept help from others, etc. > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> On Jul 24, 8:01 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > header is. > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > contains, and so on. > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > it results in very small files.
> > On Jul 22, 7:11 am, Hirak <herak....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > simple example > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > Thanks and great work > > > Hirak
> > > On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > Okie... > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > file position 15035. > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > position 15471. > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > file position 15856. > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > position 15868. > > > > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Herak
> > > > > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
Thanks for answering. I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything.
>From other postings I've seen on the web over the past few years and
others that I've talked to, I know that I'm not the only one who was wondering what was going on with power tab. I had poked around on the website looking for information on this, and didn't find it. I have to admit I didn't see the postings you mentioned, which is indeed my fault.
And you're absolutely right. Writing a power tab file importer\converter is very easy compared with writing an editor. Its an enormous effort to write a tab editor and get all the millions of details right, which is why I've never done it and also because you had done such a great job of it already. I'd be hard pressed to match the quality and all the features of the power tab editor.
I can imagine it must get quite tiring to answer the same question about the next version of power tab over and over again. One suggestion I have, is that if you have gotten this question 100,00 times, it might be beneficial to put that statement on the main page of the website where everyone can see it. It is true that the information is there in the knowlege base article and the product info as you pointed out, if you've gotten the question so many times, then it the reality is that people aren't finding it. Putting it on the main page somewhere would both save you from the headache of having to answer it yet again as well as letting people know . Just a suggestion. Again, just trying to be helpful.
Anyway, sorry if you were offended by my post. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Just wanted to find out what was going on with power tab.
On Jul 29, 6:08 am, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > certain of the software's demise."
> Product Info: > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> Brad
> On Jul 26, 11:30 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > in.
> > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > crossroads. > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > version. > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > On Jul 24, 8:01 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > header is. > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > contains, and so on. > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > simple example > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > Thanks and great work > > > > Hirak
> > > > On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > > Okie... > > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > > > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > > file position 15035. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > > position 15471. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > > file position 15856. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > > position 15868. > > > > > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > > > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > > > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Herak
> > > > > > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
Joneric, I had the same question about a year ago when I finished my parser. I think you should finish it with write support. PTE will probably have support for previous versions. Rumor has it that the new v2.0 format will not be bit-based. (rather XML - like) So while we have the massive amount of support for the v1.x versions why not finish the task?
I also understand your questions about v2.0. The long and short of it is you can't rush an artist. (It's done when it's done) Still, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some beta code. (The screenshots that appeared online 4 years ago were a tease, and left us all in perplexity.)
On Jul 29, 9:08 am, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > certain of the software's demise."
> Product Info: > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> Brad
> On Jul 26, 11:30 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > in.
> > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > crossroads. > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > version. > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > On Jul 24, 8:01 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > header is. > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > contains, and so on. > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > simple example > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > Thanks and great work > > > > Hirak
> > > > On Jul 18, 1:17 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > > Okie... > > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > > > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > > file position 15035. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > > position 15471. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > > file position 15856. > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > > position 15868. > > > > > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > > > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > > > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Herak
> > > > > > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
I didn't take it as you being a jerk, and I wasn't offended by your post.
I've tried to make as visible as possible to get people to the KB for all questions, not just about 2.0. There is a link in the top left of the home page (supposedly a "hot spot" according to Google) to get to the KB search engine. The search engine itself has been custom written so that I can track what people are searching for and adjust the weight of the keywords based on those results. It has actually worked quite well as the repeat questions have declined greatly over the last few years, while traffic to the Web site has actually increased. Adding the "Most Popular Help Articles" links has also boosted the traffic to the KB. I have a whole new plan involving the KB that I'm hoping to launch that I think is going to be cool.
As far as people in forums and on the Web posting the project is dead - the same thing happened in the comments of the 2.0 KB article when I had comment enabled articles. So the reality is, short of the actual release itself, nothing is going to stop people from writing that type of stuff.
Brad
On Jul 30, 1:48 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for answering. > I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything.
> >From other postings I've seen on the web over the past few years and
> others that I've talked to, > I know that I'm not the only one who was wondering what was going on > with power tab. > I had poked around on the website looking for information on this, and > didn't find it. > I have to admit I didn't see the postings you mentioned, which is > indeed my fault.
> And you're absolutely right. > Writing a power tab file importer\converter is very easy compared with > writing an editor. > Its an enormous effort to write a tab editor and get all the millions > of details right, which is > why I've never done it and also because you had done such a great job > of it already. > I'd be hard pressed to match the quality and all the features of the > power tab editor.
> I can imagine it must get quite tiring to answer the same question > about the next version of power tab over and over again. > One suggestion I have, is that if you have gotten this question 100,00 > times, it might be beneficial to put that statement > on the main page of the website where everyone can see it. It is true > that the information is there in the knowlege base article > and the product info as you pointed out, if you've gotten the question > so many times, then it the reality is that people aren't finding it. > Putting it on the main page somewhere would both save you from the > headache of having to answer it yet again as well as letting people > know . > Just a suggestion. Again, just trying to be helpful.
> Anyway, sorry if you were offended by my post. > Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Just wanted to > find out what was going on with power tab.
> On Jul 29, 6:08 am, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> > The reason I don't talk about is simple - I've already answered it > > 100,000 times.
> > "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > > certain of the software's demise."
> > Product Info: > > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> > As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> > Brad
> > On Jul 26, 11:30 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > > in.
> > > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > > crossroads. > > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > > version. > > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > > On Jul 24, 8:01 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > > header is. > > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > > contains, and so on. > > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > > simple example > > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > > > Okie... > > > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
> > > > > > > > > I downloaded the ptb reader and I got followig stacktrace. > > > > > > > > > com.beaglebuddy.ptb.utility.PTBFileException: An error occurred while > > > > > > > > > reading a score from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file position 236. > > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a system from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > > > file position 15035. > > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a staff from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > > > position 15471. > > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a position from call_of_ktulu.ptb at > > > > > > > > > file position 15856. > > > > > > > > > An error occurred while reading a note from call_of_ktulu.ptb at file > > > > > > > > > position 15868. > > > > > > > > > Invalid fret number 27. It must be between 0 and 24. > > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBScore.load(PTBScore.java:242) > > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.load(PTBFile.java:127) > > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.<init>(PTBFile.java:64) > > > > > > > > > at com.beaglebuddy.ptb.PTBFile.main(PTBFile.java:150)
> > > > > > > > > It seems that the somehow PTB allowed 27 frets ??
> > > > > > > > > It would be great if we can set up a version control like subversion > > > > > > > > > and issue tracker like bugzilla or something. > > > > > > > > > Then it would be easier for us.
> > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Herak
> > > > > > > > > p.s i will attach the the file which I tested
Since I've got the reading of ptb files completed, I've been thinking lately about doing the writing part. But, I've also been thinking about maybe doing a web based viewer as well. The web based viewer is certainly the more exciting project to work on :-) Anyway, I started looking at the code to get an idea of how hard it would be. To say the least, it is a non trivial task.
The first question I have is about positions. Although each staff has an array of high and low voice positions, these are the musical positions (which can be a rest, a single note, or a chord). Each musical Position, has a "position" data member, which is the drawing position on the screen. My questions about drawing positions are: 1. Are drawing positions based on the system (section), and hence are the same for every staff in the system (section)? Or are drawing positions particular to each individual staff within the section? 2. Can you give some insight in to how to determine how many drawing positions there are for a given measure and\or staff? The total number of drawing positions for a staff does not seem to be saved with the file, but rather is calculated somehow at runtime.
Thanks.
On Jul 30, 8:54 pm, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> I didn't take it as you being a jerk, and I wasn't offended by your > post.
> I've tried to make as visible as possible to get people to the KB for > all questions, not just about 2.0. There is a link in the top left of > the home page (supposedly a "hot spot" according to Google) to get to > the KB search engine. The search engine itself has been custom written > so that I can track what people are searching for and adjust the > weight of the keywords based on those results. It has actually worked > quite well as the repeat questions have declined greatly over the last > few years, while traffic to the Web site has actually increased. > Adding the "Most Popular Help Articles" links has also boosted the > traffic to the KB. I have a whole new plan involving the KB that I'm > hoping to launch that I think is going to be cool.
> As far as people in forums and on the Web posting the project is dead > - the same thing happened in the comments of the 2.0 KB article when > I had comment enabled articles. So the reality is, short of the actual > release itself, nothing is going to stop people from writing that type > of stuff.
> Brad
> On Jul 30, 1:48 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for answering. > > I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything.
> > >From other postings I've seen on the web over the past few years and
> > others that I've talked to, > > I know that I'm not the only one who was wondering what was going on > > with power tab. > > I had poked around on the website looking for information on this, and > > didn't find it. > > I have to admit I didn't see the postings you mentioned, which is > > indeed my fault.
> > And you're absolutely right. > > Writing a power tab file importer\converter is very easy compared with > > writing an editor. > > Its an enormous effort to write a tab editor and get all the millions > > of details right, which is > > why I've never done it and also because you had done such a great job > > of it already. > > I'd be hard pressed to match the quality and all the features of the > > power tab editor.
> > I can imagine it must get quite tiring to answer the same question > > about the next version of power tab over and over again. > > One suggestion I have, is that if you have gotten this question 100,00 > > times, it might be beneficial to put that statement > > on the main page of the website where everyone can see it. It is true > > that the information is there in the knowlege base article > > and the product info as you pointed out, if you've gotten the question > > so many times, then it the reality is that people aren't finding it. > > Putting it on the main page somewhere would both save you from the > > headache of having to answer it yet again as well as letting people > > know . > > Just a suggestion. Again, just trying to be helpful.
> > Anyway, sorry if you were offended by my post. > > Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Just wanted to > > find out what was going on with power tab.
> > On Jul 29, 6:08 am, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> > > The reason I don't talk about is simple - I've already answered it > > > 100,000 times.
> > > "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > > > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > > > certain of the software's demise."
> > > Product Info: > > > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > > > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> > > As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > > > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > > > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > > > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> > > Brad
> > > On Jul 26, 11:30 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > > > in.
> > > > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > > > crossroads. > > > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > > > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > > > version. > > > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > > > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > > > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > > > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > > > On Jul 24, 8:01 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > > > header is. > > > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > > > contains, and so on. > > > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > > > simple example > > > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > > > Thanks and great work > > > > > > Hirak
> > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > > > > Okie... > > > > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since I've got the reading of ptb files completed, I've been thinking > lately about doing the writing part. > But, I've also been thinking about maybe doing a web based viewer as > well. > The web based viewer is certainly the more exciting project to work > on :-) > Anyway, I started looking at the code to get an idea of how hard it > would be. > To say the least, it is a non trivial task.
> The first question I have is about positions. > Although each staff has an array of high and low voice positions, > these are the musical positions (which can be a rest, a single note, > or a chord). > Each musical Position, has a "position" data member, which is the > drawing position on the screen. > My questions about drawing positions are: > 1. Are drawing positions based on the system (section), and hence are > the same for every staff in the system (section)? > Or are drawing positions particular to each individual staff > within the section? > 2. Can you give some insight in to how to determine how many drawing > positions there are for a given measure and\or staff? > The total number of drawing positions for a staff does not seem to > be saved with the file, but rather is calculated somehow at runtime.
> Thanks.
> On Jul 30, 8:54 pm, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> > I didn't take it as you being a jerk, and I wasn't offended by your > > post.
> > I've tried to make as visible as possible to get people to the KB for > > all questions, not just about 2.0. There is a link in the top left of > > the home page (supposedly a "hot spot" according to Google) to get to > > the KB search engine. The search engine itself has been custom written > > so that I can track what people are searching for and adjust the > > weight of the keywords based on those results. It has actually worked > > quite well as the repeat questions have declined greatly over the last > > few years, while traffic to the Web site has actually increased. > > Adding the "Most Popular Help Articles" links has also boosted the > > traffic to the KB. I have a whole new plan involving the KB that I'm > > hoping to launch that I think is going to be cool.
> > As far as people in forums and on the Web posting the project is dead > > - the same thing happened in the comments of the 2.0 KB article when > > I had comment enabled articles. So the reality is, short of the actual > > release itself, nothing is going to stop people from writing that type > > of stuff.
> > Brad
> > On Jul 30, 1:48 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for answering. > > > I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything.
> > > >From other postings I've seen on the web over the past few years and
> > > others that I've talked to, > > > I know that I'm not the only one who was wondering what was going on > > > with power tab. > > > I had poked around on the website looking for information on this, and > > > didn't find it. > > > I have to admit I didn't see the postings you mentioned, which is > > > indeed my fault.
> > > And you're absolutely right. > > > Writing a power tab file importer\converter is very easy compared with > > > writing an editor. > > > Its an enormous effort to write a tab editor and get all the millions > > > of details right, which is > > > why I've never done it and also because you had done such a great job > > > of it already. > > > I'd be hard pressed to match the quality and all the features of the > > > power tab editor.
> > > I can imagine it must get quite tiring to answer the same question > > > about the next version of power tab over and over again. > > > One suggestion I have, is that if you have gotten this question 100,00 > > > times, it might be beneficial to put that statement > > > on the main page of the website where everyone can see it. It is true > > > that the information is there in the knowlege base article > > > and the product info as you pointed out, if you've gotten the question > > > so many times, then it the reality is that people aren't finding it. > > > Putting it on the main page somewhere would both save you from the > > > headache of having to answer it yet again as well as letting people > > > know . > > > Just a suggestion. Again, just trying to be helpful.
> > > Anyway, sorry if you were offended by my post. > > > Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Just wanted to > > > find out what was going on with power tab.
> > > > "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > > > > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > > > > certain of the software's demise."
> > > > Product Info: > > > > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > > > > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> > > > As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > > > > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > > > > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > > > > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> > > > Brad
> > > > On Jul 26, 11:30 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > > > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > > > > in.
> > > > > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > > > > crossroads. > > > > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > > > > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > > > > version. > > > > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > > > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > > > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > > > > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > > > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > > > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > > > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > > > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > > > > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > > > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > > > > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > > > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > > > > header is. > > > > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > > > > contains, and so on. > > > > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > > > > simple example > > > > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > > > > Thanks and great work > > > > > > > Hirak
> > > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > > > > > Okie... > > > > > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
> > > > > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I fixed the bug you are referring to today, and two others, and will > > > > > > > > > > post the code this evening.
> > > > > > > > > > You're right, about the bug tracking and subversion repository, but I > > > > > > > > > > just haven't sat down and done it. > > > > > > > > > > I've been too busy working on the code :-)
> > > > > > > > > > Hopefully with these fixes, you should be able to read 80-90% of all > > > > > > > > > > 1.70 ptb files.
Its quite a difficult problem to do what the score polisher does. So I'm not surprised that brad does not want to release the code for it. It must have taken a lot of effort and time to write the algorithm for laying out the drawing of the music.
That being the case, I think I might do the file writing part and forget about the drawing for now at least.
On Sep 24, 9:14 am, "allpowert...@gmail.com" <allpowert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 12:15 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Since I've got the reading of ptb files completed, I've been thinking > > lately about doing the writing part. > > But, I've also been thinking about maybe doing a web based viewer as > > well. > > The web based viewer is certainly the more exciting project to work > > on :-) > > Anyway, I started looking at the code to get an idea of how hard it > > would be. > > To say the least, it is a non trivial task.
> > The first question I have is about positions. > > Although each staff has an array of high and low voice positions, > > these are the musical positions (which can be a rest, a single note, > > or a chord). > > Each musical Position, has a "position" data member, which is the > > drawing position on the screen. > > My questions about drawing positions are: > > 1. Are drawing positions based on the system (section), and hence are > > the same for every staff in the system (section)? > > Or are drawing positions particular to each individual staff > > within the section? > > 2. Can you give some insight in to how to determine how many drawing > > positions there are for a given measure and\or staff? > > The total number of drawing positions for a staff does not seem to > > be saved with the file, but rather is calculated somehow at runtime.
> > Thanks.
> > On Jul 30, 8:54 pm, Dummy <dummy...@power-tab.net> wrote:
> > > I didn't take it as you being a jerk, and I wasn't offended by your > > > post.
> > > I've tried to make as visible as possible to get people to the KB for > > > all questions, not just about 2.0. There is a link in the top left of > > > the home page (supposedly a "hot spot" according to Google) to get to > > > the KB search engine. The search engine itself has been custom written > > > so that I can track what people are searching for and adjust the > > > weight of the keywords based on those results. It has actually worked > > > quite well as the repeat questions have declined greatly over the last > > > few years, while traffic to the Web site has actually increased. > > > Adding the "Most Popular Help Articles" links has also boosted the > > > traffic to the KB. I have a whole new plan involving the KB that I'm > > > hoping to launch that I think is going to be cool.
> > > As far as people in forums and on the Web posting the project is dead > > > - the same thing happened in the comments of the 2.0 KB article when > > > I had comment enabled articles. So the reality is, short of the actual > > > release itself, nothing is going to stop people from writing that type > > > of stuff.
> > > Brad
> > > On Jul 30, 1:48 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for answering. > > > > I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything.
> > > > >From other postings I've seen on the web over the past few years and
> > > > others that I've talked to, > > > > I know that I'm not the only one who was wondering what was going on > > > > with power tab. > > > > I had poked around on the website looking for information on this, and > > > > didn't find it. > > > > I have to admit I didn't see the postings you mentioned, which is > > > > indeed my fault.
> > > > And you're absolutely right. > > > > Writing a power tab file importer\converter is very easy compared with > > > > writing an editor. > > > > Its an enormous effort to write a tab editor and get all the millions > > > > of details right, which is > > > > why I've never done it and also because you had done such a great job > > > > of it already. > > > > I'd be hard pressed to match the quality and all the features of the > > > > power tab editor.
> > > > I can imagine it must get quite tiring to answer the same question > > > > about the next version of power tab over and over again. > > > > One suggestion I have, is that if you have gotten this question 100,00 > > > > times, it might be beneficial to put that statement > > > > on the main page of the website where everyone can see it. It is true > > > > that the information is there in the knowlege base article > > > > and the product info as you pointed out, if you've gotten the question > > > > so many times, then it the reality is that people aren't finding it. > > > > Putting it on the main page somewhere would both save you from the > > > > headache of having to answer it yet again as well as letting people > > > > know . > > > > Just a suggestion. Again, just trying to be helpful.
> > > > Anyway, sorry if you were offended by my post. > > > > Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Just wanted to > > > > find out what was going on with power tab.
> > > > > "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > > > > > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > > > > > certain of the software's demise."
> > > > > Product Info: > > > > > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > > > > > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> > > > > As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > > > > > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > > > > > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > > > > > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > > > > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > > > > > in.
> > > > > > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > > > > > crossroads. > > > > > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > > > > > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > > > > > version. > > > > > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > > > > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > > > > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > > > > > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > > > > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > > > > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > > > > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > > > > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > > > > > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > > > > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > > > > > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > > > > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > > > > > header is. > > > > > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > > > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > > > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > > > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > > > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > > > > > contains, and so on. > > > > > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > > > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > > > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > > > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > > > > > simple example > > > > > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > > > > > Thanks and great work > > > > > > > > Hirak
> > > > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've successfully tested the current version of the java power tab > > > > > > > > > reader on about 600 exisiting .ptb files. > > > > > > > > > It was able to read them all in. > > > > > > > > > So go ahead and download it athttp://www.beaglebuddy.com/ptb.
> > > > > > > > > > Okie... > > > > > > > > > > I will download the code and continue testing. > > > > > > > > > > so will u set up subversion?? > > > > > > > > > > please do it , it will be most helpful for the community.
FYI most of the coordinates for the power tab elements are stored in the power tab file. (MFC Rect) So you don't have to figure out a lot of the drawing. (Except for the musical notation. Which could be optional.)
On Oct 2, 9:28 am, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
<joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Its quite a difficult problem to do what the score polisher does. > So I'm not surprised that brad does not want to release the code for > it. > It must have taken a lot of effort and time to write the algorithm for > laying out the drawing of the music.
> That being the case, I think I might do the file writing part and > forget about the drawing for now at least.
> On Sep 24, 9:14 am, "allpowert...@gmail.com" <allpowert...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 12:15 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since I've got the reading of ptb files completed, I've been thinking > > > lately about doing the writing part. > > > But, I've also been thinking about maybe doing a web based viewer as > > > well. > > > The web based viewer is certainly the more exciting project to work > > > on :-) > > > Anyway, I started looking at the code to get an idea of how hard it > > > would be. > > > To say the least, it is a non trivial task.
> > > The first question I have is about positions. > > > Although each staff has an array of high and low voice positions, > > > these are the musical positions (which can be a rest, a single note, > > > or a chord). > > > Each musical Position, has a "position" data member, which is the > > > drawing position on the screen. > > > My questions about drawing positions are: > > > 1. Are drawing positions based on the system (section), and hence are > > > the same for every staff in the system (section)? > > > Or are drawing positions particular to each individual staff > > > within the section? > > > 2. Can you give some insight in to how to determine how many drawing > > > positions there are for a given measure and\or staff? > > > The total number of drawing positions for a staff does not seem to > > > be saved with the file, but rather is calculated somehow at runtime.
> > > > I didn't take it as you being a jerk, and I wasn't offended by your > > > > post.
> > > > I've tried to make as visible as possible to get people to the KB for > > > > all questions, not just about 2.0. There is a link in the top left of > > > > the home page (supposedly a "hot spot" according to Google) to get to > > > > the KB search engine. The search engine itself has been custom written > > > > so that I can track what people are searching for and adjust the > > > > weight of the keywords based on those results. It has actually worked > > > > quite well as the repeat questions have declined greatly over the last > > > > few years, while traffic to the Web site has actually increased. > > > > Adding the "Most Popular Help Articles" links has also boosted the > > > > traffic to the KB. I have a whole new plan involving the KB that I'm > > > > hoping to launch that I think is going to be cool.
> > > > As far as people in forums and on the Web posting the project is dead > > > > - the same thing happened in the comments of the 2.0 KB article when > > > > I had comment enabled articles. So the reality is, short of the actual > > > > release itself, nothing is going to stop people from writing that type > > > > of stuff.
> > > > Brad
> > > > On Jul 30, 1:48 pm, "joneric_wennerst...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for answering. > > > > > I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything.
> > > > > >From other postings I've seen on the web over the past few years and
> > > > > others that I've talked to, > > > > > I know that I'm not the only one who was wondering what was going on > > > > > with power tab. > > > > > I had poked around on the website looking for information on this, and > > > > > didn't find it. > > > > > I have to admit I didn't see the postings you mentioned, which is > > > > > indeed my fault.
> > > > > And you're absolutely right. > > > > > Writing a power tab file importer\converter is very easy compared with > > > > > writing an editor. > > > > > Its an enormous effort to write a tab editor and get all the millions > > > > > of details right, which is > > > > > why I've never done it and also because you had done such a great job > > > > > of it already. > > > > > I'd be hard pressed to match the quality and all the features of the > > > > > power tab editor.
> > > > > I can imagine it must get quite tiring to answer the same question > > > > > about the next version of power tab over and over again. > > > > > One suggestion I have, is that if you have gotten this question 100,00 > > > > > times, it might be beneficial to put that statement > > > > > on the main page of the website where everyone can see it. It is true > > > > > that the information is there in the knowlege base article > > > > > and the product info as you pointed out, if you've gotten the question > > > > > so many times, then it the reality is that people aren't finding it. > > > > > Putting it on the main page somewhere would both save you from the > > > > > headache of having to answer it yet again as well as letting people > > > > > know . > > > > > Just a suggestion. Again, just trying to be helpful.
> > > > > Anyway, sorry if you were offended by my post. > > > > > Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. Just wanted to > > > > > find out what was going on with power tab.
> > > > > > "In the event that production on this software ceases, a message will > > > > > > be posted to the main page of the Web site so that users will be 100% > > > > > > certain of the software's demise."
> > > > > > Product Info: > > > > > > "In the event that the project dies, a message will be posted so that > > > > > > users aren't left in limbo. Currently the project status is active."
> > > > > > As far as your dilemma - perhaps a better approach is to design your > > > > > > own tab format/editor. That way you'll never get tied down to worrying > > > > > > about the status of PT. It's much easier to write PT import/conversion > > > > > > code than write an entire PT reader/player/writer.
> > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I had sent in another post, but its been a few days and I don't see it > > > > > > > in the forums so I'll submit this posting in hopes that it makes it > > > > > > > in.
> > > > > > > I've pretty much finished the java ptb file reader, and am now at a > > > > > > > crossroads. > > > > > > > I can continue on and do the writer part of it next, or stop here.
> > > > > > > The deciding factor is whether brad is working on the now infamous 2.0 > > > > > > > version. > > > > > > > If so, then I won't spend any more time on this, and will wait for its > > > > > > > release, whenever that happens to be. > > > > > > > Otherwise, I'll continue on with the java version.
> > > > > > > Brad seems very reluctant to discuss anything about the 2.0 version. > > > > > > > Whether he's working on it, whether he's abandoned it, whether he'd > > > > > > > like or accept help from others, etc. > > > > > > > I don't understand his reasons for not wanting to talk about it, so > > > > > > > all anyone can do is respect his decision and accept the situation.
> > > > > > > I would very much like to see the next version of power tab happen, as > > > > > > > I'm sure so would thousands of other users.
> > > > > > > I hope this post makes it into the forums, and that Brad will resolve > > > > > > > the questions surrounding the 2.0 version.
> > > > > > > <joneric.wennerst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The format of a .ptb file is not composed of fixed fields like the > > > > > > > > header is. > > > > > > > > The best way to see the format is to start with the PTBFile class, and > > > > > > > > look at the load(PTPFileInputStream file) method. > > > > > > > > It makes repeated calls to other ptb classes load() methods, which in > > > > > > > > turn make calls to other classes load() methods. > > > > > > > > Basically, each ptb class calls the load() method on the classes it > > > > > > > > contains, and so on. > > > > > > > > The file format that brad came up with is actually quite clever and > > > > > > > > very difficult to understand once you spend a few minutes with it, and > > > > > > > > it results in very small files.
> > > > > > > > > I will go ahead and download it. > > > > > > > > > I have been away for a while so could not test much.. > > > > > > > > > Can you provide a basic documentation about the format of the file, > > > > > > > > > especially the relationships of score,notes,attributes etc with an > > > > > > > > > simple example > > > > > > > > > It would be helpful for testing and contributing.
> > > > > > > > > Thanks and great work > > > > > > > > > Hirak
