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coolspeed  
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:15:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
同志们,我知道你们都厉害。可现在时代变了,C++依然坚挺不假,但C++完美的信仰已动摇。现在开始学C++可真是需要勇气的。我对于C++没有“既
投入”,所以在选择上本无需那么粘质。我是真的觉得C++好。
请告诉我,我需要多少勇气?
最好能再给列一列您认为最好的书目顺序(和数量)。

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Jian Wang  
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:44:20 +0800
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
我虽然从开始职业生涯,就一直是C++,也热爱C++。但是我还是想说C++没什么好。
选择C++的项目,都是无可奈何的选择。从学习的角度来看,学C++付出大于收获。

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安德尔斯  
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:57:13 +0800
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

不要管C++如何,只要自己喜欢,觉得它值得你去学习,学就是了,至于付出大于回报,还是不要考虑了,想回报高,去金融市场看看吧。
所以支持楼主努力学习C++!

至于好书列表,看这个,这里面的书要是能掌握一半,就已经很厉害了。
http://www.verycd.com/groups/datum/24717.topic

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coolspeed  
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 More options Mar 12 2008, 7:55 am
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
呃。。。。。。。。。。。(凄鸣----)
热爱C++的也这么说.....
现在在各种牛人的博客中也越来越得不到对自己真正有用的建议了。因为他们选择C++的时候C++可没这么困难和坚辛来着。

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pongba  
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:07:33 +0800
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

说实话,既然你在考虑成本和收益比例,那么其实你应该考虑另一个更重要的问题了:是不是应该学习编程。或者更大的:是不是应该混IT。

如果是出于热爱,那么成本收益的考虑就不那么重要。如果是出于利益,那么就要拿出分析的样子,仔细考虑一些重大的利益矛盾:)

2008/3/12 coolspeed <jinxiongl...@gmail.com>:

> 同志们,我知道你们都厉害。可现在时代变了,C++依然坚挺不假,但C++完美的信仰已动摇。现在开始学C++可真是需要勇气的。我对于C++没有"既
> 投入",所以在选择上本无需那么粘质。我是真的觉得C++好。
> 请告诉我,我需要多少勇气?
> 最好能再给列一列您认为最好的书目顺序(和数量)。

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Jian Wang  
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
我之所以这么说,是因为学习编程本身需要学习大量的知识。
而一个人的精力是有限的。在学习C++的过程中大部分的时间是在学习如何解决非本质的复杂性。应此我觉得不值的。
如非必要,不如去学习一些更有价值的东西。

当然了,如果不靠编程为生,只是作为业余爱好的话,那么学什么都无所谓了。

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Jian Wang  
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
我觉得楼主本身在犹豫,所以才会发这样的帖子。
另外,楼主是应为觉得C++好,才学习C++。那么,我想说的是对于没有学过C++的人来说,未必能正确判断出C++究竟好不好。应此当他觉C++其实没那么好 的时候,,不就会后悔了吗?

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pongba  
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2008/3/12 Jian Wang <oxygen.jian.w...@gmail.com>:

> 我之所以这么说,是因为学习编程本身需要学习大量的知识。

呃……我那个是对coolspeed说的,wang兄不要误解:)

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
是呀,如果纯粹考虑成本和收益,编程本身都未必是最好选择。想好了自己喜欢什么,擅长什么,能从什么得到回报,就不要考虑太多"他们选择C++的时候C
++可没这么困难和坚辛"了。

给个现实的例子。俺五十八岁的老母亲退休在家,这个月刚学会Java的SWT和JFace,现在开始摸Python,每天一两个小程序玩得不亦乐乎,她
老人家说:“就是那么回事,搞明白基本的机制,剩下都是语法细节,用的时候到书上查,到网上google就可以了”

呵呵,恕我直言,只不过是一门编程语言,别搞得和苦行僧出家一样,如果真的那么痛苦不学也罢,学了也不容易学好:)

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王宁  
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

学习不需要勇气,只需要目标和时间:首先搞清楚是业余爱好,还是工作需要;想成为解决问题的高手,还是熟悉语言细节的专家。一天八小时,或者一周两小时,都能学 习C++,都能解决问题,多寡而已。弄清楚目标,安排好时间,可多可少,丰简由人。
必读:
http://norvig.com/21-days.html
Accelerated C++ (简单,清晰,入门不容易有挫败感)
C++ Coding Standard
The C++ Programming Language (无须读完,收藏一份,随手翻翻即可)

选读:
不知道。好书甚多,时间太少。

建议:
多写代码。

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Wei Sun  
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:39:38 +0800
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
干点什么都比搞编程挣钱,另外,如果你到了某个单位(这是大多数人的路子),你只能学习单位需要的东西,而不是你需要的,自己斟酌吧。

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王磊  
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:49:16 +0800
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

也来说说。
你需要的不是勇气而是耐心,另外问问自己到底为什么学C++,相赚钱就去干别的,性价比还是金融贸易好一些。IT就是付出=金钱+自我满足。所以不会赚钱那么乐 观。

C++ 我只推荐C++ primer
别的书等你看完这个就知道看什么了吧。当然前提是你有一定语言基础,不然这本书就是个骗子,书名翻译是C++初级读本。。。作者是个骗子。

另外不用考虑C++地位之云云,就算有1万门语言,你学好C++只要做编程都会受益一生的。

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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

这位老妈妈真的好时尚……

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拜一下……

我妈自己摸索着会上bbs留言,会google,我就觉得很强了……

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五十八岁的老母亲退休在家,这个月刚学会Java的SWT和JFace,现在开始摸Python,
--------真是厉害!

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确实

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确实很强啊!!!!!!!!!

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> 是呀,如果纯粹考虑成本和收益,编程本身都未必是最好选择。想好了自己喜欢什么,擅长什么,能从什么得到回报,就不要考虑太多"他们选择C++的时候C
> ++可没这么困难和坚辛"了。

> 给个现实的例子。俺五十八岁的老母亲退休在家,这个月刚学会Java的SWT和JFace,现在开始摸Python,每天一两个小程序玩得不亦乐乎,她
> 老人家说:"就是那么回事,搞明白基本的机制,剩下都是语法细节,用的时候到书上查,到网上google就可以了"

这个绝对要膜拜一下哈!:O)

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王磊  
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:32:51 +0800
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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

神阿,你们说以后会不会大规模的让老年人来做开发呢?:(
我们会不会都失业阿。。。。

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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

都是被炒作给忽悠到了 恕我直言 这几天我也一直在想一些问题 觉得很无奈

有些东西你是不能去靠别人说给你听的 要靠自己去体会 我用C++ 写嵌入式浏览器的引擎和移动终端解决方案
C++写久了  其他的语言 例如 Ruby Python 。。。。 等等 可以很快的就掌握了 这是我自己的体会

楼主这种疑问 估计是受了舆论的炒作所致
大家都看《程序员》吧 都时不时上CSDN吧 大家可以看看 最近这几起杂志 和 网站上的东西 实在是不敢恭维
我觉得现在的《程序员》和CSDN 说的难听点 就是捧臭脚的
时不时的比较一下Ruby 程序员和Java程序员的 薪水 再不就是找几个人来 鼓吹 自己 多么的艰辛

要知道 每个Programmer都很艰辛 都很累 试想 一个CEO或是公司技术骨干 整天拿个Blog写来写去 写的还都是技术以外的东西 能有什么大作为

劝楼主还是别去听别人瞎说 搞技术的任何语言都一样 但是C++是基础 必学无疑!

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Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

c++是基础必学无疑的结论是如何得出的?虽然偶基本只用c++写过商业程序

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偶想认个干妈,能否引荐一下呀~~~

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From: red...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:39:18 +0800
Local: Wed, Mar 12 2008 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
我一个同学的老妈, 自己开同学留在家的电脑, 自己学会了电脑操作, 上网, 邮
件, 据说还学了一些做图, 我已经很佩服了, 这位老人家, 嗯, 偶像啊偶像啊.

如果每个老人家都愿意这么玩, 什么老人痴呆症就不会存在啦 :)


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njin  
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From: njin <njin.c...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:46:10 +0800
Local: Wed, Mar 12 2008 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气
也进来膜拜一下。。。。。
推荐老年大学新开设课程:程序设计~~~~~

在 08-3-13,red...@gmail.com<red...@gmail.com> 写道:

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From: "Anders x. Hu" <anders.x...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:34:10 +0800
Local: Wed, Mar 12 2008 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: [TopLanguage] Re: 我要开始学C++,我需要多少勇气

顶起。。。

2008/3/12 wangleh...@gmail.com <wangleh...@gmail.com>:

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