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Again, common words have common meaning and no amount of turgid spinning =
can change that.

Shawn


On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Terry Goodman wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Shawn O'Brien wrote:
>=20
>> Excuse me.  First, the NES says it's the PNB's job to extend =
deadlines,=20
> <snip>
>=20
> This reads far more into the terse comment "I don't make the call"
> than was there.  If the NES was referring to the bylaws timeline
> "making the call" regarding the nomination close date, then there was
> no implication that the PNB could do so.  There is no clear bylaws
> authority for the PNB changing election-related dates except "in the
> year preceding Delegate elections... by November 30..." (Art. 4, Sec.
> 5, as amended), but the PNB has previously interpreted certain dates
> in bylaws as being "of the nature of rules of order" that may be
> suspended by a 2/3rds vote.  I don't know that this was legal, but
> there is the precedent.
>=20
> The NES language "if there is a need to extend beyond what the Bylaws
> dictate, then we will deal with that reality and make logical
> extensions" is similarly vague as to the identity of the "we" making
> extensions. =20
>=20
> Understanding that the PNB usually doesn't meet frequently enough to
> be consulted on such immediate questions, previous National Election
> Supervisors have extended deadlines on their own authority.  This was
> before the timeline amendment of Article Four, which arguably limits
> the PNB's authority over the timeline whenever "the schedule... cannot
> be executed due to exigent circumstances" by its specificity.  If I'm
> remembering the rule correctly, when something in bylaws is
> specifically permitted, other things of the same class are normally
> interpreted as prohibited. This is precisely why an extention of the
> election close date beyond the specifically permistted two weeks is
> arguably illegal under our bylaws.
>=20
> Recognizing the serious nature of any bylaws violation in the context
> of her job description, which presumably includes the phrase "to
> confirm said elections' compliance with these Bylaws" from the job
> description in Article Four, Section 4(A), Renee may not have given up
> on seeking PNB ratification of such a decision if an insufficient
> number of nominations demonstrates its necessity when the deadline
> specified in the bylaws is reached.
>=20
> Alternatively, the word "we" from the NES might mean the NES herself
> in consulation with the Local Election Supervisors. =20
>=20
> If the PNB wants to maximize its opportunity to be consulted by the
> NES on this issue, then it should schedule a PNB meeting for a day or
> two after the nomination close date.  If it does not, then the PNB
> Elections Committee might want to do so. The committtee does not have
> authority to suspend a bylaws date, but it could register its support
> for or dissent from an NES decision to do so or not do so, especially
> if such a vote is requested by the NES.=20
>=20
> --Terry Goodman