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Bill Crosier  
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From: Bill Crosier <k...@crosierbiomed.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:32:57 -0500
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Article 4, section 5 of the Pacifica Bylaws specifies the election timeline.

For anyone wanting to extend the nominations deadline, please read that section of the Bylaws and tell us how we can do so without violating them.  I don't see how we can.

For anyone who does not have a copy handy, the bylaws are at http://kewg.org

I suggest we help our LESs publicize the elections and individually work to recruit candidates who are interested in helping Pacifica and our stations to grow stronger financially and to get more listeners and members.  We all should have been doing that for the last few months, anyway.

Bill

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:49:53 -0700
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All,

We extend deadlines all the time.  If we had Les Radke's report as required by the bylaws -- no one seems upset at this blatant violation -- we'd see that deadlines were surly moved last year by the NES.  

And the NES's response below should give the PNB pause for serious thought.  I mean, really, if the NES is suppose to be autonomous and independent, common sense dictates that she "makes the call".

Of course, common sense is just one of the things that's been in short supply around here lately.

Enough said,

Shawn

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
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I believe that deadlines have been moved several times not only for deadlines for packets,to allow for more candidates. The deadline for ballots was changed twice as well, memory serving,to allow more ballots
to be returned to allow us to meet quorum on elections as well. It might be a good idea to extend the date given the fact that the LESs were not hired until recently, IMHO.
   
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Renee Asteria  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:46:55 -0700
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Hello,

My job as National Election Supervisor is to ensure that there are no Bylaws
violations. So far we are on schedule - no violations have occurred.

- On June 1st the Nomination Phase opened
- LES's where hired and in place
- All Nomination packages where complete and available
- Webpage was complete

Come midnight, June 30th, if there is a need to extend beyond what the
Bylaws dictate, then we will deal with that reality and make logical
extensions.

Renee

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:59:36 -0700
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Excuse me.  First, the NES says it's the PNB's job to extend deadlines, now it appears to be her's again.  Besides asking the question: Which is it?  I contend that, at a minimum, the NES has delegated that authority to the PNB and we should act on it.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:02:49 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:546] Re: the nomination period
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I beg to differ with you.
1.  Part of the "Nomination Phase opening" means that the nomination packets
are on line.  This is yet to happen in  the KPFK Station area, so the
nomination phase has not opened here yet.
2.  Part of the Nomination Phase Opening" is publicizing the fact that the
nomination phase has opened to the membership, via the airwaves, meaning
carts, announcements, etc.  -- it seems that this *began* happening this
last weekend, June 12th.
3.  I'm also unaware of the time & location of the petition signing parties
which the information states will be held.
4.  Not to be too picky, & I haven't read all of the information on line,
but it certainly does not speak well for us when the second paragraph says
(& here I have merely cut and pasted):
*Submit your at least 1 of your statements*
*Immediately (see page 5) in electronic*
*format (email, .doc, .txt, .pdf)*
*to the Local Election Supervisor so we*
*can post it on Pacificaelections2010.org*
*and begin promoting your campaign!*
KPFK LOCAL STATION BOARD LISTENER-CANDIDATE NOMINATION PACKAGE
1
 that I see

So, we are already behind and haven't really started here in L.A.

It seems to me that

Jan Goodman
(310) 458-7213 or (310) 729-2394

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Carolyn Birden  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:09:51 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:543] Re: the nomination period
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Changing the deadlines is not without precedent, and the many, many
problems at several stations should provide ample justification for
anyone requiring it.

Carolyn

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From: Jan Goodman <janjer...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:19:23 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:549] Re: the nomination period
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Why wasn't Michael Sanchez re-hired at KPFK as the LES?
I heard (3rd hand) that at some point somebody at KPFK wanted him to do
something for the station and he asked if doing that job would jeopardize
his ability to be the LES again, and he was told, "No, it wouldn't be a
problem".

then, when he applied to become the LES again, that he was knocked out
because he did exactly what he had been cleared to do.

Michael Sanchez was the most competent, calm, thoughtful LES that KPFK ever
had, and if the above is true, the NES, & everyone else involved should do
whatever is possible to rectify the situation and get him into this crucial
postition.
Jan Goodman
(310) 458-7213 or (310) 729-2394

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Russell Dale  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:29:31 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:549] Re: the nomination period
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June 15, 2010

Carolyn,

    The only reasons you give in your initial letter about this for
extending the nomination period are (1) that the LESs should be given more
time to get up to speed with the required processes, (2) that YOU are
"under-whelmed" by the on-air announcements, and (3) that people will sue if
they are not elected.

    (1) The Bylaws don't state that people hired as LESs should be perfectly
familiar with all the processes involved with an election.  They just need
to be competent to do them, and we all always must give the benefit of the
doubt to the NES that she has chosen competent LESs.  I see no reason not to
be confident that this has occurred this year.

    (2) I have heard some of the on-air carts about the elections and I have
thought they were very very well done, especially given the short time that
Nichole Justice-Hylton has been on as LES at WBAI.

    (3) If the Bylaws-stipulated time line for the election is being
followed, and it is, then nobody will have any legal ground for suing the
foundation in this regard.

    My personal opinion right now, which I am willing to change given
reasonable argument, is that we should stick to the deadline the Bylaws
stipulates, which is 30 days after the opening of nominations on June 1.

--Russell Dale
WBAI LSB

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Shawn Casey O'Brien  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:45:27 -0700
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For the record, what the Bylaws say is: The local elections supervisors preferably should be experienced with election procedures and supervision.  To my knowledge, that isn't true in a single case here.

Talk about opening ourselves up to legal liability.

Shawn

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Renee Asteria  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:46:51 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:545] Re: the nomination period
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Hello,

It is the PNB who creates the Bylaws. It is my job to make sure the
elections are run in compliance with the Bylaws. I will NOT violate the
Bylaws unless absolutely necessary. So far no violations have occured and
there is no reason to extend the election.

Renee

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Renee Asteria  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:48:54 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:552] Re: the nomination period
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All LES's have experience in elections and/or supervision. "Preferably" is
not a synonym of "must".

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Shawn Casey O'Brien  
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And what would that experience be?  As I did not see mention of it in their "resumes".

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Melinda Iley-Dohn  
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:555] Re: the nomination period
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In all fairness to Renee and our respective LESs, let us not forget that our elections time line is running behind schedule. here is the link to the section pertaining to the elections.

http://kewg.org/bylaws/art4.html

These people are contractors whose positions are only for the period of the elections.
Let's stand behind Renee and our local elections supervisors to help in any way possible
so we can have a good clean election with large pools of candidates ready to carry
Pacifica forward.

Thanks,
Melinda

   
 Melinda Iley-Dohn
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759
 
          

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From: Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:555] Re: the nomination period
To: "Renee Asteria" <n...@pacifica.org>
Cc: "Russell Dale" <russelleliotd...@gmail.com>, "Carolyn Birden" <cmcb...@earthlink.net>, "Bill aCrosier" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>, pnb_elections@googlegroups.com, "Pacifica National Board PNB a" <p...@pacifica.org>, "Ricardo de Anda" <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>, "kpft electons" <les_k...@pacifica.org>, "Grace Aaron" <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 6:55 PM

And what would that experience be?  As I did not see mention of it in their "resumes".
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Renee Asteria wrote:
All LES's have experience in elections and/or supervision. "Preferably" is not a synonym of "must".

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net> wrote:

For the record, what the Bylaws say is: The local elections supervisors preferably should be experienced with
election procedures and supervision.  To my knowledge, that isn't true in a single case here. 
Talk about opening ourselves up to legal liability.

Shawn
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Russell Dale wrote:
June 15, 2010

Carolyn,

    The only reasons you give in your initial letter about this for extending the nomination period are (1) that the LESs should be given more time to get up to speed with the required processes, (2) that YOU are "under-whelmed" by the on-air announcements, and (3) that people will sue if they are not elected.

    (1) The Bylaws don't state that people hired as LESs should be perfectly familiar with all the processes involved with an election.  They just need to be competent to do them, and we all always must give the benefit of the doubt to the NES that she has chosen competent LESs.  I see no reason not to be confident that this has occurred this year.

    (2) I have heard some of the on-air carts about the elections and I have thought they were very very well done, especially given the short time that Nichole Justice-Hylton has been on as LES at WBAI.

    (3) If the Bylaws-stipulated time line for the election is being followed, and it is, then nobody will have any legal ground for suing the foundation in this regard.

    My personal opinion right now, which I am willing to change given reasonable argument, is that we should stick to the deadline the Bylaws stipulates, which is 30 days after the opening of nominations on June 1.

--Russell Dale
WBAI LSB

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Carolyn Birden <cmcb...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Changing the deadlines is not without precedent, and the many, many problems at several stations should provide ample justification for anyone requiring it.

Carolyn

At 2:32 PM -0500 6/15/10, Bill Crosier wrote:

Article 4, section 5 of the Pacifica Bylaws specifies the election timeline.

For anyone wanting to extend the nominations deadline, please read that section of the Bylaws and tell us how we can do so without violating them.  I don't see how we can.

For anyone who does not have a copy handy, the bylaws are at http://kewg.org

I suggest we help our LESs publicize the elections and individually work to recruit candidates who are interested in helping Pacifica and our stations to grow stronger financially and to get more listeners and members.  We all should have been doing that for the last few months, anyway.

Bill

At 11:33 AM -0700 6/15/10, Renee Asteria wrote:

Hello,

The nomination phase is in full force right now. We will do our best with the time we have. I don't make the call.

Renee

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Richard Uzzell <<mailto:richard_uzzel...@hotmail.com>richard_uzzel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think moving the deadline to July 31 would help at all stations. Who makes this call? NES???

Richard

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To: <mailto:p...@pacifica.org>p...@pacifica.org

Subject: Fw: request to extend the nomination period

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:19:52 -0700

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Shawn Casey O'Brien  
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What experience?

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:545] Re: the nomination period
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Per the By-Laws, the Executive Director hires the National Elections Supervisor to work as a contractor. Iderally the NES position should be filled in March because they then have to hire the Local Election Supervisors. The PNB is not involved in the running of elections. It is done entirely by independant contractors.

Check this section of the By-Laws. It explains everyrthing. We have been running behind schedule this is why things got started late.

http://kewg.org/bylaws/art4sec4.html
   
 Melinda Iley-Dohn
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759
 
          

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From: Kim Kaufman <kim.kauf...@att.net>
Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:545] Re: the nomination period
To: "'Shawn Casey O'Brien'" <irish...@verizon.net>, "'Renee Asteria'" <n...@pacifica.org>
Cc: "'Melinda Iley-Dohn'" <iley_d...@yahoo.com>, "'Bill Crosier'" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>, pnb_elections@googlegroups.com, "'Pacifica National Board PNB a'" <p...@pacifica.org>, "'Ricardo de Anda'" <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>, "'kpft electons'" <les_k...@pacifica.org>, "'Grace Aaron'" <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>, "'KPFK LSB'" <l...@kpfk.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:06 PM

I, too, am confused by
Renee’s lack of clarity on who is in charge – she or the PNB. 
I would think Renee is in charge of making appropriate decisions in order to
run a good and fair and open election and make sure they are run properly.  That
is her job description.   However, I would like to know the
following:   

  

-         
On June 1st the Nomination Phase
opened

  

When did carts announcing the election and soliciting candidates
go on the air?  How many times per day at each station?  I heard my
first election cart this past Sunday – 6/13 and have heard a total of one
more since then (and we are in the middle of fund drive so I can’t say I’m
listening as much as usual – nor, I suspect, is anyone else – just another
issue to deal with).  The day before I had heard two that were confusing
but did seem to request people go on-line to take a survey of e-voting for the
2012 election.  I still don’t know what this is about and why they’re
playing at all not to mention NOW when we are trying to solicit candidates from
our listeners.   

  

-         
LES's where hired and in place

  

How *were*
people made aware the les was “hired and in place”?   

  

- All Nomination packages where complete and available

  

That’s nice –
but *were* potential listener
candidates made aware of this?  Or even board members?  How?   

  

-         
Webpage was complete

  

Again… who knew and
how?   And why is the website soliciting emails from people who want
an election package?  What are the plans for using these emails?   

  

Kim

What Is An
Emergency? Afghanistan Or Our Children?

From: Shawn Casey
O'Brien [mailto:irish...@verizon.net]

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:00
PM

To: Renee Asteria

Cc: Melinda Iley-Dohn; Bill Crosier;
pnb_elections@googlegroups.com; Pacifica National Board PNB a; Ricardo de Anda;
kpft electons; Grace Aaron ; KPFK LSB

Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:545]
Re: the nomination period

  

  

Excuse me.  First, the NES says it's the PNB's job to extend
deadlines, now it appears to be her's again.  Besides asking the question:
Which is it?  I contend that, at a minimum, the NES has delegated that
authority to the PNB and we should act on it.

  

Shawn

On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Renee Asteria wrote:

Hello,

My job as National Election Supervisor is to ensure that there are no Bylaws
violations. So far we are on schedule - no violations have occurred.

- On June 1st the Nomination Phase opened

- LES's where hired and in place

- All Nomination packages where complete and available

- Webpage was complete

Come midnight, June 30th, if there is a need to extend beyond what the Bylaws
dictate, then we will deal with that reality and make logical extensions.

Renee

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Melinda Iley-Dohn <iley_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I believe that deadlines have been moved several times not only for
deadlines for packets,to allow for more candidates. The deadline for ballots
was changed twice as well, memory serving,to allow more ballots

to be returned to allow us to meet quorum on elections as well. It might be a
good idea to extend the date given the fact that the LESs were not hired until
recently, IMHO.

 

 Melinda Iley-Dohn

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania
1759

 

          

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net>
> Subject: [PNB_Elections:544] Re: the nomination period
> To: "Bill Crosier" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>
> Cc: pnb_elections@googlegroups.com,

"Pacifica National Board PNB" <p...@pacifica.org>,
"Ricardo de Anda" <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>,
"kpft electons" <les_k...@pacifica.org>,
" Grace Aaron " <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>, "KPFK
LSB" <l...@kpfk.org>

and our stations to grow stronger

Or Our Children?

> >> From: Lila G [mailto:<mailto:lilagarr...@roadrunner.com>lilagarr...@roadrunner.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:05 AM
> >> To: Grace Aaron ; Kim

Kaufman

<mailto:graceaa...@ca.rr.com><mailto:graceaa...@ca.rr.com>

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From: Carolyn Birden <cmcb...@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:08:51 -0400
Local: Tues, Jun 15 2010 9:08 pm
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Russell,

Your arguments tell me that you miss a good deal of the purpose of
the elections, which is not to stick to a timeline, but to engage
listeners and give them the opportunity to nominate someone, join the
station so they vote, and execute their rights as members to
participate in the process.  They can't do that if they don't know
the process is ongoing, and most don't.

This is not Renee's fault, or Nichole's (in WBAI), but is due to the
process this year.  When the PNB EC was considering hiring an outside
firm to take on much of the work of the elections, we agreed that we
needed a person, or a company, or both, with experience running
contentious elections, and we sought out people with experience
running union elections, those being the most contentious and thus
the best training for Pacifica's.  We also tried to find people
familiar with STV/Choice voting: not an easy job.  As Shawn Casey
O'Brien points out, the Bylaws say "The local elections supervisors
preferably should be experienced with election procedures and
supervision."   This year there was evidently not enough time to
address these desiderata,  to search for the kind of experience that
in past years we had considered ideal.  Nevertheless, we now need to
give the supervisors time to catch up, figure out what they need to
know, and move ahead.  Failing that, I believe we may be
disadvantaging both members and candidates.

At the moment the listeners are the losers:  they haven't been
encouraged nearly enough  to join before June 30th.  They don't know
what the governing board does.  The don't know how to become
candidates, if that is what they want to do, or how to work with the
station to help the elections go smoothly. (How many stations have
already formed their LES's election committee?, or put carts on the
air around the clock beginning June 1?)   This is an educational
process, and because LESs were hired so late in the game, and are not
familiar with the routines from having been part of the process in
previous years, the listeners are not going to be taught much of what
they need to know in order to become engaged, and vote.  It is not a
question of good will or basic organizational competence, and I don't
think you should make that the issue: there just has not been enough
time for even the most experienced of supervisors to put into motion
what the voters need to vote intelligently.   Many will not bother to
vote in a process from which they have been removed, I'm afraid.

So while we may stick to the timeline, and congratulate ourselves on
that, we may not make quorum because too few voting members bother to
become engaged in the process:  the result?  The elections may have
to be delayed anyway.

If you look at the complaints at other stations, and look at the
delays in posting information, disseminating it, publicizing the
process, and creating forums and fliers, the people who will be most
likely to run and vote are those who know the drill from past years.
New members, likely members, new candidates, prospective members
trying to find out why they should join the station, will be left far
behind, and we will have the sameold sameold candidates and
participants unless we give ourselves a little more time and a lot
more energy.  The incumbents will be advantaged, the newcomers left
out of the process, and the foundation will not benefit from new
blood, the members and candidates who could be engaged if there were
more weeks in which to work.

Sixteen (16) members of the Committee to Strengthen KPFK signed a
petition to the NES asking for a July 31st deadline for nominations:
they point out that carts and announcements should have been running
on air since June 1st, which they have not (here or there).  The also
make the following points:

"Most critically, extending the nomination timeline will allow
stations to avoid the conflicting demands on staff and listeners
posed by fund drives at KPFK, KPFA, and WBAI. With an extended
deadline, the stations will be able to provide broad and compelling
public notice, both on air and online, of the election process and
the invitation for listener members to nominate themselves as
candidates. It will also provide inexperienced Local Election
Supervisors more time to conduct fair and representative elections.
Further, it will give all parties more time to make certain that the
election process conforms to all bylaws and protocols in order to
protect stations and the network against potential legal challenges."

Proper notice, advertising, on- and off-air forums, are all legal
requirements that can be met if we extend the timeline. I agree that
it should be extended.

Carolyn

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From: Russell Dale <russelleliotd...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:33:17 -0400
Local: Tues, Jun 15 2010 10:33 pm
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June 15, 2010

Carolyn,

    I understand that you feel there is not enough time under the framework
provided for us by the Bylaws.  Your arguments, however, are arguments for
changing the Bylaws, not for extending the period we are obligated as
fiduciaries of Pacifica to keep to.  We should generally stick to the Bylaws
until we agree as a group to change them.

--Russell

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
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Russell,

In the period since 2004 we have had several times that we had to change the dates
such as a low return of ballots and there have been years where we had fewer than
enough candidates to fill the positions available. This has always been the duty of the
National Elections Supervisor to make this determination.

 As Renee has pointed out, she are going to be waiting till  after July 30, the deadline that we are given as the standard. At that time, if we need more time, she will make that decision. This is part of her duties. It sounds like Renee has everything in good order.
So far so good.
   
 Melinda Iley-Dohn
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759
 
          

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, Russell Dale <russelleliotd...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Russell Dale <russelleliotd...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:560] Re: the nomination period
To: "Carolyn Birden" <cmcb...@earthlink.net>
Cc: "Bill Crosier" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>, pnb_elections@googlegroups.com, p...@pacifica.org, "Ricardo de Anda" <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>, "kpft electons" <les_k...@pacifica.org>, "Grace Aaron" <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>, "Joseph Wanzala" <wanz...@gmail.com>, wbaielecti...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 9:33 PM

June 15, 2010

Carolyn,

    I understand that you feel there is not enough time under the framework provided for us by the Bylaws.  Your arguments, however, are arguments for changing the Bylaws, not for extending the period we are obligated as fiduciaries of Pacifica to keep to.  We should generally stick to the Bylaws until we agree as a group to change them.

--Russell

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Carolyn Birden <cmcb...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Russell,

Your arguments tell me that you miss a good deal of the purpose
of the elections, which is not to stick to a timeline, but to engage
listeners and give them the opportunity to nominate someone, join the
station so they vote, and execute their rights as members to
participate in the process.  They can't do that if they don't
know the process is ongoing, and most don't.

This is not Renee's fault, or Nichole's (in WBAI), but is due to
the process this year.  When the PNB EC was considering hiring an
outside firm to take on much of the work of the elections, we agreed
that we needed a person, or a company, or both, with experience
running contentious elections, and we sought out people with
experience running union elections, those being the most contentious
and thus the best training for Pacifica's.  We also tried to find
people familiar with STV/Choice voting: not an easy job.  As
Shawn Casey O'Brien points out, the Bylaws say "The local elections supervisors preferably should be
experienced with election procedures and
supervision."   This year there was
evidently not enough time to address these desiderata,  to search
for the kind of experience that in past years we had considered
ideal.  Nevertheless, we now need to give the supervisors time to
catch up, figure out what they need to know, and move ahead. 
Failing that, I believe we may be disadvantaging both members and
candidates.

At the moment the listeners are the losers:  they haven't
been encouraged nearly enough  to join before June 30th. 
They don't know what the governing board does.  The don't know
how to become candidates, if that is what they want to do, or how to
work with the station to help the elections go smoothly. (How many
stations have already formed their LES's election committee?, or put
carts on the air around the clock beginning June 1?)   This
is an educational process, and because LESs were hired so late in the
game, and are not familiar with the routines from having been part of
the process in previous years, the listeners are not going to be
taught much of what they need to know in order to become engaged, and
vote.  It is not a question of good will or basic organizational
competence, and I don't think you should make that the issue: there
just has not been enough time for even the most experienced of
supervisors to put into motion what the voters need to vote
intelligently.   Many will not bother to vote in a process
from which they have been removed, I'm afraid.

So while we may stick to the timeline, and congratulate ourselves
on that, we may not make quorum because too few voting members bother
to become engaged in the process:  the result?  The
elections may have to be delayed anyway.

If you look at the complaints at other stations, and look at the
delays in posting information, disseminating it, publicizing the
process, and creating forums and fliers, the people who will be most
likely to run and vote are those who know the drill from past years. 
New members, likely members, new candidates, prospective members
trying to find out why they should join the station, will be left far
behind, and we will have the sameold sameold candidates and
participants unless we give ourselves a little more time and a lot
more energy.  The incumbents will be advantaged, the newcomers
left out of the process, and the foundation will not benefit from new
blood, the members and candidates who could be engaged if there were
more weeks in which to work. 

Sixteen (16) members of the Committee to Strengthen KPFK signed a
petition to the NES asking for a July 31st deadline for nominations: 
they point out that carts and announcements should have been running
on air since June 1st, which they have not (here or there).  The
also make the following points:

"Most critically, extending the nomination timeline
will allow stations to avoid the conflicting demands on staff and
listeners posed by fund drives at KPFK, KPFA, and WBAI. With an
extended deadline, the stations will be able to provide broad and
compelling public notice, both on air and online, of the election
process and the invitation for listener members to nominate themselves
as candidates. It will also provide inexperienced Local Election
Supervisors more time to conduct fair and representative elections.
Further, it will give all parties more time to make certain that the
election process conforms to all bylaws and protocols in order to
protect stations and the network against potential legal
challenges."

Proper notice, advertising, on- and off-air forums, are all legal
requirements that can be met if we extend the timeline. I agree that
it should be extended.

Carolyn 

At 7:29 PM -0400 6/15/10, Russell Dale wrote:
June 15, 2010

Carolyn,

    The only reasons you give in your initial letter
about this for extending the nomination period are (1) that the LESs
should be given more time to get up to speed with the required
processes, (2) that YOU are "under-whelmed" by the on-air
announcements, and (3) that people will sue if they are not
elected.

    (1) The Bylaws don't state that people hired as
LESs should be perfectly familiar with all the processes involved with
an election.  They just need to be competent to do them, and we
all always must give the benefit of the doubt to the NES that she has
chosen competent LESs.  I see no reason not to be confident that
this has occurred this year.

    (2) I have heard some of the on-air carts about the
elections and I have thought they were very very well done, especially
given the short time that Nichole Justice-Hylton has been on as LES at
WBAI.

    (3) If the Bylaws-stipulated time line for the
election is being followed, and it is, then nobody will have any legal
ground for suing the foundation in this regard.

    My personal opinion right now, which I am willing
to change given reasonable argument, is that we should stick to the
deadline the Bylaws stipulates, which is 30 days after the opening of
nominations on June 1.

--Russell Dale

WBAI LSB

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Carolyn
Birden <cmcb...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Changing the deadlines is not without precedent, and the
many, many problems at several stations should provide ample
justification for anyone requiring it.

Carolyn

At 2:32 PM -0500 6/15/10, Bill Crosier wrote:

Article 4, section 5 of the Pacifica Bylaws specifies the
election timeline.

For anyone wanting to extend the nominations deadline, please read
that section of the Bylaws and tell us how we can do so without
violating them.  I don't see how we can.

For anyone who does not have a copy handy, the bylaws are at http://kewg.org

I suggest we help our LESs publicize the elections and individually
work to recruit candidates who are interested in helping Pacifica and
our stations to grow stronger financially and to get more listeners
and members.  We all should have been doing that for the last few
months, anyway.

Bill

At 11:33 AM -0700 6/15/10, Renee Asteria wrote:

Hello,

The nomination phase is in full force right now. We will do our best
with the time we have. I don't make the call.

Renee

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Richard Uzzell <<mailto:richard_uzzel...@hotmail.com>richard_uzzel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think moving the deadline to July 31 would help at all stations. Who
makes this call? NES???

Richard

From: <mailto:graceaa...@ca.rr.com>graceaa...@ca.rr.com

To: <mailto:p...@pacifica.org>p...@pacifica.org

Subject: Fw: request to extend the nomination period

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:19:52 -0700

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From: Russell Dale <russelleliotd...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:56:40 -0400
Local: Tues, Jun 15 2010 10:56 pm
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June 15, 2010

Dear Melinda,

    Thank you for the information.  I will keep it in mind.

    I didn't think the issue Ms. Birden had raised was so much about quorum,
though, as about her having a sense that there won't be enough candidates
given the June 30 deadline for nominations.  That seems like quite a
different issue.

    Quorum by the voters is one issue, and whether or not we should extend
the nomination period is another, isn't it?

Yours,
Russell

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
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I don't know what the exact date is but frankly at this point we need to move forward. I have been a part of elections when we had a iED instead a fully involved ED. This is a huge improvement. As our NES is a contractor we need to have a full time ED to assist when
issues arise from our local station elections. With Pacifica, it is always when not if.

We need to remember that the By-Laws were written as a clean slate without any means of knowing that we would find ourselves with this many forest fires for our ED to face as
the election time line rolled around. Arlene has had four out of five GMs to hire, a national audit and  more headaches than Tylenol can handle.

This election is Arlene and Rene's baby now. I have worked in two of the past elections and I think that we are off to a good start from what I am seeing thus far.

 Melinda Iley-Dohn
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759
 
          

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, Kim Kaufman <kim.kauf...@att.net> wrote:

From: Kim Kaufman <kim.kauf...@att.net>
Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:545] Re: the nomination period
To: "'Melinda Iley-Dohn'" <iley_d...@yahoo.com>, "'Shawn Casey O'Brien'" <irish...@verizon.net>, "'Renee Asteria'" <n...@pacifica.org>
Cc: "'Bill Crosier'" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>, pnb_elections@googlegroups.com, "'Pacifica National Board PNB a'" <p...@pacifica.org>, "'Ricardo de Anda'" <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>, "'kpft electons'" <les_k...@pacifica.org>, "'Grace Aaron'" <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>, "'KPFK LSB'" <l...@kpfk.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:29 PM

So what was the date
of Renee’s hire?   

  

Kim

What Is An
Emergency? Afghanistan Or Our Children?

From: Melinda
Iley-Dohn [mailto:iley_d...@yahoo.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:39
PM

To: 'Shawn Casey O'Brien'; 'Renee
Asteria'; Kim Kaufman

Cc: 'Bill Crosier';
pnb_elections@googlegroups.com; 'Pacifica National Board PNB a'; 'Ricardo de
Anda'; 'kpft electons'; ' Grace Aaron ';
'KPFK LSB'

Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:545]
Re: the nomination period

  

  Per the By-Laws, the Executive Director hires the
  National Elections Supervisor to work as a contractor. Iderally the NES
  position should be filled in March because they then have to hire the Local
  Election Supervisors. The PNB is not involved in the running of elections. It
  is done entirely by independant contractors.

  Check this section of the By-Laws. It explains everyrthing. We have been
  running behind schedule this is why things got started late.

  http://kewg.org/bylaws/art4sec4.html

     

    
  Melinda Iley-Dohn

  Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little
  temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

  Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania
  1759

   
    

     

     

     
   
     

   

  --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Kim Kaufman <kim.kauf...@att.net>

  wrote:

  From: Kim Kaufman <kim.kauf...@att.net>

  Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:545] Re: the nomination period

  To: "'Shawn Casey O'Brien'" <irish...@verizon.net>,
  "'Renee Asteria'" <n...@pacifica.org>

  Cc: "'Melinda Iley-Dohn'" <iley_d...@yahoo.com>, "'Bill
  Crosier'" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>,
  pnb_elections@googlegroups.com, "' Pacifica
  National Board PNB a'" <p...@pacifica.org>, "'Ricardo de
  Anda'" <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>, "'kpft
  electons'" <les_k...@pacifica.org>, "' Grace
   Aaron '" <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>, "'KPFK
  LSB'" <l...@kpfk.org>

  Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:06 PM

  I, too, am confused by Renee’s lack of clarity on who is
  in charge – she or the PNB.  I would think Renee is in charge of making
  appropriate decisions in order to run a good and fair and open election and
  make sure they are run properly.  That is her job description. 
   However, I would like to know the following:   
   
  -         
  On June 1st the Nomination Phase opened
   
  When did carts announcing the election and
  soliciting candidates go on the air?  How many times per day at each
  station?  I heard my first election cart this past Sunday – 6/13 and
  have heard a total of one more since then (and we are in the middle of fund
  drive so I can’t say I’m listening as much as usual – nor, I suspect, is
  anyone else – just another issue to deal with).  The day before I had
  heard two that were confusing but did seem to request people go on-line to
  take a survey of e-voting for the 2012 election.  I still don’t know
  what this is about and why they’re playing at all not to mention NOW when we
  are trying to solicit candidates from our listeners.   
   
  -         
  LES's where hired and in place
   
  How *were*
  people made aware the les was “hired and in place”?   
   
  - All Nomination packages where complete and available
   
  That’s nice – but *were*
  potential listener candidates made aware of this?  Or even board
  members?  How?   
   
  -         
  Webpage was complete
   
  Again… who knew and how?   And why is the
  website soliciting emails from people who want an election package? 
  What are the plans for using these emails?   
   

  Kim
  What Is An Emergency? Afghanistan Or Our Children?

  From: Shawn Casey O'Brien
  [mailto:irish...@verizon.net]

  Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010
  4:00 PM

  To: Renee Asteria

  Cc: Melinda Iley-Dohn; Bill
  Crosier; pnb_elections@googlegroups.com; Pacifica National Board PNB a;
  Ricardo de Anda; kpft electons; Grace Aaron
  ; KPFK LSB

  Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:545]
  Re: the nomination period

   

   

  Excuse me.
   First, the NES says it's the PNB's job to extend deadlines, now it
  appears to be her's again.  Besides asking the question: Which is it?
   I contend that, at a minimum, the NES has delegated that authority to
  the PNB and we should act on it.

   

  Shawn

  On Jun 15, 2010,
  at 3:46 PM, Renee Asteria wrote:

    
  Hello,

  My job as National Election Supervisor is to ensure that there are no Bylaws
  violations. So far we are on schedule - no violations have occurred.

  - On June 1st the Nomination Phase opened

  - LES's where hired and in place

  - All Nomination packages where complete and available

  - Webpage was complete

  Come midnight, June 30th, if there is a need to extend beyond what the Bylaws
  dictate, then we will deal with that reality and make logical extensions.

  Renee

  On Tue, Jun 15,
  2010 at 2:25 PM, Melinda Iley-Dohn <iley_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
  I believe that
  deadlines have been moved several times not only for deadlines for packets,to
  allow for more candidates. The deadline for ballots was changed twice as
  well, memory serving,to allow more ballots

  to be returned to allow us to meet quorum on elections as well. It might be a
  good idea to extend the date given the fact that the LESs were not hired
  until recently, IMHO.

   

   Melinda Iley-Dohn

  Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little
  temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

  Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania
  1759

   

            

  --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net> wrote:

  > From: Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net>

  > Subject: [PNB_Elections:544] Re: the nomination period

  > To: "Bill Crosier" <k...@crosierbiomed.com>

  > Cc: pnb_elections@googlegroups.com,
  "Pacifica National Board PNB" <p...@pacifica.org>, "Ricardo de Anda"
  <rica...@deandalaw.mailstreet.com>,
  "kpft electons" <les_k...@pacifica.org>, "
 Grace Aaron " <graceaa...@ca.rr.com>, "KPFK
  LSB" <l...@kpfk.org>

  > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 3:49 PM

  > All,

  >

  > We extend deadlines all the time.  If we had Les

  > Radke's report as required by the bylaws -- no one seems

  > upset at this blatant violation -- we'd see that deadlines

  > were surly moved last year by the NES. 

  >

  > And the NES's response below should give the PNB pause for

  > serious thought.  I mean, really, if the NES is suppose

  > to be autonomous and independent, common sense dictates that

  > she "makes the call".

  >

  > Of course, common sense is just one of the things that's

  > been in short supply around here lately.

  >

  > Enough said,

  >

  > Shawn

  >

  > On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Bill Crosier wrote:

  >

  > > Article 4, section 5 of the Pacifica Bylaws specifies

  > the election timeline.

  > >

  > > For anyone wanting to extend the nominations deadline,

  > please read that section of the Bylaws and tell us how we

  > can do so without violating them.  I don't see how we

  > can.

  > >

  > > For anyone who does not have a copy handy, the bylaws

  > are at http://kewg.org

  > >

  > > I suggest we help our LESs publicize the elections and

  > individually work to recruit candidates who are interested

  > in helping Pacifica
  and our stations to grow stronger

  > financially and to get more listeners and members.  We

  > all should have been doing that for the last few months,

  > anyway.

  > >

  > > Bill

  > >

  > >

  > > At 11:33 AM -0700 6/15/10, Renee Asteria wrote:

  > >> Hello,

  > >>

  > >> The nomination phase is in full force right now.

  > We will do our best with the time we have. I don't make the

  > call.

  > >>

  > >> Renee

  > >>

  > >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Richard Uzzell

  > <<mailto:richard_uzzel...@hotmail.com>richard_uzzel...@hotmail.com>

  > wrote:

  > >>

  > >> I think moving the deadline to July 31 would help

  > at all stations. Who makes this call? NES???

  >
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Bill Crosier  
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From: Bill Crosier <k...@crosierbiomed.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:04:20 -0500
Local: Wed, Jun 16 2010 2:04 am
Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:545] Re: the nomination period
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Here are some reasons NOT to extend the nominations period and answers to some other questions.

Note, though, that I would not be opposed to extending all the deadlines by up to 2 weeks, IF we can get a legal opinion that we won't have a problem with violating the Bylaws and opening us up to more lawsuits, and IF we extend all the later timeline dates by the same amount.

1.  Delaying the close of nominations might seem reasonable due to the delay in hiring our NES (first week of May rather than by March 1 as should have been done were it not for so much time being required to deal with other serious problems, including Pacifica's finances, a terrible audit, and no permanent GM at 4 of our 5 stations).  However, as our NES has noted, she had all the critical items in place by the beginning of the campaign period and has done an amazing job, in my opinion, in making all those preparations.  I personally went to the http://pacificaelections2010.org web site on June 3 and downloaded candidate packages so I could check them, so I know they were there and available.  (I know listener candidate packages were available there for download even before the end of May, although the staff packages took a few days more to get ready/update, but I know they were there by June 3.)  And all stations have had links to http://pacificaelections2010.org from their individual web sites for a while, too (I think since before June 1, although I'm not sure about this for all stations).  All PNB and LSB members at all stations should have been recruiting candidates before June, regardless of whether election announcements were being broadcast.

2.  I heard carts about the elections and the national web site on my station (KPFT) before the end of May, and announcements about the elections and running for the board for several MONTHS before then.  All of the PNB should have been talking about this with management of our stations well before June and before the LESs were hired, and getting this info on the air.  This is nothing new, everyone on the LSBs and PNB know about the elections, and the Elections committee has been reminding everyone of the timeline since January.

I don't know why a fund drive was scheduled at one station during the nomination period, but I'm guessing that's why election carts may not have been played during that time.  Complaints about who was hired as LES may have also distracted people from thinking about getting nominations going.  But there's still plenty of time for candidates to download their packets, fill out the forms, get their petitions signed, and turn in everything by June 30.  For all of the Pacifica elections I know of, most candidates wait until the last day anyway to turn everything in.

3. Please remember the reasons why the election timeline in the Bylaws was modified with a Bylaws amendment in 2007:  We kept running into fall fund drives at all stations, and conflicts with the state/national/local elections in November (and heavy campaigning before that).  In addition, the earlier timeline in the bylaws did not provide enough time between the closing of nominations and the ballot mailings for the LESs and NES to do all the work required for the mailings.  (Extending the nomination deadline but not the ballot mailing would re-create that problem.)

The Bylaws do allow the election supervisors to extend the deadline for return of ballots in order to achieve quorum, but not the deadline for nominations.  The Bylaws allow the PNB to change the dates, but only if decided the year before.  If it was me, I would not have made the Bylaws so restrictive, but read them and see for yourself what they say.

So even if we can find a way to extend the nomination deadline without running afoul of the bylaws, I'd be opposed to extending it by more than 2 weeks, and if we do extend it we should extend all the later dates by the same amount, for the reasons noted above.

Again, see Article 4, section 5 of the Pacifica Bylaws, which specifies the timetable and the lack of flexibility on the nominations period.

For reference, the latest bylaws are at <http://www.pacifica.org/governance/bylaws_rev.html>http://www.pacifica.org/governance/bylaws_rev.html

The PREVIOUS version of the Bylaws, with the OLD timeline, is at http://pacifica.org/governance/PacificaBylaws-new.html (NOTE:Outdated even though it says new, amended, and restated)

4. The Bylaws do not require that local election committees be set up at all, much less when they should be set up.  Article 4, section 4B of the Pacifica Bylaws say "each local elections supervisor may appoint a committee of volunteer Members..."  Please read that paragraph if you think there has to be a local committee established by any particular date.  Who's on it and when it's established is up to the LES and no one else.  I believe that our LES last year did not set up a committee until after ballots were mailed out.

Bill Crosier
Chair, PNB Elections Committee

At 9:00 PM -0700 6/15/10, Melinda Iley-Dohn wrote:

>I don't know what the exact date is but frankly at this point we need to move forward. I have been a part of elections when we had a iED instead a fully involved ED. This is a huge improvement. As our NES is a contractor we need to have a full time ED to assist when
>issues arise from our local station elections. With Pacifica, it is always when not if.

>We need to remember that the By-Laws were written as a clean slate without any means of knowing that we would find ourselves with this many forest fires for our ED to face as
>the election time line rolled around. Arlene has had four out of five GMs to hire, a national audit and  more headaches than Tylenol can handle.

>This election is Arlene and Rene's baby now. I have worked in two of the past elections and I think that we are off to a good start from what I am seeing thus far.

><http://kinkyfriedman.com/index.html>

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Alex  
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From: Alex <alex...@optonline.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:44:30 -0400
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Subject: RE: [PNB_Elections:564] Re: the nomination period
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I am not commenting on whether the nomination period should be extended or
not, but if it is why should any other deadline be extended?  As far as I am
concerned our election campaign period is already much too long. It ought to
be cut down by 2 months not just 2 weeks. Also having a nomination period
end on July 1 when lots of people start vacations is another dumb idea that
was imposed on us by a very ill-thought out bylaws amendment.

Having a 5 month campaign period for an organization of this size makes no
sense at all. There are entire countries in Europe that manage to nominate,
campaign and elect their governments in far less time.

Alex


 
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From: Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:29:38 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:564] Re: the nomination period
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Thank to both you and Alex.

S.O'B.
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From: Shawn Casey O'Brien <irish...@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:49:08 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PNB_Elections:564] Re: the nomination period
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Let's see, late hire of an "NES", raw, inexperienced, easy to manipulate LES at all the stations, truncated deadlines and inadequate, silly carts.

Yes, nothing matters but deadlines, if your trying to ensure that only "insiders" get a shot at running.  Which appears to be what is being advocated here.

Shawn

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