[Plone-Users] Ecommerce/Documentation Sprint - June 11-15th, 2007
Donna Snow
I, Donna M. Snow, long time fan and implementation goddess of Plone
and Joanna Springsteen, documentation goddess hereby propose an
Ecommerce/Documentation Sprint from June 11th to June 15th of this
year. Locale is still to be determined.. we have a few options so
we'll let you know where.. soon.
Firstly, we'd like to get a feel for interest. Please let us know
offlist if you would participate in the ecommerce activities or the
documentation activities (or both).
Secondly, would your company like to sponsor a sprint specifically for
improvement of ecommerce and documentation?
If you are interested in the ecommerce aspect of the sprint please
email me do...@csquaredtech.com
for documentation sprint please email jlu...@gmail.com
It'll be a dual sprint ...
http://www.openplans.org/projects/doc-and-e-commerce-sprint/project-home
Still much planning to do.. but we wanted to get a feel for interest
and plan accordingly from there...
Thank You!
Best Regards,
Donna M. Snow, Owner
C Squared Enterprises
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Donna Snow
framework but the key here would be to build it out and bring it up
to current Plone standards.. (and prepare it for the future)... I know
there has been work on it in SVN
http://dev.plone.org/collective/browser/PloneMall <- . i18n and some
adjustments from what I can tell...
So we meet for a week.. dissect PloneMall and assess what it needs to
be fully functional (meaning the average Plone user can go to
Products.. download the product and install and use it out of the
box). We can also look at the other options.. at the Birds of a
Feather discussion on Ecommerce at the Seattle Conference.. there was
discussion of breaking each "ecommerce" function into a content type
(like SimpleCartItem and Let's Pay.. do now). This way.. if all I need
is a "SimpleCart" I download SimpleCartItem.. if I need shipping and
handling..I add the Shipping and Handling content type.. (not sure how
silly that sounds).. So we need to pin down the direction.. and make
some strides that will compete with other CMS's that have this
functionality already.. with the zope architecture behind us.. you'd
think we could whip some OSCommerce behind (I've worked with
OSCommerce.. and I can totally see Zope/Plone with something as good
as or even better)
I think this provides an opportunity for those who are already working
on improving the "ecommerce" story for Plone.. to get together and
work out a plan for future implementation.. (and get some help)
Donna M. Snow
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Sam Stainsby
> Firstly, we'd like to get a feel for interest. Please let us know
> offlist if you would participate in the ecommerce activities or the
> documentation activities (or both).
Its a nice idea, but I simply couldn't afford to travel outside of
Australia at the moment.
Coincidentally, we just received a fax this morning from a client
authorising us to open source a shop we built for them (some features such
as paid-for downloads and integration with PloneFormGen for event
bookings are still in progress). The shop is customised for the UK
environment, but should easily extend to EU and Australia and other
similar tax regimes, and to the rest of the world with some work and a lot
of I18N. Amongst the *Plone* content types it provides are:
* Discount - plug in discounts, controlled by a rule based system -
techies can use a TALES guard expression to add even more flexibility
on when the discount is applied and/or add an annotation to the cart
item
* PaymentOption - PayPal, PayPal Instant Payment Notification (for
paid-for downloads & event bookings), and 'printable order form'
provided, add your own with a bit of development effort
* SalesTax - add your own sales tax levels that can be linked to each
product
* ShippingMethod - add shipping methods; use a TALES expression to
calculate the price and/or add an annotation to the relevant P&P cart
item
* Product - the usual stuff, plus select the discounts & sales taxes
that may apply
* Cart - not really a content item - these only exist in the session
unless told otherwise, so no need to clean them up - the only time we
store them is when using PayPal IPN for paid-for downloads
It is built on top of on a accounting/inventory framework that
handles units, inventories, (the shopping cart is a specialised
inventory), transfers etc. The system is intended to allow Plone users to
achieve a reasonably good shop out-of-the-box.
It needs to be made a bit more generic before the first public code
release. No time frame has be determined for this yet.
Cheers,
Sam.
Jon Stahl
Sam Stainsby-2 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:07:39 -0800, Donna Snow wrote:
>
>
>> Firstly, we'd like to get a feel for interest. Please let us know
>> offlist if you would participate in the ecommerce activities or the
>> documentation activities (or both).
>
> Its a nice idea, but I simply couldn't afford to travel outside of
> Australia at the moment.
>
> Coincidentally, we just received a fax this morning from a client
> authorising us to open source a shop we built for them (some features such
> as paid-for downloads and integration with PloneFormGen for event
> bookings are still in progress). The shop is customised for the UK
> environment, but should easily extend to EU and Australia and other
> similar tax regimes, and to the rest of the world with some work and a lot
> of I18N.
>
Sam,
Wow... it would be great to see this get cleaned up and released.
Especially if you get a simple event payment system in there -- that is a
huge need for many of the NGOs with whom we work.
best,
jon
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Sam Stainsby
> Sam,
>
> Wow... it would be great to see this get cleaned up and released.
> Especially if you get a simple event payment system in there -- that is a
> huge need for many of the NGOs with whom we work.
Yes, I know. You probably know from the Plone NGOs list that I specialise
in that sort of client. This project is very much "scratching an itch".
Jon Stahl
Sam Stainsby-2 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:20:22 -0800, Jon Stahl wrote:
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> Wow... it would be great to see this get cleaned up and released.
>> Especially if you get a simple event payment system in there -- that is a
>> huge need for many of the NGOs with whom we work.
>
> Yes, I know. You probably know from the Plone NGOs list that I specialise
> in that sort of client. This project is very much "scratching an itch".
>
Heh. I do. And I figured. :-)
Count me as excited. Let me know what we can do to help.
best,
jon
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Curtis M Carlson
Yes Plone needs a merchant/mall function.
I myself like one stop shopping...even in my Plone Tools.
Auction (PloneBid), eStorefront (PloneShop), as well as PloneMall would be nice to have in one product.
I suppose some standard way to plug into something like PayPal-type accounts or if someone really wanted to code their hearts out, an interface for standard secure financial transactions directly to the banks and merchants.
I would like to see this multi-feature ability, I could activate the features that I like and deactivate those I do not like.
***(Now for the big idea)***
Propose to the top Transaction Merchants (Master Card, Visa, Amex, Discover) and get them to fund the development of this. It could be worth a lot of money to those firms if all Plone sites processed through one financial portal, perhaps a pitch could be made to someone to sponsor this development project.
Perhaps some day you will hear this commercial, "The cost of Plone...free. the cost to have merchant capabilities on Plone...free. The cost of tech support on Plone....free. The ability to process MasterCard on Plone...priceless."
Who's the grant writer in the group?
Thanks for your time.
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>>> "Weisglass Ofer" <weisgla...@gmail.com> 02-16-2007 3:58 PM >>>
jlu...@gmail.com
> Who's the grant writer in the group?
heh. I could certainly do it. Not to brag but my grants and business
proposals have gotten people lots of money in the past. I'd certainly
put my skills to work for plone if needed. :)
In other news, pleas check out the wiki:
http://www.openplans.org/projects/doc-and-e-commerce-sprint/project-home
Please add your name if you are interested. Remember it's still all
tentative so if you are unsure we can always remove your name later.
We just need to see how much interest we really have. Take a look at
the Notes page as well and add thoughts if you have any suggestions!
JoAnna (jluvsu2)
RSWiley
I fully support the effort and will be involved however I can.
Three points:
1) eCommerce with sufficient functionality to serve an international
community is very difficult to deliver. (Forgive me if I'm preaching to
the choir) I tried my best to make PloneMall (a great beginning effort)
work for yulemshop.com since the sister site yulem.com is pure Plone.
I was forced to implement using osCommerce. osCommerce is probably a
study in how NOT to design a software product (purists will puke when
they pull back the covers) but the fact is it WORKS. You can download
a core product, install it, do some administration magic and have a
basic working store. (That process is not for the faint of heart
however!) Next you discover all the things that the core product
doesn't do that you need so you go to the user community forum and
uncover the community "contributions." Here are the myriads of add-on
functions that you then piece together to finally achieve the
functionality that you require. It's not a pretty process but it has
allowed 11,905 stores to be live at the time of this email.
IMHO I think we can learn a lot from osCommerce; things to do and
certainly things not to do.
Specifically, those of us with osCommerce experience (yes, we must come
out of the closet) can probably define the core product functionality
faster than any other approach. (E.g.
http://www.oscommerce.com/solutions/oscommerce ) Similarly we can define
the related products and prioritize them. This is especially true if
our goal is an international product.
2) Where should the detailed discussions be held?
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/collective-commerce
or
http://www.openplans.org/projects/doc-and-e-commerce-sprint/project-home
and how does Kevin fit in?
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31628908&forum_id=33456
<http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31628908&forum_id=33456>
3) Concerning finding a sponsor, the big card companies suck their
profits out of the electronic payment network/process regardless. We
might want to consider any/all of the following (especially the first
three) since these will be the gateways to which we will interface.
2CheckOut.com
Google Checkout
PayPal
ipayment
payQuake
PSiGate
SECPay
Paynova
Chronopay
AuthorizeNet
TrusTCommerce
When do we start?
Ralph
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Sometimes it is best to know what you don't want to help understand what you do want, good thinking.
Anything I can do, let me know.
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