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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:50:37 +0200
From: "Kamon Ayeva" <kamon.ay...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Paris sprint is ending, here is a quick report
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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Dylan Jay <dja...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plone-social-networking@googlegroups.com [mailto:plone-social-
> > networking@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christian Scholz
> > Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 5:52 AM
> > To: Plone Social Networking
> > Subject: Re: Paris sprint is ending, here is a quick report
> >
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > In the meanwhile I also checked in my plonesocial.base.profile of
> > which I have no idea though if it works or not ;-)
> > (didn't had the time but wanted to get it out as what I was writing on
> > the train).
> >
> > It seems that things are a bit duplicated now from looking at
> > plonesocial.socialgraph ;-)
> >
> > I also discussed with Dylan on IRC today a bit and here is a mix of my
> > thoughts and what we came up with:
> >
> > - I'd like to rename socialgraph to contacts (e.g.
> > plonesocial.base.contacts) as I feel that socialgraph might be
> >   better reserved for something which spans more than one site. E.g.
> > the graph of contacts between many sites.
>
> Just realised contacts might also be confusing as we're using it with
> regard
> to contact importing, for instance for importing email addresses from
> hotmail etc.
>
> I just noticed in Plaxo its called connections.
> Linkedin uses Contacts as a menu item then tabs for connections and
> imported
> contacts. It has "add connections" "remove connections".
> Anyone object to that?
>

+1 for connections.


>
> Friends or buddies won't work as it doesn't work for all possible
> relationships.
>
>
>
> > - I wonder if we should maybe rename SocialActor etc. to simply Member
> > as I think it's more common. SocialActor
> >   sounds more academic which is of course ok but my fear is that some
> > people have problems with too much academic
> >   talk ;-)
>
> +1 for that. Plone site users are called members. Lets keep it that to
> avoid
> confusion.
>

Ok, no objection.


>
> > - Dylan and I discussed that plonesocial.base.profile might be renamed
> > to .member because a member is the basic thing
> >   and we might attach profiles to it.
> >
> > - In socialgraph I now see SocialActor and SocialActorProxy. If you
> > look into my package you might see IMember and an adapter
> >   for the plone site to retrieve an object (a proxy basically)
> > implementing IMember. This is not persistent and the idea was that it
> >   can act as a point on which you can adapt something. I do this with
> > IBasicMemberData. I wonder what approach is better. And
> >   what about factoring it out to .profile/.member? My MemberManager
> > can of course also be changed to provide persistent member
> >   objects. I don't see a real need for a proxy here though.
> >
> > So that have been my remarks. Feedback is welcome :-)
> >
> > And although we might have duplicated efforts here maybe we can throw
> > all this together and see what mix might do the job best.
> > Eventually we have to change something anyway should we try to write
> > applications on top of it.
>
> Lets put it all together in plonesocial.common.member or and then build a
> plonesocial.app.connections??? What does .app mean anyway?
>

Ok.
Seems that 'app' is for contrasting a pure library thing ? the thing that
depends on Plone basically ?

>
> But great work everybody! :-)
>
> Moreover I wonder if we should maybe do some skype conference or so to
> discuss things a bit more in realtime.

Lets do it. I'm 'dylan_jay' on skype or 'djjay' on irc.freenode
>

I am heading to the Grokkerdam sprint today.
Tomorrow I will be able to tell you when and how I can continue the
discussion with you.
But go ahead if you need to make progress on this. I agree with the things
being proposed and we need to move.

-- Kamon

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Dylan Jay &lt;<a href="mailto:dja...@gmail.com">dja...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: <a href="mailto:plone-social-networking@googlegroups.com">plone-social-networking@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:plone-social-">plone-social-</a><br>
&gt; <a href="mailto:networking@googlegroups.com">networking@googlegroups.com</a>] On Behalf Of Christian Scholz<br>
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 5:52 AM<br>
&gt; To: Plone Social Networking<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: Paris sprint is ending, here is a quick report<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; In the meanwhile I also checked in my plonesocial.base.profile of<br>
&gt; which I have no idea though if it works or not ;-)<br>
&gt; (didn&#39;t had the time but wanted to get it out as what I was writing on<br>
&gt; the train).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It seems that things are a bit duplicated now from looking at<br>
&gt; plonesocial.socialgraph ;-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I also discussed with Dylan on IRC today a bit and here is a mix of my<br>
&gt; thoughts and what we came up with:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; - I&#39;d like to rename socialgraph to contacts (e.g.<br>
&gt; plonesocial.base.contacts) as I feel that socialgraph might be<br>
&gt; &nbsp; better reserved for something which spans more than one site. E.g.<br>
&gt; the graph of contacts between many sites.<br>
<br>
</div>Just realised contacts might also be confusing as we&#39;re using it with regard<br>
to contact importing, for instance for importing email addresses from<br>
hotmail etc.<br>
<br>
I just noticed in Plaxo its called connections.<br>
Linkedin uses Contacts as a menu item then tabs for connections and imported<br>
contacts. It has &quot;add connections&quot; &quot;remove connections&quot;.<br>
Anyone object to that?<br>
</blockquote><div><br>+1 for connections.<br>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
Friends or buddies won&#39;t work as it doesn&#39;t work for all possible<br>
relationships.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; - I wonder if we should maybe rename SocialActor etc. to simply Member<br>
&gt; as I think it&#39;s more common. SocialActor<br>
&gt; &nbsp; sounds more academic which is of course ok but my fear is that some<br>
&gt; people have problems with too much academic<br>
&gt; &nbsp; talk ;-)<br>
<br>
</div>+1 for that. Plone site users are called members. Lets keep it that to avoid<br>
confusion.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div><br>Ok, no objection.<br>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">
<br>
&gt; - Dylan and I discussed that plonesocial.base.profile might be renamed<br>
&gt; to .member because a member is the basic thing<br>
&gt; &nbsp; and we might attach profiles to it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; - In socialgraph I now see SocialActor and SocialActorProxy. If you<br>
&gt; look into my package you might see IMember and an adapter<br>
&gt; &nbsp; for the plone site to retrieve an object (a proxy basically)<br>
&gt; implementing IMember. This is not persistent and the idea was that it<br>
&gt; &nbsp; can act as a point on which you can adapt something. I do this with<br>
&gt; IBasicMemberData. I wonder what approach is better. And<br>
&gt; &nbsp; what about factoring it out to .profile/.member? My MemberManager<br>
&gt; can of course also be changed to provide persistent member<br>
&gt; &nbsp; objects. I don&#39;t see a real need for a proxy here though.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So that have been my remarks. Feedback is welcome :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And although we might have duplicated efforts here maybe we can throw<br>
&gt; all this together and see what mix might do the job best.<br>
&gt; Eventually we have to change something anyway should we try to write<br>
&gt; applications on top of it.<br>
<br>
</div>Lets put it all together in plonesocial.common.member or and then build a<br>
plonesocial.app.connections??? What does .app mean anyway?<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>Ok.<br>Seems that &#39;app&#39; is for contrasting a pure library thing ? the thing that depends on Plone basically ?<br>&nbsp;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; But great work everybody! :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Moreover I wonder if we should maybe do some skype conference or so to<br>
&gt; discuss things a bit more in realtime.<br>
<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Lets do it. I&#39;m &#39;dylan_jay&#39; on skype or &#39;djjay&#39; on irc.freenode<br>

<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I am heading to the Grokkerdam sprint today.<br>Tomorrow I will be able to tell you when and how I can continue the discussion with you.<br>But go ahead if you need to make progress on this. I agree with the things being proposed and we need to move.<br>
&nbsp;<br>-- Kamon<br></div></div><br>

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