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robot pukeko

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Mar 28, 2011, 3:52:06 AM3/28/11
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Hi,

From what I can see, the only way to create a new tag is to define it
when posting a new bookmark. Would it be possible to have a /tags/add
functionality to create a new tag for use on existing/new bookmarks?

Thanks,
RP

maxpower47

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Mar 28, 2011, 1:41:15 PM3/28/11
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What would be the use of having a tag that did not apply to any bookmarks?

maciej

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Mar 28, 2011, 1:45:42 PM3/28/11
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I am equally baffled. Tags in Pinboard only exist in relation to
bookmarks - if there's nothing tagged X, then you don't have a tag X.

John Remmers

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Mar 28, 2011, 3:57:20 PM3/28/11
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Hm, philosophically speaking, if you think of a tag as a "box" in which you can put things, it might make sense to create the empty box before putting anything in it.

But hey - to get that effect, just post a dummy bookmark (about:blank will do) and put the tag on that. As a test, I tried doing this and found that about:blank has already been bookmarked by 194 others...

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maciej

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Mar 28, 2011, 4:12:58 PM3/28/11
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A useful mental metaphor for how tags behave in pinboard is 'sticky
note' - quick, informal, and always attached to a bookmark.
Otherwise it's easy to get confused about things being in multiple
boxes, whether boxes can contain other boxes, and so on.

Of course you're welcome to use the tagging system any way you wish.
One of the pleasures of running this site is finding out what variety
of tagging schemes people invent.

On Mar 28, 12:57 pm, John Remmers <jremm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm, philosophically speaking, if you think of a tag as a "box" in which you can put things, it might make sense to create the empty box before putting anything in it.
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> But hey - to get that effect, just post a dummy bookmark (about:blank will do) and put the tag on that.  As a test, I tried doing this and found that about:blank has already been bookmarked by 194 others...
>
> -John
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robot pukeko

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Mar 30, 2011, 3:40:36 AM3/30/11
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Yeah, don't worry. I'm actually dealing with the fact that someone
might want to create a new tag and apply it to existing bookmarks
within my program, and updating the bookmarks using the API instead.

yokull

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Mar 31, 2011, 9:41:55 AM3/31/11
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ah, i assumed the orig poster wanted a tag for his tags (a meta-tag?)
is something like that possible?
if i have the following tags:
apple, microsoft, internet
then i can give them a supertag of "computer"
does that make sense?

maciej

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Mar 31, 2011, 1:46:30 PM3/31/11
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Yes, it sounds like the kind of thinking that led to 'tag bundles'.
I understand the appeal but am very hesitant about doing anything of
the kind unless demand is overwhelming.

Michael.Massing

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Apr 2, 2011, 2:50:29 AM4/2/11
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Ah, well, since you understand the appeal, I shall not presume to try
to explain it to you. ;^)

For whatever it's worth, I use Delicious's Firefox Toolbar in Bundles
View mode to give myself instant and omnipresent drop-down access to
as many as 1300 or so tags and the most recent bookmarks, up to about
50, for each. Pretty slick.

Much as I hate "+1" posts, if fate has decreed that I turn the tide
from under- to overwhelming, so be it!

Best,
M.

Michael.Massing

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Apr 2, 2011, 3:17:10 AM4/2/11
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Oh, and duh, the primary use of a bundle/metatag structure for me is
to make a site more navigable to people I refer there.

I'm not thinking of that use as "social bookmarking" so much as open
access to my research files:
"Oh, you're interested in X? Here's what I've tagged on that topic and
some related topics. Feel free to look around the file room while
you're there."

In that scenario, I feel it's helpful to have some structure beyond
that given by a cloud. Perhaps under all my genuinely enthusiastic
advocacy for tagging, I'm just a closet hierarch.

Best,
M.
http://Delicious.com/Michael.Massing/outbasket

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Trajanus

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Apr 4, 2011, 7:56:19 AM4/4/11
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Personally don't like tag bundles- it means that in addition to the
pain of having to tag, then you get the pain of having to tag the
tags :/. Surely tags in some way can kind of aggregate together
according to the likelihood of them coexisting with other tags? That
would be much more useful- though once again not completely necessary.

Michael.Massing

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Apr 5, 2011, 1:27:28 AM4/5/11
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I agree, this would be another useful approach to making a page seen
less random to a non-user I send to it.

I seem to recall an independent research program to enable a feature
like this with Delicious links. The output was an interactive(?)
diagram of clusters, perhaps based on something as "simple" as the
likelihood, as measured by actual instances, of tags being used
together.
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