We can define a user group as "confirmed" on account that we know the leader
and information is correct, then thse confirmed groups can cross-validate
others, we can then work out a little math where if say 3 groups validate
another UG's data, that groups becomes confirmed nd can now also be a
confirmation source.
This way we would value the local, so in brazil i know who all leaders are
but in other palce chances are we know the leaders of close by groups, say
Keith know Ben is in the Atalnta GRoup, Ben know what happens in texas and
such... That way data wil validate itself as more groups come in, and we can
start with the groups represented here and move outwards.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:35, Thijs Feryn <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
> Hi everyone
> I’m Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me to
> some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global scale.
> The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should be
> one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
> registered.
> The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
> side for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG’s and their
> admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active ones. I
> actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
> But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
> website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I would
> really like to contribute to that.
> What I’m looking for the most is a place where you can get information on
> all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, …). As mentioned by
> Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
> What should be known about these UG’s:
> - Where are they located?
> - Who are the board members?
> - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
> - What events do they have in store (calender app)
> - What’s the latest news they posted (rss integration)
> Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What should
> be known about them:
> - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
> - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, …)
> - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
> People are always talking about “The PHP Community”. It would be nice to
> see how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
> The question of course is: “how do people register their UG and member
> profiles?” If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of spam or
> basically incorrect information.
> I guess we (I wouldn’t mind doing this) could contact all the known UG’s
> and provide a login to the system. All others should just register
> themselves and request access. An administrator can then examine the
> validity of the request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
> I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone is
> interested in a different aspect
> - The analyzing part
> - The developing part
> - The community interaction part
> Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
> information on as much UG’s as possible. I will then contact theire
> representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we can
> import the data that was collected.
> I’d like your feedback.
> Kind regards
> Thijs Feryn
> *Van:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com] *Namens *Michelangelo van Dam
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
> *Aan:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
> *Onderwerp:* [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
> Hi All,
> The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a way
> for us to provide information for
> - developers looking for a user group
> - people that want to start a user group
> - user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides the
> UG admin mailinglist)
> These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
> very good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
> website. Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community
> site... just providing information.
> Cheers,
> Michelangelo
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> In response to:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community"
> Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
> accomplish this ?
> Thanks.
> Paul.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
> > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
> >> coding away.
> > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are lots
> of
> > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
> >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of the
> >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
> > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
> This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
> working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
> exactly what I think phpcommunity.org should be. Unfortunately, it's not
> something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
> moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
> the discussion.
> There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
> what the community website should include:
> * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
> shouldn't try to be another one.
> * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
> create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
> another one of these, either.
> * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
> try to be another news site or another planet site.
> In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
> are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
> promote the best ones.
> Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
> resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
> software development and Internet communities."
> What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
> effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
> yet-another-community-resource-forum.
"So i devised a activity system that would combine automatic and manual
checking for certain key points. Thus it would check the activity in the
groups, blog posts, events realized, mailing list activity and based on that
it would emit warnings to the registered leader to ask him to claim the
group is still active.. after 3 warnings the group would go into inactive a
be hidden until the leader or a new leader came along to claim the group and
mark it as active once again."
I also had the same idea of keeping the data active by methods of email and
activity checking.
The only variation i had of his was that on the 1st of every month we send
out an email to the group leaders with a link to click to keep their UG
active.
If after X months (maybe 3?) there has been no activity then we send out one
mass email to all registered UG's email addresses to seek either a new
leader or an activity verification.
This would be a good balance between updated data and activity.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Thijs Feryn <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
> Hi everyone
> I’m Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me to
> some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global scale.
> The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should be
> one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
> registered.
> The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
> side for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG’s and their
> admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active ones. I
> actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
> But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
> website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I would
> really like to contribute to that.
> What I’m looking for the most is a place where you can get information on
> all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, …). As mentioned by
> Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
> What should be known about these UG’s:
> - Where are they located?
> - Who are the board members?
> - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
> - What events do they have in store (calender app)
> - What’s the latest news they posted (rss integration)
> Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What should
> be known about them:
> - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
> - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, …)
> - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
> People are always talking about “The PHP Community”. It would be nice to
> see how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
> The question of course is: “how do people register their UG and member
> profiles?” If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of spam or
> basically incorrect information.
> I guess we (I wouldn’t mind doing this) could contact all the known UG’s
> and provide a login to the system. All others should just register
> themselves and request access. An administrator can then examine the
> validity of the request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
> I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone is
> interested in a different aspect
> - The analyzing part
> - The developing part
> - The community interaction part
> Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
> information on as much UG’s as possible. I will then contact theire
> representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we can
> import the data that was collected.
> I’d like your feedback.
> Kind regards
> Thijs Feryn
> *Van:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com] *Namens *Michelangelo van Dam
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
> *Aan:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
> *Onderwerp:* [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
> Hi All,
> The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a way
> for us to provide information for
> - developers looking for a user group
> - people that want to start a user group
> - user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides the
> UG admin mailinglist)
> These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
> very good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
> website. Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community
> site... just providing information.
> Cheers,
> Michelangelo
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> In response to:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community"
> Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
> accomplish this ?
> Thanks.
> Paul.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
> > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
> >> coding away.
> > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are lots
> of
> > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
> >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of the
> >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
> > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
> This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
> working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
> exactly what I think phpcommunity.org should be. Unfortunately, it's not
> something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
> moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
> the discussion.
> There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
> what the community website should include:
> * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
> shouldn't try to be another one.
> * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
> create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
> another one of these, either.
> * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
> try to be another news site or another planet site.
> In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
> are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
> promote the best ones.
> Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
> resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
> software development and Internet communities."
> What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
> effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
> yet-another-community-resource-forum.
I believe there's a core of active UG admins that we all know, that
can be validated by each one here on the ML. And when expanding our
network, we use the same technique to validate the UG's that we know
ourselves, but are less known by the people here.
> I think it might work if we try cross-validation.
> We can define a user group as "confirmed" on account that we know
> the leader and information is correct, then thse confirmed groups
> can cross-validate others, we can then work out a little math where
> if say 3 groups validate another UG's data, that groups becomes
> confirmed nd can now also be a confirmation source.
> This way we would value the local, so in brazil i know who all
> leaders are but in other palce chances are we know the leaders of
> close by groups, say Keith know Ben is in the Atalnta GRoup, Ben
> know what happens in texas and such... That way data wil validate
> itself as more groups come in, and we can start with the groups
> represented here and move outwards.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:35, Thijs Feryn <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
> Hi everyone
> I’m Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced
> me to some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more
> global scale. The reason why I want to help out here is because I
> think there should be one place where all information on UG activity
> worldwide should be registered.
> The fact that there should be a website was originally something on
> the side for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG’s and their
> admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active
> ones. I actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in
> 2009.
> But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make
> a website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information,
> I would really like to contribute to that.
> What I’m looking for the most is a place where you can get
> information on all usergroups per region (continent, country, state,
> …). As mentioned by Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
> What should be known about these UG’s:
> - Where are they located?
> - Who are the board members?
> - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
> - What events do they have in store (calender app)
> - What’s the latest news they posted (rss integration)
> Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What
> should be known about them:
> - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
> - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, …)
> - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
> People are always talking about “The PHP Community”. It would be
> nice to see how the community is organised and who are the people
> behind it.
> The question of course is: “how do people register their UG and
> member profiles?” If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the
> risk of spam or basically incorrect information.
> I guess we (I wouldn’t mind doing this) could contact all the known
> UG’s and provide a login to the system. All others should just
> register themselves and request access. An administrator can then
> examine the validity of the request and perform the necessary
> actions accordingly.
> I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and
> everyone is interested in a different aspect
> - The analyzing part
> - The developing part
> - The community interaction part
> Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to
> find information on as much UG’s as possible. I will then contact
> theire representative and store their info. Once the application is
> ready, we can import the data that was collected.
> I’d like your feedback.
> Kind regards
> Thijs Feryn
> Van: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:phpc- > projects@googlegroups.com] Namens Michelangelo van Dam
> Verzonden: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
> Aan: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
> Hi All,
> The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was
> seeking a way for us to provide information for
> developers looking for a user group
> people that want to start a user group
> user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides
> the UG admin mailinglist)
> These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might
> be a very good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell"
> on this website. Like mentioned before, we don't want to become
> another community site... just providing information.
> Cheers,
> Michelangelo
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> In response to:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community"
> Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we
> can accomplish this ?
> Thanks.
> Paul.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
> > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
> >> coding away.
> > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There
> are lots of
> > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
> >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements
> of the
> >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
> > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this
> list.
> This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
> working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
> exactly what I think phpcommunity.org should be. Unfortunately, it's
> not
> something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
> moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to
> open up
> the discussion.
> There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
> what the community website should include:
> * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
> shouldn't try to be another one.
> * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
> create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
> another one of these, either.
> * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We
> shouldn't
> try to be another news site or another planet site.
> In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources
> that
> are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources
> and
> promote the best ones.
> Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was
> it:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
> resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
> software development and Internet communities."
> What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple
> and
> effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
> yet-another-community-resource-forum.
> I believe there's a core of active UG admins that we all know, that can be
> validated by each one here on the ML. And when expanding our network, we use
> the same technique to validate the UG's that we know ourselves, but are less
> known by the people here.
> Michelangelo
> On 30 Oct 2009, at 11:42, Rafael Dohms wrote:
> I think it might work if we try cross-validation.
> We can define a user group as "confirmed" on account that we know the
> leader and information is correct, then thse confirmed groups can
> cross-validate others, we can then work out a little math where if say 3
> groups validate another UG's data, that groups becomes confirmed nd can now
> also be a confirmation source.
> This way we would value the local, so in brazil i know who all leaders are
> but in other palce chances are we know the leaders of close by groups, say
> Keith know Ben is in the Atalnta GRoup, Ben know what happens in texas and
> such... That way data wil validate itself as more groups come in, and we can
> start with the groups represented here and move outwards.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:35, Thijs Feryn <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
>> Hi everyone
>> I’m Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me to
>> some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global scale.
>> The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should be
>> one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
>> registered.
>> The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
>> side for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG’s and their
>> admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active ones. I
>> actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
>> But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
>> website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I would
>> really like to contribute to that.
>> What I’m looking for the most is a place where you can get information on
>> all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, …). As mentioned by
>> Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
>> What should be known about these UG’s:
>> - Where are they located?
>> - Who are the board members?
>> - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
>> - What events do they have in store (calender app)
>> - What’s the latest news they posted (rss integration)
>> Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What should
>> be known about them:
>> - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
>> - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, …)
>> - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
>> People are always talking about “The PHP Community”. It would be nice to
>> see how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
>> The question of course is: “how do people register their UG and member
>> profiles?” If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of spam or
>> basically incorrect information.
>> I guess we (I wouldn’t mind doing this) could contact all the known UG’s
>> and provide a login to the system. All others should just register
>> themselves and request access. An administrator can then examine the
>> validity of the request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
>> I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone is
>> interested in a different aspect
>> - The analyzing part
>> - The developing part
>> - The community interaction part
>> Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
>> information on as much UG’s as possible. I will then contact theire
>> representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we can
>> import the data that was collected.
>> I’d like your feedback.
>> Kind regards
>> Thijs Feryn
>> *Van:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com] *Namens *Michelangelo van Dam
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
>> *Aan:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
>> *Onderwerp:* [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
>> Hi All,
>> The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a
>> way for us to provide information for
>> - developers looking for a user group
>> - people that want to start a user group
>> - user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides
>> the UG admin mailinglist)
>> These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
>> very good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
>> website. Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community
>> site... just providing information.
>> Cheers,
>> Michelangelo
>> On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>> In response to:
>> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>> open and interactive community"
>> Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
>> accomplish this ?
>> Thanks.
>> Paul.
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
>> On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
>> > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>> >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
>> >> coding away.
>> > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are lots
>> of
>> > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
>> >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of
>> the
>> >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
>> > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
>> This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
>> working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
>> exactly what I think phpcommunity.org should be. Unfortunately, it's not
>> something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
>> moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
>> the discussion.
>> There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
>> what the community website should include:
>> * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
>> shouldn't try to be another one.
>> * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
>> create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
>> another one of these, either.
>> * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
>> try to be another news site or another planet site.
>> In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
>> are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
>> promote the best ones.
>> Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
>> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>> open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
>> resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
>> software development and Internet communities."
>> What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
>> effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
>> yet-another-community-resource-forum.
Sounds interesting, but relying only ona leader has to click an email is
kinda dangerous... clicking and emails.. spam boxes, and lazy people with
stuffed inboxes might become issues.
We can however balance this with automatic detection and it may work, i'll
post the original tracking idea today i think i have found my notes.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:44, Paul Dragoonis <dragoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In response to Rafael Dohms's last post.
> "So i devised a activity system that would combine automatic and manual
> checking for certain key points. Thus it would check the activity in the
> groups, blog posts, events realized, mailing list activity and based on that
> it would emit warnings to the registered leader to ask him to claim the
> group is still active.. after 3 warnings the group would go into inactive a
> be hidden until the leader or a new leader came along to claim the group and
> mark it as active once again."
> I also had the same idea of keeping the data active by methods of email and
> activity checking.
> The only variation i had of his was that on the 1st of every month we send
> out an email to the group leaders with a link to click to keep their UG
> active.
> If after X months (maybe 3?) there has been no activity then we send out
> one mass email to all registered UG's email addresses to seek either a new
> leader or an activity verification.
> This would be a good balance between updated data and activity.
> Thoughts welcome.
> Cheers,
> Paul Dragoonis.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Thijs Feryn <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
>> Hi everyone
>> I’m Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me to
>> some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global scale.
>> The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should be
>> one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
>> registered.
>> The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
>> side for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG’s and their
>> admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active ones. I
>> actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
>> But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
>> website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I would
>> really like to contribute to that.
>> What I’m looking for the most is a place where you can get information on
>> all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, …). As mentioned by
>> Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
>> What should be known about these UG’s:
>> - Where are they located?
>> - Who are the board members?
>> - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
>> - What events do they have in store (calender app)
>> - What’s the latest news they posted (rss integration)
>> Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What should
>> be known about them:
>> - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
>> - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, …)
>> - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
>> People are always talking about “The PHP Community”. It would be nice to
>> see how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
>> The question of course is: “how do people register their UG and member
>> profiles?” If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of spam or
>> basically incorrect information.
>> I guess we (I wouldn’t mind doing this) could contact all the known UG’s
>> and provide a login to the system. All others should just register
>> themselves and request access. An administrator can then examine the
>> validity of the request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
>> I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone is
>> interested in a different aspect
>> - The analyzing part
>> - The developing part
>> - The community interaction part
>> Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
>> information on as much UG’s as possible. I will then contact theire
>> representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we can
>> import the data that was collected.
>> I’d like your feedback.
>> Kind regards
>> Thijs Feryn
>> *Van:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com] *Namens *Michelangelo van Dam
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
>> *Aan:* phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
>> *Onderwerp:* [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
>> Hi All,
>> The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a
>> way for us to provide information for
>> - developers looking for a user group
>> - people that want to start a user group
>> - user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides
>> the UG admin mailinglist)
>> These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
>> very good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
>> website. Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community
>> site... just providing information.
>> Cheers,
>> Michelangelo
>> On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>> In response to:
>> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>> open and interactive community"
>> Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
>> accomplish this ?
>> Thanks.
>> Paul.
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
>> On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
>> > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>> >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
>> >> coding away.
>> > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are lots
>> of
>> > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
>> >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of
>> the
>> >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
>> > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
>> This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
>> working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
>> exactly what I think phpcommunity.org should be. Unfortunately, it's not
>> something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
>> moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
>> the discussion.
>> There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
>> what the community website should include:
>> * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
>> shouldn't try to be another one.
>> * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
>> create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
>> another one of these, either.
>> * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
>> try to be another news site or another planet site.
>> In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
>> are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
>> promote the best ones.
>> Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
>> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>> open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
>> resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
>> software development and Internet communities."
>> What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
>> effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
>> yet-another-community-resource-forum.
Let's get a directory online *first* and then worry about the validation, cross-validation, expiration, and all that crap later as we start getting data.
As is, the system isn't useful to *anyone*. Let's change that. ;)
Yes we should start, like... Brazil has already organized its groups in a
centralized manner at www.php.org.br we got a full list there and we are
working on WP plugins to harness more info using a project we are calling
PHPSP Labs, where we are promoting small coding hackathons with clear
objectives where people can learn from veterans some best practices and
such.
aas for the validation mechnism, which even if we start off right now with a
wikipage, we still need to discuss this and move forward with it.
I will implement a verification system.The automated Activity Verification
> system (AVS) is a X step program. I'm creating various mechanisms for
> activity verification, this means, checking the website, checking the
> mailing list, php calendar maybe, and this will be extendable. ehehehe I
> just spent a few hour explaining this in our list, so let me try to
> summize.The process is composed of a list of "criteria" ordered by
> relevance. So for example, site activity, list activity..etc... The robot
> will periodically run through this list checking for the correct metrics for
> each criteriaIf any criteria is met.. it exits, if not it goes on to the
> next criteria.. so if a groups has X posts on the site in a month, it passed
> and we go on to the next group, if it does not we go check the mailing
> list.. and so on. If all criteria dont match, we sent a warning mail.. 3
> chances for the admin/responsible to hit the "i'm alive" button, if he does
> not, then the group goes inactive waiting for re-activation. (never delete,
> just soft delete)
his whole discussion is in the archives for the usergroup list, Ben i could
not find the archive you got the link?
> Let's get a directory online *first* and then worry about the validation,
> cross-validation, expiration, and all that crap later as we start getting
> data.
> As is, the system isn't useful to *anyone*. Let's change that. ;)
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:18, Rafael Dohms <rdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes we should start, like... Brazil has already organized its groups in a
> centralized manner at www.php.org.br we got a full list there and we are
> working on WP plugins to harness more info using a project we are calling
> PHPSP Labs, where we are promoting small coding hackathons with clear
> objectives where people can learn from veterans some best practices and
> such.
> aas for the validation mechnism, which even if we start off right now with
> a wikipage, we still need to discuss this and move forward with it.
> I will implement a verification system.The automated Activity Verification
>> system (AVS) is a X step program. I'm creating various mechanisms for
>> activity verification, this means, checking the website, checking the
>> mailing list, php calendar maybe, and this will be extendable. ehehehe I
>> just spent a few hour explaining this in our list, so let me try to
>> summize.The process is composed of a list of "criteria" ordered by
>> relevance. So for example, site activity, list activity..etc... The robot
>> will periodically run through this list checking for the correct metrics for
>> each criteriaIf any criteria is met.. it exits, if not it goes on to the
>> next criteria.. so if a groups has X posts on the site in a month, it passed
>> and we go on to the next group, if it does not we go check the mailing
>> list.. and so on. If all criteria dont match, we sent a warning mail.. 3
>> chances for the admin/responsible to hit the "i'm alive" button, if he does
>> not, then the group goes inactive waiting for re-activation. (never delete,
>> just soft delete)
> his whole discussion is in the archives for the usergroup list, Ben i could
> not find the archive you got the link?
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:11, D. Keith Casey Jr. <ke...@caseysoftware.com
> > wrote:
>> Guys... YAGNI.
>> Let's get a directory online *first* and then worry about the validation,
>> cross-validation, expiration, and all that crap later as we start getting
>> data.
>> As is, the system isn't useful to *anyone*. Let's change that. ;)
1; I like Rafael's ideas on automatic validation of groups. I was
going to suggest auto-expiring them, sending the group leader an email
that says "If you don't click this link within 5 days, we will remove
your group from the list" But a good mix of ideas would work better.
The key is to automate. Anything manual will eventually be forgotten.
2: I like the idea of this being sort of a Meta community site. It's
not about PHP, it's about the community, the user groups, the
resources available, etc. i.e. Where to get elePHPants, how to join
O'Reilly's UG program, what other UG programs are there? etc. I like
the idea of listing the groups so people can find them. (maps are a
good start but let's think of other ways too) Rafael, we talked about
a UG starter kit, this group would be a good place for that.
3: I would like to propose that we gather data on the community and
publish it both in report form and in raw form for others to review. I
would do this by creating an online questionnaire and sending it to
the UG leaders twice a year. What we ask them is up for discussion but
at a minimum, I would say "How many attendees do you usually have at a
meeting?" This kind of information would be valuable when trying to
convince corps to sponsor area-wide events, etc.
Happy to be a part of this group.
=C=
On Oct 30, 11:35 am, "Thijs Feryn" <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
> I'm Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me to
> some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global scale.
> The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should be
> one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
> registered.
> The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the side
> for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG's and their
> admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active ones. I
> actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
> But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
> website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I would
> really like to contribute to that.
> What I'm looking for the most is a place where you can get information on
> all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, .). As mentioned by
> Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
> What should be known about these UG's:
> - Where are they located?
> - Who are the board members?
> - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
> - What events do they have in store (calender app)
> - What's the latest news they posted (rss integration)
> Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What should
> be known about them:
> - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
> - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, .)
> - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
> People are always talking about "The PHP Community". It would be nice to see
> how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
> The question of course is: "how do people register their UG and member
> profiles?" If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of spam or
> basically incorrect information.
> I guess we (I wouldn't mind doing this) could contact all the known UG's and
> provide a login to the system. All others should just register themselves
> and request access. An administrator can then examine the validity of the
> request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
> I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone is
> interested in a different aspect
> - The analyzing part
> - The developing part
> - The community interaction part
> Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
> information on as much UG's as possible. I will then contact theire
> representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we can
> import the data that was collected.
> I'd like your feedback.
> Kind regards
> Thijs Feryn
> Van: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:phpc-projects@googlegroups.com]
> Namens Michelangelo van Dam
> Verzonden: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
> Aan: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
> Hi All,
> The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a way
> for us to provide information for
> * developers looking for a user group
> * people that want to start a user group
> * user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides
> the UG admin mailinglist)
> These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a very
> good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this website.
> Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community site...
> just providing information.
> Cheers,
> Michelangelo
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> In response to:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community"
> Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
> accomplish this ?
> Thanks.
> Paul.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
> > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
> >> coding away.
> > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are lots
> of
> > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
> >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of the
> >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
> > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
> This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
> working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
> exactly what I think phpcommunity.org <http://phpcommunity.org/> should be.
> Unfortunately, it's not
> something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
> moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
> the discussion.
> There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
> what the community website should include:
> * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
> shouldn't try to be another one.
> * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
> create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
> another one of these, either.
> * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
> try to be another news site or another planet site.
> In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
> are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
> promote the best ones.
> Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
> "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
> resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
> software development and Internet communities."
> What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
> effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
> yet-another-community-resource-forum.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 14:45, CalEvans <c...@calevans.com> wrote:
> I'd like to throw in a few comments
> 1; I like Rafael's ideas on automatic validation of groups. I was
> going to suggest auto-expiring them, sending the group leader an email
> that says "If you don't click this link within 5 days, we will remove
> your group from the list" But a good mix of ideas would work better.
> The key is to automate. Anything manual will eventually be forgotten.
> 2: I like the idea of this being sort of a Meta community site. It's
> not about PHP, it's about the community, the user groups, the
> resources available, etc. i.e. Where to get elePHPants, how to join
> O'Reilly's UG program, what other UG programs are there? etc. I like
> the idea of listing the groups so people can find them. (maps are a
> good start but let's think of other ways too) Rafael, we talked about
> a UG starter kit, this group would be a good place for that.
> 3: I would like to propose that we gather data on the community and
> publish it both in report form and in raw form for others to review. I
> would do this by creating an online questionnaire and sending it to
> the UG leaders twice a year. What we ask them is up for discussion but
> at a minimum, I would say "How many attendees do you usually have at a
> meeting?" This kind of information would be valuable when trying to
> convince corps to sponsor area-wide events, etc.
> Happy to be a part of this group.
> =C=
> On Oct 30, 11:35 am, "Thijs Feryn" <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
> > Hi everyone
> > I'm Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me
> to
> > some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global
> scale.
> > The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should be
> > one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
> > registered.
> > The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
> side
> > for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG's and their
> > admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active
> ones. I
> > actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
> > But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
> > website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I would
> > really like to contribute to that.
> > What I'm looking for the most is a place where you can get information on
> > all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, .). As mentioned by
> > Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
> > What should be known about these UG's:
> > - Where are they located?
> > - Who are the board members?
> > - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
> > - What events do they have in store (calender app)
> > - What's the latest news they posted (rss integration)
> > Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What
> should
> > be known about them:
> > - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
> > - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, .)
> > - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
> > People are always talking about "The PHP Community". It would be nice to
> see
> > how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
> > The question of course is: "how do people register their UG and member
> > profiles?" If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of spam
> or
> > basically incorrect information.
> > I guess we (I wouldn't mind doing this) could contact all the known UG's
> and
> > provide a login to the system. All others should just register themselves
> > and request access. An administrator can then examine the validity of the
> > request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
> > I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone
> is
> > interested in a different aspect
> > - The analyzing part
> > - The developing part
> > - The community interaction part
> > Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
> > information on as much UG's as possible. I will then contact theire
> > representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we
> can
> > import the data that was collected.
> > I'd like your feedback.
> > Kind regards
> > Thijs Feryn
> > Van: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com]
> > Namens Michelangelo van Dam
> > Verzonden: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
> > Aan: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
> > Onderwerp: [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
> > Hi All,
> > The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a
> way
> > for us to provide information for
> > * developers looking for a user group
> > * people that want to start a user group
> > * user group managers to contact other user group managers (besides
> > the UG admin mailinglist)
> > These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
> very
> > good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
> website.
> > Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community site...
> > just providing information.
> > Cheers,
> > Michelangelo
> > On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> > In response to:
> > "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> > open and interactive community"
> > Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
> > accomplish this ?
> > Thanks.
> > Paul.
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
> > On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
> > > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> > >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
> > >> coding away.
> > > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are
> lots
> > of
> > > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
> > >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of
> the
> > >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
> > > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
> > This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
> > working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
> > exactly what I think phpcommunity.org <http://phpcommunity.org/> should
> be.
> > Unfortunately, it's not
> > something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
> > moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
> > the discussion.
> > There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
> > what the community website should include:
> > * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
> > shouldn't try to be another one.
> > * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
> > create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
> > another one of these, either.
> > * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
> > try to be another news site or another planet site.
> > In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
> > are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
> > promote the best ones.
> > Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
> > "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
> > open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
> > resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
> > software development and Internet communities."
> > What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
> > effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
> > yet-another-community-resource-forum.
I think implementation (API) would be a breeze, but the drawing board
section is going to be the most challenging.
I agree on the questionnaire section to recive statistics and display them
in a pretty format (Maybe google charts/maps?).
Is it possible to move on from the UG module and think of different
functionality?
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rafael Dohms <rdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the "information center" idea... the site should also have a nice
> API :D
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 14:45, CalEvans <c...@calevans.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to throw in a few comments
>> 1; I like Rafael's ideas on automatic validation of groups. I was
>> going to suggest auto-expiring them, sending the group leader an email
>> that says "If you don't click this link within 5 days, we will remove
>> your group from the list" But a good mix of ideas would work better.
>> The key is to automate. Anything manual will eventually be forgotten.
>> 2: I like the idea of this being sort of a Meta community site. It's
>> not about PHP, it's about the community, the user groups, the
>> resources available, etc. i.e. Where to get elePHPants, how to join
>> O'Reilly's UG program, what other UG programs are there? etc. I like
>> the idea of listing the groups so people can find them. (maps are a
>> good start but let's think of other ways too) Rafael, we talked about
>> a UG starter kit, this group would be a good place for that.
>> 3: I would like to propose that we gather data on the community and
>> publish it both in report form and in raw form for others to review. I
>> would do this by creating an online questionnaire and sending it to
>> the UG leaders twice a year. What we ask them is up for discussion but
>> at a minimum, I would say "How many attendees do you usually have at a
>> meeting?" This kind of information would be valuable when trying to
>> convince corps to sponsor area-wide events, etc.
>> Happy to be a part of this group.
>> =C=
>> On Oct 30, 11:35 am, "Thijs Feryn" <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone
>> > I'm Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me
>> to
>> > some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global
>> scale.
>> > The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should
>> be
>> > one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
>> > registered.
>> > The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
>> side
>> > for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG's and their
>> > admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active
>> ones. I
>> > actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
>> > But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
>> > website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I
>> would
>> > really like to contribute to that.
>> > What I'm looking for the most is a place where you can get information
>> on
>> > all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, .). As mentioned
>> by
>> > Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
>> > What should be known about these UG's:
>> > - Where are they located?
>> > - Who are the board members?
>> > - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
>> > - What events do they have in store (calender app)
>> > - What's the latest news they posted (rss integration)
>> > Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What
>> should
>> > be known about them:
>> > - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
>> > - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, .)
>> > - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
>> > People are always talking about "The PHP Community". It would be nice to
>> see
>> > how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
>> > The question of course is: "how do people register their UG and member
>> > profiles?" If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of
>> spam or
>> > basically incorrect information.
>> > I guess we (I wouldn't mind doing this) could contact all the known UG's
>> and
>> > provide a login to the system. All others should just register
>> themselves
>> > and request access. An administrator can then examine the validity of
>> the
>> > request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
>> > I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone
>> is
>> > interested in a different aspect
>> > - The analyzing part
>> > - The developing part
>> > - The community interaction part
>> > Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
>> > information on as much UG's as possible. I will then contact theire
>> > representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we
>> can
>> > import the data that was collected.
>> > I'd like your feedback.
>> > Kind regards
>> > Thijs Feryn
>> > Van: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com]
>> > Namens Michelangelo van Dam
>> > Verzonden: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
>> > Aan: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
>> > Onderwerp: [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
>> > Hi All,
>> > The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a
>> way
>> > for us to provide information for
>> > * developers looking for a user group
>> > * people that want to start a user group
>> > * user group managers to contact other user group managers
>> (besides
>> > the UG admin mailinglist)
>> > These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
>> very
>> > good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
>> website.
>> > Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community site...
>> > just providing information.
>> > Cheers,
>> > Michelangelo
>> > On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>> > In response to:
>> > "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>> > open and interactive community"
>> > Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we can
>> > accomplish this ?
>> > Thanks.
>> > Paul.
>> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com> wrote:
>> > On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
>> > > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>> > >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
>> > >> coding away.
>> > > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are
>> lots
>> > of
>> > > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
>> > >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of
>> the
>> > >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
>> > > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this list.
>> > This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
>> > working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
>> > exactly what I think phpcommunity.org <http://phpcommunity.org/>
>> should be.
>> > Unfortunately, it's not
>> > something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
>> > moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open up
>> > the discussion.
>> > There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
>> > what the community website should include:
>> > * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
>> > shouldn't try to be another one.
>> > * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
>> > create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
>> > another one of these, either.
>> > * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We shouldn't
>> > try to be another news site or another planet site.
>> > In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources that
>> > are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
>> > promote the best ones.
>> > Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was it:
>> > "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>> > open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
>> > resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
>> > software development and Internet communities."
>> > What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple and
>> > effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
>> > yet-another-community-resource-forum.
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Paul Dragoonis <dragoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think implementation (API) would be a breeze, but the drawing board
> section is going to be the most challenging.
> I agree on the questionnaire section to recive statistics and display them
> in a pretty format (Maybe google charts/maps?).
> Is it possible to move on from the UG module and think of different
> functionality?
> Cheers.
> Paul Dragoonis.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rafael Dohms <rdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I like the "information center" idea... the site should also have a nice
>> API :D
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 14:45, CalEvans <c...@calevans.com> wrote:
>>> I'd like to throw in a few comments
>>> 1; I like Rafael's ideas on automatic validation of groups. I was
>>> going to suggest auto-expiring them, sending the group leader an email
>>> that says "If you don't click this link within 5 days, we will remove
>>> your group from the list" But a good mix of ideas would work better.
>>> The key is to automate. Anything manual will eventually be forgotten.
>>> 2: I like the idea of this being sort of a Meta community site. It's
>>> not about PHP, it's about the community, the user groups, the
>>> resources available, etc. i.e. Where to get elePHPants, how to join
>>> O'Reilly's UG program, what other UG programs are there? etc. I like
>>> the idea of listing the groups so people can find them. (maps are a
>>> good start but let's think of other ways too) Rafael, we talked about
>>> a UG starter kit, this group would be a good place for that.
>>> 3: I would like to propose that we gather data on the community and
>>> publish it both in report form and in raw form for others to review. I
>>> would do this by creating an online questionnaire and sending it to
>>> the UG leaders twice a year. What we ask them is up for discussion but
>>> at a minimum, I would say "How many attendees do you usually have at a
>>> meeting?" This kind of information would be valuable when trying to
>>> convince corps to sponsor area-wide events, etc.
>>> Happy to be a part of this group.
>>> =C=
>>> On Oct 30, 11:35 am, "Thijs Feryn" <th...@feryn.eu> wrote:
>>> > Hi everyone
>>> > I'm Thijs from the PHPBenelux user group and Michelangelo introduced me
>>> to
>>> > some people who were dealing with the PHP UG topic on a more global
>>> scale.
>>> > The reason why I want to help out here is because I think there should
>>> be
>>> > one place where all information on UG activity worldwide should be
>>> > registered.
>>> > The fact that there should be a website was originally something on the
>>> side
>>> > for me. My main goal is to list of all PHP UG's and their
>>> > admins/boardmembers so I could get into contact with the most active
>>> ones. I
>>> > actually wanted to make a blog post on PHP UG activity in 2009.
>>> > But now that I know that there are people out there who want to make a
>>> > website/webapplication that consolidates all of that information, I
>>> would
>>> > really like to contribute to that.
>>> > What I'm looking for the most is a place where you can get information
>>> on
>>> > all usergroups per region (continent, country, state, .). As mentioned
>>> by
>>> > Keith, a Google maps integration would be nice.
>>> > What should be known about these UG's:
>>> > - Where are they located?
>>> > - Who are the board members?
>>> > - How can we get in touch with them (email, website)
>>> > - What events do they have in store (calender app)
>>> > - What's the latest news they posted (rss integration)
>>> > Each UG has a set of active members who should have a profile. What
>>> should
>>> > be known about them:
>>> > - Who they are (name, short bio, picture)
>>> > - How they can be contacted (website, blog, twitter, .)
>>> > - What their latest blog items are (rss integration)
>>> > People are always talking about "The PHP Community". It would be nice
>>> to see
>>> > how the community is organised and who are the people behind it.
>>> > The question of course is: "how do people register their UG and member
>>> > profiles?" If we just allow anyone to subscribe, we have the risk of
>>> spam or
>>> > basically incorrect information.
>>> > I guess we (I wouldn't mind doing this) could contact all the known
>>> UG's and
>>> > provide a login to the system. All others should just register
>>> themselves
>>> > and request access. An administrator can then examine the validity of
>>> the
>>> > request and perform the necessary actions accordingly.
>>> > I noticed that there are several angles that are discussed and everyone
>>> is
>>> > interested in a different aspect
>>> > - The analyzing part
>>> > - The developing part
>>> > - The community interaction part
>>> > Do you guys agree? If you do, I would like some pointers on how to find
>>> > information on as much UG's as possible. I will then contact theire
>>> > representative and store their info. Once the application is ready, we
>>> can
>>> > import the data that was collected.
>>> > I'd like your feedback.
>>> > Kind regards
>>> > Thijs Feryn
>>> > Van: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> phpc-projects@googlegroups.com]
>>> > Namens Michelangelo van Dam
>>> > Verzonden: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 16:50
>>> > Aan: phpc-projects@googlegroups.com
>>> > Onderwerp: [phpc-projects] Re: Fwd: PHP UG's unite
>>> > Hi All,
>>> > The initial call was made by Anna Filina of PHPQuebec who was seeking a
>>> way
>>> > for us to provide information for
>>> > * developers looking for a user group
>>> > * people that want to start a user group
>>> > * user group managers to contact other user group managers
>>> (besides
>>> > the UG admin mailinglist)
>>> > These pointers, together with Ben's initial thoughts on this might be a
>>> very
>>> > good basics to start thinking about what we want to "sell" on this
>>> website.
>>> > Like mentioned before, we don't want to become another community
>>> site...
>>> > just providing information.
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Michelangelo
>>> > On 29 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>>> > In response to:
>>> > "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>>> > open and interactive community"
>>> > Do you Ben? or anyone watching, have any first-draft ideas on how we
>>> can
>>> > accomplish this ?
>>> > Thanks.
>>> > Paul.
>>> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ben Ramsey <b...@benramsey.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On 10/29/09 11:02 AM, D. Keith Casey Jr. wrote:
>>> > > Paul Dragoonis wrote:
>>> > >> That's cool, i got the impression a while back that you'd been busy
>>> > >> coding away.
>>> > > On that front, why should we build a custom application? There are
>>> lots
>>> > of
>>> > > apps *specifically* built for community... like Drupal.
>>> > >> I guess the first stage here is Analysis, functional requirements of
>>> the
>>> > >> site, do you have anything prepared for the analysis stage ?
>>> > > Agreed. I'd like to know what is considered "important" on this
>>> list.
>>> > This is why I hadn't opened this up to discussion until now. I've been
>>> > working on that list of requirements for a long time, trying to decide
>>> > exactly what I think phpcommunity.org <http://phpcommunity.org/>
>>> should be.
>>> > Unfortunately, it's not
>>> > something I've finished yet, and others seem to be very interested in
>>> > moving forward, so rather than stall others out, I've decided to open
>>> up
>>> > the discussion.
>>> > There are a few things I would like us to consider when thinking about
>>> > what the community website should include:
>>> > * There are lots and lots of PHP forums and resources on the Web. We
>>> > shouldn't try to be another one.
>>> > * There are lots and lots of community sites that allow members to
>>> > create profiles and community with each other. We shouldn't try to be
>>> > another one of these, either.
>>> > * There are already PHP news sites and there is Planet PHP. We
>>> shouldn't
>>> > try to be another news site or another planet site.
>>> > In short, I don't think we should compete with all of the resources
>>> that
>>> > are already out there. What we should do is enhance those resources and
>>> > promote the best ones.
>>> > Once upon a time, PHPCommunity.org had a purpose statement. This was
>>> it:
>>> > "PHPCommunity.org connects and unites PHP developers worldwide in an
>>> > open and interactive community, provides world-class support and
>>> > resources to the community, and advocates the adoption of PHP to the
>>> > software development and Internet communities."
>>> > What I want us to consider is how we can accomplish that in a simple
>>> and
>>> > effective way that doesn't attempt to reinvent the wheel with
>>> > yet-another-community-resource-forum.
