> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jeff McFadden <jeff.mcfad...@gmail.com>wrote:

> > When is xui going to get element.remove()? That'd get me much closer
> > to being able to use it in Magic.

> > -- Jeff

> > On Mar 10, 10:35 am, Brock Whitten <brock.whit...@nitobi.com> wrote:
> > > dashcode + xui = win

> > > magic framework and jqtouch are the ones to watch (and play with). both
> > have
> > > huge potential. Its also worth keeping an eye onhttp://cubiq.org/. he
> > has
> > > been doing some cool stuff. he is the first person to *really* solve the
> > > fixed header/footer problem.

> > > - brock

> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Elmar Schumacher <el...@aerobis.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Cool. Thanks for the update. I´ll check it out. I was originally
> > looking
> > > > for jQuery based frameworks because jQuery offers a nice, solid
> > abstraction
> > > > at low cost but I understand that CSS3 transition support offers much
> > more
> > > > in terms of smooth animations so I might just MF or even MF/jQuery.

> > > > Elmar

> > > > 2009/3/10 Jeff McFadden <jeff.mcfad...@gmail.com>

> > > >> FWIW, Inside Trader 2 is moving toward a much more iPhone-ish layout.
> > > >> Also, Magic Framework should give you as iPhone-esque of a layout as
> > > >> you want, with lists, buttons, headers, and sliding views. Of course
> > > >> it's not for everyone, but just as a point of note Magic Framework !=
> > > >> Inside Trader exactly.

> > > >> In fact, Inside Trader 1.0-1.1 doesn't even use Magic Framework at
> > > >> all.

> > > >> -- Jeff

> > > >> On Mar 10, 9:44 am, Elmar Schumacher <el...@aerobis.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Thanks for the detailed reply. Very appreciated. I´ll scan through
> > the
> > > >> > links.

> > > >> > I looked at magic framework and the resulting trader app in
> > particular.
> > > >> It
> > > >> > seems to me like the app-screens don´t look very iPhony. But I am
> > new to
> > > >> > this and probably not the right person to judge this.

> > > >> > Thanks again,
> > > >> > Elmar

> > > >> > 2009/3/10 Paul Prescod <pres...@gmail.com>

> > > >> > > As you noted, iUI's transitions are not really usable. But the
> > deeper
> > > >> > > problem is that iUI's stylesheets and code depend on the DOM
> > structure
> > > >> > > being exactly as they are in the iUI demos. If you start adding
> > > >> > > elements like headers or footers, things break. Like iUI wants
> > things
> > > >> > > in HTML > BODY > UL and things break if you have HTML > BODY >
> > DIV>
> > > >> > > UL.

> > > >> > > There are various forks of iUI and libraries "inspired by" iUI
> > that
> > > >> > > are probably more appropriate. Unfortunately, it is kind of the
> > wild
> > > >> > > west out there with various libraries each doing 70% of what the
> > other
> > > >> > > libraries do, so it's hard to point to a single one and say:
> > "That's
> > > >> > > probably what you need." New libraries sprout up more quickly than
> > > >> > > anyone has an opportunity to evaluate them. There is a list here:

> > > >> > > PhoneGap-compatible Javascript frameworks:
> > > >> > > iUI - make iPhone-feeling interfaces
> > > >> > > xUI - slimmed down jQuery work-alike
> > > >> > > Magic Framework - make fast and smooth iPhone-feeling apps with
> > > >> > > native-feeling widgets, lists, etc.
> > > >> > > Dashcode - Framework from Apple
> > > >> > > JQTouch - JQuery Plugin for Making iPhone-like apps
> > > >> > > CiUI - CNET iPhone UI
> > > >> > > Safire - Zillow JS/CSS framework (MIT License)

> > > >> > >http://phonegap.pbwiki.com/

> > > >> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Elmar Schumacher <
> > el...@aerobis.com>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > Hi there,

> > > >> > > > just wanted to know if anyone has used iui in the past to mimic
> > > >> iPhone
> > > >> > > user
> > > >> > > > interfaces with PhoneGap. Although it seems to not take
> > advantage of
> > > >> CSS3
> > > >> > > I
> > > >> > > > like its ajax-component approach, where bits and pieces get
> > loaded
> > > >> on
> > > >> > > demand
> > > >> > > > to keep loading-times small and the interface responsive.

> > > >> > > > cheers,
> > > >> > > > Elmar

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