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Elmar Schumacher  
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 More options Mar 10, 10:47 am
From: Elmar Schumacher <el...@aerobis.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:47:02 +0100
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 10:47 am
Subject: iui, magic framework - user interface design

Hi there,

just wanted to know if anyone has used iui in the past to mimic iPhone user
interfaces with PhoneGap. Although it seems to not take advantage of CSS3 I
like its ajax-component approach, where bits and pieces get loaded on demand
to keep loading-times small and the interface responsive.

cheers,
Elmar


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Paul Prescod  
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 More options Mar 10, 12:34 pm
From: Paul Prescod <pres...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:34:29 -0700
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: [PhoneGap] iui, magic framework - user interface design
As you noted, iUI's transitions are not really usable. But the deeper
problem is that iUI's stylesheets and code depend on the DOM structure
being exactly as they are in the iUI demos. If you start adding
elements like headers or footers, things break. Like iUI wants things
in HTML > BODY > UL and things break if you have HTML > BODY > DIV>
UL.

There are various forks of iUI and libraries "inspired by" iUI that
are probably more appropriate. Unfortunately, it is kind of the wild
west out there with various libraries each doing 70% of what the other
libraries do, so it's hard to point to a single one and say: "That's
probably what you need." New libraries sprout up more quickly than
anyone has an opportunity to evaluate them. There is a list here:

PhoneGap-compatible Javascript frameworks:
iUI - make iPhone-feeling interfaces
xUI - slimmed down jQuery work-alike
Magic Framework - make fast and smooth iPhone-feeling apps with
native-feeling widgets, lists, etc.
Dashcode - Framework from Apple
JQTouch - JQuery Plugin for Making iPhone-like apps
CiUI - CNET iPhone UI
Safire - Zillow JS/CSS framework (MIT License)

http://phonegap.pbwiki.com/


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Elmar Schumacher  
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 More options Mar 10, 12:44 pm
From: Elmar Schumacher <el...@aerobis.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:44:18 +0100
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: [PhoneGap] Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design

Thanks for the detailed reply. Very appreciated. I´ll scan through the
links.

I looked at magic framework and the resulting trader app in particular. It
seems to me like the app-screens don´t look very iPhony. But I am new to
this and probably not the right person to judge this.

Thanks again,
Elmar

2009/3/10 Paul Prescod <pres...@gmail.com>

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Jeff McFadden  
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 More options Mar 10, 12:47 pm
From: Jeff McFadden <jeff.mcfad...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design
FWIW, Inside Trader 2 is moving toward a much more iPhone-ish layout.
Also, Magic Framework should give you as iPhone-esque of a layout as
you want, with lists, buttons, headers, and sliding views. Of course
it's not for everyone, but just as a point of note Magic Framework !=
Inside Trader exactly.

In fact, Inside Trader 1.0-1.1 doesn't even use Magic Framework at
all.

-- Jeff

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Elmar Schumacher  
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 More options Mar 10, 12:53 pm
From: Elmar Schumacher <el...@aerobis.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:13 +0100
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [PhoneGap] Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design

Cool. Thanks for the update. I´ll check it out. I was originally looking for
jQuery based frameworks because jQuery offers a nice, solid abstraction at
low cost but I understand that CSS3 transition support offers much more in
terms of smooth animations so I might just MF or even MF/jQuery.

Elmar

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Brock Whitten  
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 More options Mar 10, 1:35 pm
From: Brock Whitten <brock.whit...@nitobi.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:35:22 -0700
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: [PhoneGap] Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design

dashcode + xui = win

magic framework and jqtouch are the ones to watch (and play with). both have
huge potential. Its also worth keeping an eye on http://cubiq.org/. he has
been doing some cool stuff. he is the first person to *really* solve the
fixed header/footer problem.

- brock


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Jeff McFadden  
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 More options Mar 10, 1:54 pm
From: Jeff McFadden <jeff.mcfad...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:54:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design
When is xui going to get element.remove()? That'd get me much closer
to being able to use it in Magic.

-- Jeff

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Brock Whitten  
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 More options Mar 10, 2:23 pm
From: Brock Whitten <brock.whit...@nitobi.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:23:47 -0700
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [PhoneGap] Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design

it has it. the syntax is exactly as you show. x$('#foobar').remove();

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 More options Mar 10, 2:27 pm
From: Jeff McFadden <jeff.mcfad...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design
well awesome

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 More options Mar 10, 3:24 pm
From: JacKlink <jacklinkproducti...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: iui, magic framework - user interface design
You can use Dashcode to make a web application and tweak the code to
your liking. That would give the ability to have the iphone look.

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