Moonies and Their UNCARING messiah !
Gordon
$10,000 dollars?
http://www.rickross.com type into this search box,Buying Brazil,or
Moon,Rev.Moon has spent millions of dollars in Brazil i read that he is
spending $8 billion dollars and has an apartment in New York that costs
$10 million dollars so it makes me wonder why Rev.Moon cant give
Rev.Jesse Edwards $10,000 dollars,there are the gold watches that
Rev.Moon hands out at conferences and they cost 1000's off dollars each
im not sure if they are $10,000 or $100,000 each.
Also type into the Rick Ross search box,Nansook Hong,Rev.Moons son who
Nansook Hong got divorced from was given 1000's of dollars a week
mainly to waste on cocaine,porno movies and prostitutes.
Robroy wrote:
Several years ago when I first learned that Jesse Edwards, a penecostal
preacher in the Philadelphia area was hooked up with the Moonies, I
contacted several penecostal pastors in the area. They were shocked to
learn that one of their own was a Moonie supporter. Apparently they
took some steps to verify what I had related. Now it seems that
something happened to the folks in Edward's church, for as the link
below will relate his church is now on the brink of bankruptcy and a
desperate appeal has gone out to the Moonies to help bail Edwards out
of his debts. But take notice that Edward's messiah with all of his
vast wealth has not volunteered to contribute a paltry $10,000. Such an
uncaring attitude on the part of the world's wealthiest messiah is
nothing new however. The Lamson family (Moonies) have been struggling
for years in Cameroon, giving body and soul to Moon's work but they too
must go begging for financial help! What did it cost Emperor Moon to
fly his private jet roundtrip from Korea to Kodiak and care for his
MANSAI CHEERING SECTION over an 11-day period? At least $1 MILLION!!!
Yet there is never any criticism coming from any of the ARU zombies
regarding their sicko messiah's SELFISH AND UNCARING attitude. But
what else might we expect from those who lost all their critical
faculties years ago.
(Robroy)
http://www.tparents.org/library/unification/talks/pearlman/pearlman%2D030928.htm
Josef Oswald
in MSG-id: <1124904938....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Gordon answered:
> Hello Robroy,this is old news
Well Gordon *you* fond the the only truth of RobBoa's post.
As my mother used to tell me "a *blind* chicken finds a corn once in a
while too", so stumbled upon it here.....
> do you know if Rev.Jesse Edwards got the
> $10,000 dollars?
What does it matter? Do you really think if the people know only the
*distortions* you guys spout here, they will send thei kids to a school
run by some-one who has some *ties* with the UM and the "second coming
of Christ"? Get real, Gordon!
>
> http://www.rickross.com type into this search box,Buying Brazil,or
> Moon,Rev.Moon has spent millions of dollars in Brazil i read that he is
> spending $8 billion dollars and has an apartment in New York that costs
> $10 million dollars so it makes me wonder why Rev.Moon cant give
> Rev.Jesse Edwards $10,000 dollars,there are the gold watches that
> Rev.Moon hands out at conferences and they cost 1000's off dollars each
> im not sure if they are $10,000 or $100,000 each.
You assume much Gordon, and just copy what other anit-cult guys have
written, BTW dear Gordon have you come up with *more* quotes by Rev.Moon
speaking about how he wants to establish a theocracy *besides* the *one*
post which has been copied umpteen times?
>
>
--
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
--
Well, I always tell my son of the woman I fucked. We discuss it
during dinner. My wife finds it funny. I even get into detail about
the proper way to eat pussy. Heck, we rent porno and make
it a family event. It will be a triple feature next Christmas.
Message-ID: <HPGdndx2fJ8...@adelphia.com>
"Danny" anticult-critic in ARU on how to raise a son....
Gordon
people have written,thats not true because then i would be
lying,decieving and misleading people,i only copy truth and facts,the
truth is hundreds of people have been damaged by followers of Rev.Moon
because of lies and deception,THIS WAS DONE TO ME by Stewart Webster
and wasted 12 years of my life and caused my life to be damaged and
wasted spiritualy and physicaly and i still dont have a wife and
children because of Stewart Webster and because they will not except
blame and responsibility then i am forced to continuosly warn
people,THIS IS THE SAME REASON THAT DRIVES Steve Hassan and other
people who accuse the moonies,THE MINIMUM I ASK FROM STEWART WEBSTER IS
AN APOLOGY to me and to the wife and children i dont have and to God
and Rev.Moon for using God and Rev.Moon to intentionaly lie,decieve and
mislead me.
Stewart Webster lives 59/5 Cockburn Street,Edinburgh,Scotland,U.K. or
FFWPU Shop,30 Easter Road,Edinburgh,Scotland,U.K. the Scottish leader
is Robert Williamson,rwilli...@compuserve.com Robert Williamson
allready said to me,why do you keep sending us letters,WHAT AN
IDIOT,they owe me a wife,children a family and 20 years and an
apology,thats why i keep sending the letters.
Tim Read is the London U.K. leader,44 Lancaster Gate,London,U.K.
tim...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/DaeMoNim/DaeMoNim-980918.htm
A quote from Dae Mo Nim near the bottom of the speech on number 6,"Do
not talk carelessly to other people or make them suffer and kill them
spiritualy,we are blessed couples and families who are living with God
and must only utter words of love"
You ask if i have came across any more quotes from Rev.Moon about
establishing an Automatic Theocracy,i have not came across any more
quotes of Rev.Moon saying this but here is the original speech from
1973.
http://www.tparents.org/Moon-Talks/sunmyungmoon73/SM730517.htm
you will find the quote 4 paragraphs up from the bottom,if this link
does not work type in this website search box http://www.tparents.org
we must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world.
Gordon Muir.
Eric
Gordon <gordonmuir...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You ask if i have came across any more quotes from Rev.Moon about
> establishing an Automatic Theocracy,i have not came across any more
> quotes of Rev.Moon saying this but here is the original speech from
> 1973.
>
> http://www.tparents.org/Moon-Talks/sunmyungmoon73/SM730517.htm
> you will find the quote 4 paragraphs up from the bottom,if this link
> does not work type in this website search box http://www.tparents.org
> we must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world.
>
> Gordon Muir.
>
Josef asked you to post something other than the one quote from over 30
years ago repeated ad nauseum. I see you have been unable to produce
anything.
You seem to have a bit of native intellect. What exactly about the
following passage that has been posted here before concerning this
mistranslation goes right over your head?
===Begin repost:
Here is the link how this wide-spread *myth* is being disproved...
http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/Feffermn/Fefferman-030
730.htm
Interpreting Fathers Words
Dan Fefferman
July 30, 2003
Dear all,
I found my copy of the old (Mrs Choi's) translation of Father's
"automatic
theocracy" passage and the new one by a translator who made a
word-for-word
interpretation, commissioned by Andrew Wilson.
First will come Mrs. Choi's extemporaneous interpretation. The
re-translation follows. According to Andrew Wilson, the re-translation
was
done in connection with a British court case in 1984, since it was known
that the "automatic theocracy" quote would come up in that case. The
method
of this translation was this: first, the recorded speech by Sun Myung
Moon
was carefully transcribed into Korean text and then translated into
English
from the transcription. Parentheses indicate the translator's sense of
references (such as pronouns) which the Korean language does not use.
The main points I see emerging from the new translation are these:
1) Rev. Moon did not say he intended "to rule the world" but to defeat
communism.
2) He never used words even resembling "automatic theocracy" but rather
described "heaven on earth" as naturally emerging from a succession of
democratically elected honest politicians.
Dan
Translation by Won Pok Choi:
"My dream is to organize a Christian political party including the
Protestant denominations, Catholics and all the religious sects. Then,
the
communist power will be helpless before ours. We are going to do this
because the communists are coming to the political scene. Before the
pulpit, all the ministers of the established churches must give their
sermon on how to smash or absorb communism--but they are not doing
that. We
are going to do this. Unless we lay the foundation for this we cannot
carry
it out. In the medieval ages, they had to separate from the
cities--statesmanship from the religious field--because people were
corrupted at that time. But when it comes to our age we must have an
automatic theocracy to rule the world--and that is logical. We have to
purge the corrupted politicians and the sons of God must rule the
world.
New translation
It is Teacher's dream to make an international level Christian political
party, a coalition of Catholics and Protestants throughout the world.
That
is, I desire to create a Christian political party centering on our
Unification Church in each country gathering all Catholic people,
Protestant people and (non-religious) people from throughout the
world. Then we should quickly dissuade (people) from communism. Because
communism is gaining political influence, it is Teacher's view that
things
will get worse unless we democratic Christians build a similar
foundation.
These days, Catholic priests and Protestant ministers ought to preach
that
we should act to stop international communism. They are not doing that
now. I think this is needed because I believe it is impossible to
effectively stop communism unless (democratic Christians) build this
kind
of foundation.
That religion and politics should be separated is a theory that arose at
the end of the Middle Ages to prevent the misuse of power after the
Papacy
had become corrupt. Let's see, how did democracy start? What was its
source? Democracy was born out of the Reformation against the corrupt
Catholic Church. Because of this origin, religion and politics were
separated.
What? Separate religion from politics? Why separate religion from
politics?
Why separate politics from religion? Can you separate God from
politics?
God is active in the realization of all human affairs. Therefore, when
the
democracies produce a succession of many uncorrupted politicians, it
will
become heaven on earth. Don't you agree that this is the way it should
be?
Gordon
Hello Eric you and Joseph asked me to find a recent quote from Rev.Moon
to back up the Automatic Theocracy quote from 1973,go to the 1989
speech called The Age of Heavenly Parentism.
Gordon
about controling the world,CLICK ON the website above,Sun Myung Moon
Talks,go to the 1989
speech called,The Age of Heavenly Parentism,go half way down to where
it says,For that reason Great Britain,then 3 sentences down it
says,"For this to happen in a way Father launched WWII",then 11
paragraphs under that where it says,Until right after WWII Satan had
been king,then it says,"However when the True Parents realm is restored
the new order will create the new True Parents kingship with the
parents controlling the world".
Gordon Muir.