Nutty Attacks On ACORN
John H. Fisher
In recent weeks, conservatives have escalated their attacks on ACORN,
the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
Conservative lawmakers were able to remove a provision aimed at aiding
low-income housing programs from the Bush administration’s $700
billion economic bailout bill by calling it a "slush fund" for ACORN.
Before that, conservatives blamed ACORN for "precipitating the
subprime crisis." And last week, they alleged that the "purpose" of
ACORN is to engage in voter fraud. However, as columnist Joel McNally
correctly noted, the "underlying motive for attacking ACORN" seems to
be that it is the "nation's largest grassroots community organization
of low- and moderate-income people." "It is an organization that
engages in that dreaded community organizing," McNally wrote. "It
actually tries to give a voice to the poor and most vulnerable among
us." Indeed, after years of enacting policies catering to the wealthy,
the right-wing seems to be fearful of millions of new low-income
voters registered by ACORN casting their ballots in favor of
progressive policies.
VOTER 'FRAUD': In early October, ACORN announced that it had
registered 1.3 million new voters for the November election. Seizing
on reports of apparently fraudulent voter registrations in some
states, conservatives began claiming that the "purpose" of ACORN is to
commit "voter fraud." However, all that was found during a raid of
ACORN's office in Nevada was apparently fraudulent voter registration
forms, which do not constitute voter fraud. "It's not voter fraud
unless someone shows up at the voting booth on election day and tries
to pass himself off as 'Tony Romo.'" And who would try to do that?"
wrote Rep. Jesse Jackson (D-IL). As New York University's Brennan
Center for Justice noted, "[T]here are no reports that we have
discovered of votes actually cast in the names of [false]
registrants." Under most state laws, in fact, voter registration
organizations like ACORN are required to turn in all the forms they
receive, even the suspicious ones. Furthermore, as Brad Friedman
pointed out in the Guardian, "[I]f [ACORN] can't authenticate the
registration, or it's incomplete or questionable in other ways, they
flag that form as problematic...In almost every case where you've
heard about fraud by Acorn, it's because Acorn itself notified
officials about the fraud that's been perpetrated on them by rogue
canvassers."
THE ECONOMIC CRISIS: Before alleging that it was engaging in voter
fraud, conservatives claimed that ACORN was responsible for the
subprime crisis and the ensuing financial meltdown. Stanley Kurtz
wrote in the National Review that ACORN "had a major role in
precipitating the subprime crisis," and then said in the New York Post
that ACORN helped "undermine the US economy by pushing the banking
system into a sinkhole of bad loans." Thomas DiLorenzo claimed that
ACORN forced lenders to make bad loans to low-income people "through a
process that sounds like legalized extortion." However, the claim that
ACORN -- or loans to low-income people in general -- caused the
financial crisis by enabling lower-income families to buy homes has
been debunked again and again. As Daniel Gross wrote in Newsweek,
"[D]id AIG plunge into the credit-default swaps business with abandon
because ACORN members picketed its offices? Please." Most economists
blame the current crisis on market failure and sparse regulation, but
conservatives are attempting to draw attention elsewhere by smearing
the victims of predatory lending and implicating ACORN.
A LONG-RUNNING CAMPAIGN: Last Friday, conservative members of Congress
"sent a letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey requesting the
Department of Justice ensure that the actions of ACORN did not violate
federal laws." But conservatives have gone down this road before, only
to find nothing. In 2004, ACORN faced three lawsuits pertaining to
alleged voter fraud, all of which were dismissed. As noted at the
time, "several politically motivated law firms brought baseless
charges of voter registration fraud against ACORN in an effort to
inhibit its work to register low-income and minority voters." But the
Bush administration was so intent on furthering these trumped-up
charges of voter fraud that in 2006 attorneys from the Department of
Justice -- including New Mexico's David Iglesias -- were fired for not
pursuing fraud cases "to the satisfaction of their bosses." Revealing
the shallowness of the conservative outrage though, the New York Times
reported last week that "tens of thousands of eligible voters in at
least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been
blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law."
This has garnered scant attention compared to the uproar surrounding
ACORN
John Black
68b5e8...@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, TaxSe...@aol.com says...
> Nutty Attacks On ACORN
Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter fraud
all over the country and who along with Obama and the rest of the democrats
being showered with Fannie/Freddie money pushed subprime loans via lawsuits
and other forms of intimidation.
John Black
Art Clemons
> Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter
> fraud all over the country and who along with Obama and the rest of the
> democrats being showered with Fannie/Freddie money pushed subprime loans
> via lawsuits and other forms of intimidation.
What massive voter fraud? Workers at ACORN are apparently turning in
incomplete registration forms (incidentally as required by law in most
states) and also either those filling out the forms or ACORN workers are
making up fraudulent voters. Neither subset i.e. those who claim to be
George dumbya Bushleague or names added by ACORN workers are going to get
to vote based just on the registration, so logically, where is the massive
voter fraud you're proclaiming by ACORN?
mh
> In article <00d57ffc-3e1c-4cf2-9aa1-
> 68b5e8...@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, TaxSe...@aol.com says...
>> Nutty Attacks On ACORN
>
> Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter fraud
>
You *do* realize that ACORN, like all other groups doing voter
registration, are required, by law, to submit ALL voter registration
applications they receive?
You *do* realize that you need to demonstrate that people have illegally
voted using these fraudulent registrations before your pathetic whines
will be taken seriously, don't you?
And you *do* realize McCain is a friend of ACORN, too, don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_y2KwbhBJo
Y'know, Jack, your desperation really doesn't endear you to anyone ...
D.F. Manno
> John Black wrote:
> > TaxSe...@aol.com says...
> >
> >> Nutty Attacks On ACORN
> >
> > Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter
> > fraud
>
> You *do* realize that ACORN, like all other groups doing voter
> registration, are required, by law, to submit ALL voter registration
> applications they receive?
And that when ACORN comes across apparently defective registrations,
they themselves report it to the authorities.
> You *do* realize that you need to demonstrate that people have illegally
> voted using these fraudulent registrations before your pathetic whines
> will be taken seriously, don't you?
There's really little risk that fraudulent registrations will lead to
voter fraud. I doubt the officials at the polling place are going to let
someone signing in as "Mickey Mouse" vote. And if duplicate
registrations occur, the officials will catch it if someone tries to
vote twice under that name.
Also, despite unceasing claims by Republicans, very little real vote
fraud - someone intentionally voting illegally - is committed. Even the
Republican U.S. attorneys who were fired by Alberto "Speedy" Gonzales
couldn't find actual examples of vote fraud.
--
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Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit
without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce)
Mike Smith
wrote:
>In article <gd3599$naf$1...@aioe.org>, mh <hobra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Black wrote:
>> > TaxSe...@aol.com says...
>> >
>> >> Nutty Attacks On ACORN
>> >
>> > Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter
>> > fraud
>>
>> You *do* realize that ACORN, like all other groups doing voter
>> registration, are required, by law, to submit ALL voter registration
>> applications they receive?
>
>And that when ACORN comes across apparently defective registrations,
>they themselves report it to the authorities.
>
>> You *do* realize that you need to demonstrate that people have illegally
>> voted using these fraudulent registrations before your pathetic whines
>> will be taken seriously, don't you?
>
>There's really little risk that fraudulent registrations will lead to
>voter fraud. I doubt the officials at the polling place are going to let
>someone signing in as "Mickey Mouse" vote. And if duplicate
>registrations occur, the officials will catch it if someone tries to
>vote twice under that name.
>
>Also, despite unceasing claims by Republicans, very little real vote
>fraud - someone intentionally voting illegally - is committed. Even the
>Republican U.S. attorneys who were fired by Alberto "Speedy" Gonzales
>couldn't find actual examples of vote fraud.
Yes, folks... These liberal fools ARE this stupid.
Just because Obama gives ACORN $800,000 from his own campaign to "get
out the vote", doesn't mean ACORN really wants to "get out the vote".
They just want to register "voters". They really don't think their
"voters" will actually vote.
Yea, you have to be really dumb to believe what the liberal fools are
trying to say about "voter fraud".
More proof that liberals are truly stupid creatures.
Mike Smith
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> Yea, you have to be really dumb to believe what the liberal fools are
> trying to say about "voter fraud".
And you have to fall for normal right wing propaganda to believe that people
who try to register to vote as Mickey Mouse or don't fill out an entire
form are going to get to vote. It's really bizarre to find folks who live
in states which require lots of ID to vote at least the first time, are
worried because faulty voter registration forms are submitted. I hate to
tell you this, but unless the alleged phony voters can come up with the
proper ID, they don't get to vote. Of course, even in the old days when
you didn't have to produce any ID, such folk normally didn't get to vote,
since the local poll workers detected such things.
OK, fine, you have a problem with ACORN, now explain how it will affect the
election.
George Kerby
On 10/14/08 2:57 PM, in article
MPG.235eb58f6...@news.motzarella.org, "John Black"
<jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
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decimal points?
John Black
dfm...@mail.com says...
> There's really little risk that fraudulent registrations will lead to
> voter fraud. I doubt the officials at the polling place are going to let
> someone signing in as "Mickey Mouse" vote.
Mickey Mouse is probably the one example that would not be allowed. Now
that democrats have successfully gotten rid of the picture id requirements
in most states, they have enabled the kind of voter fraud that they wanted
all along (with ACORN providing the setup). If they register Terrell Owens
in one precinct, and a guy shows up and says he's Owens, he votes without
needing to show an id. Then if he goes to the next precinct and votes as
Dion Saunders, he's Dion Saunders. They register fake people after removing
the one check that could prevent from actually voting. If anyone wondered
why democrats were against picture ids for voting, they can't be wondering
anymore...
John Black
D.F. Manno
John Black <jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
> Mickey Mouse is probably the one example that would not be allowed. Now
> that democrats have successfully gotten rid of the picture id requirements
> in most states, they have enabled the kind of voter fraud that they wanted
> all along (with ACORN providing the setup). If they register Terrell Owens
> in one precinct, and a guy shows up and says he's Owens, he votes without
> needing to show an id. Then if he goes to the next precinct and votes as
> Dion Saunders, he's Dion Saunders. They register fake people after removing
> the one check that could prevent from actually voting. If anyone wondered
> why democrats were against picture ids for voting, they can't be wondering
> anymore...
And as the Republican U.S. attorneys and a number of studies have found,
this happens very rarely.
If you have evidence otherwise, instead of just your fevered delusions,
let's see it.
D.F. Manno
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> Yes, folks... These liberal fools ARE this stupid.
>
> Just because Obama gives ACORN $800,000 from his own campaign to "get
> out the vote", doesn't mean ACORN really wants to "get out the vote".
> They just want to register "voters". They really don't think their
> "voters" will actually vote.
>
> Yea, you have to be really dumb to believe what the liberal fools are
> trying to say about "voter fraud".
>
> More proof that liberals are truly stupid creatures.
IOW, you've got nothing, so you throw mud.
John H. Fisher
> In article <dfmanno-A5EDB6.20372414102...@reader.motzarella.org>,
> dfma...@mail.com says...
"The Truth About Voter Fraud
As the 2008 election process draws near -- and with early voting in
many states having already begun -- conservatives are raising a great
hue and cry about the threat of voter fraud. Attacks have centered on
the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the
"nation's largest grassroots community organization of low- and
moderate-income people," whose workers have registered 1.3 million new
voters this year. Conservatives like Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL) and former
Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell have seized on reports of
improperly filled-out forms as evidence of "lawlessness" and "voting
fraud," which will lead to "the kind of chaos you expect from a
category-five hurricane." But mass voter fraud is just a conservative
myth used to justify increasing the difficulty of the voting process.
In an interview with Salon, Lori Minnite, a professor of political
science at Barnard College who investigated allegations of widespread
voter fraud, explained, "From 2002 to 2005 only one person was found
guilty of registration fraud. Twenty people were found guilty of
voting while ineligible and five people were found guilty of voting
more than once. That's 26 criminal voters -- voters who vote twice,
impersonate other people, vote without being a resident ... Meanwhile
thousands of people are getting turned away at the polls."
COMPLEX AND ONEROUS RULES: Although the United States has a long and
dark history of voter disenfranchisement and voter suppression, recent
laws passed at the state and federal level have focused instead on the
vaporous threat of voter fraud. These laws particularly discourage the
poor and the young. Because voting, even for federal elections, is
regulated by state law and administered at the local level, there is
no consistent standard for voting machines, ballot design, the
counting of provisional ballots, or voter identification. The 2002
Help America Vote Act (HAVA) requires that "any voter who has not
previously voted in a federal election" must provide a form of ID.
But "twenty-four states have broader voter identification requirements
than what HAVA mandates" -- seven require photo ID for all voters, and
17 more require some form of ID. In April, the U.S. Supreme Court
upheld Indiana's draconian photo ID law that could disenfranchise as
many as 400,000 voters, although Indiana Secretary of State Todd
Rokita "conceded the state has never presented a case of 'voter
impersonation.'" In his dissent, Justice David Souter compared
Indiana's unjustified regulations to a poll tax, "because it
correlates with no state interest so well as it does with the object
of deterring poorer residents from exercising the franchise."
MASS DISENFRANCHISEMENT AND INTIMIDATION: Last week, the New York
Times reported that "[t]ens of thousands of eligible voters in at
least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been
blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law."
Last Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy issued a scathing
order Wednesday "lambasting the Montana Republican Party for
challenging the registrations of thousands of Montana voters,"
writing, "The timing of these challenges is so transparent that it
defies common sense to believe the purpose is anything but political
chicanery." On Sunday, the Ohio Republican Party "requested
information on voters who registered to vote and cast an early ballot
on the same day," not long after Greene County Sheriff Gene Fischer
requested registration information -- including driver's license and
Social Security numbers -- "for the 302 voters who took advantage of
the window in that county, which has five colleges and universities,
including two historically black colleges." In Indiana, state NAACP
president Barbara Bolling said voters in three northern cities "are
being disenfranchised each day they can't cast ballots at their local
clerk's offices," after "two Republicans on the Lake County Election
Board voted against the sites last month, contending in-person
absentee voting makes vote fraud easier." In Colorado, the El Paso
county clerk Bob Balink has engaged in an "emerging and consistent
pattern" of purging voter rolls and challenging inaccurate
registration information as "election fraud."
ROVE'S FINGERPRINTS: The Department of Justice, whose responsibilities
include ensuring the right to fair elections, was subverted by the
Bush administration to pursue the false threat of voter fraud. In
2002, former attorney general John Ashcroft announced an initiative
that required "all components of the Department" to "place a high
priority on the investigation and prosecution of election fraud." The
2006 purge of eight U.S. attorneys -- all lifelong Republicans -- at
the behest of the Bush White House exposed the depths of this
politicization. The White House justified the dismissals by telling
reporters, "President Bush mentioned to Attorney General Alberto R.
Gonzales in October that he had heard complaints from Congress that
some federal prosecutors were lax in pursuing voter fraud." As the
Washington Post reported last year, "Nearly half the U.S. attorneys
slated for removal by the administration last year were targets of
Republican complaints that they were lax on voter fraud, including
efforts by presidential adviser Karl Rove to encourage more
prosecutions of election-law violations," Rove has made it his
specialty to raise the specter of vote fraud throughout his political
career, from his days working on state races in Alabama."
Pallin' 'round with BB
> In article <6blbf4tknh3uuo994...@4ax.com>,
> Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, folks... These liberal fools ARE this stupid.
>>
>> Just because Obama gives ACORN $800,000 from his own campaign to "get
>> out the vote", doesn't mean ACORN really wants to "get out the vote".
>> They just want to register "voters". They really don't think their
>> "voters" will actually vote.
>>
>> Yea, you have to be really dumb to believe what the liberal fools are
>> trying to say about "voter fraud".
>>
>> More proof that liberals are truly stupid creatures.
>
> IOW, you've got nothing, so you throw mud.
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John Black
dfm...@mail.com says...
> In article <MPG.235fbdd24...@news.motzarella.org>,
> John Black <jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
>
> > Mickey Mouse is probably the one example that would not be allowed. Now
> > that democrats have successfully gotten rid of the picture id requirements
> > in most states, they have enabled the kind of voter fraud that they wanted
> > all along (with ACORN providing the setup). If they register Terrell Owens
> > in one precinct, and a guy shows up and says he's Owens, he votes without
> > needing to show an id. Then if he goes to the next precinct and votes as
> > Dion Saunders, he's Dion Saunders. They register fake people after removing
> > the one check that could prevent from actually voting. If anyone wondered
> > why democrats were against picture ids for voting, they can't be wondering
> > anymore...
>
> And as the Republican U.S. attorneys and a number of studies have found,
> this happens very rarely.
How would anyone really know how often it happens. Once cast, the ballots
cannot be tied to any voter because they are secret ballots. Why not have
picture id so no one has to wonder how "rare" it is? The answer is because
you want to enable the fraud to occur because you know which party is
benefiting.
John Black
John H. Fisher
> In article <dfmanno-6FC3AC.12360115102...@reader.motzarella.org>,
> dfma...@mail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <MPG.235fbdd24c531a86989...@news.motzarella.org>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Commercial organizations such as banks typically do not try to
authenticate the identity of a person, but rather the validity of a
transactions (e.g. by signature or pin number) due to the acknowledged
difficulty in reliably identifying an individual in a fraud proof and
convenient manner.
It has been argued that identity cards impose a disproportionate
burden upon both government and citizens while empowering the
executive, which is contrary to the maxim: "the government that
governs best, governs least". Some have pointed out that extensive
lobbying for identity cards has been undertaken, in countries without
compulsory identity cards, by IT companies who will be likely to reap
rich benefits in the event of an identity card scheme being
implemented.
Cards with centralised database could be used to track anyone's
movements and private life, thus endangering privacy. The proposed
British ID card (see next section) will involve a series of linked
databases, to be managed by the private sector. Managing disparate
linked systems using a range of institutions and any number of
personnel is alleged to be a security disaster in the making.[7]
A requirement to carry an identity card at all times can lead to the
inconvenience of arbitrary requests from card controllers (such as the
police). This can lead to functionality creep whereby carrying a card
becomes de facto if not de jure compulsory, as in the case of Social
Security numbers, which are now widely used as ID.
Government claims that identity cards will prevent crimes may not be
based in fact. The former UK Home Secretary Charles Clarke conceded
that identity cards may only be useful in the identification of bodies
in the aftermath of a crime. As a strong presumption of identity is
given in favour of a card holder, the identity card scheme might be an
asset to potential terrorists.
In many cases, other forms of documentation such as a driver's
license, passport, or Medicare card serve a similar function on a more
limited scale, and thus an ID card is not needed.
The cost of introducing and administering an identity card system can
be very high. Figures from �30 (US$60) to �90 or even higher have been
suggested for the proposed UK ID card.[8]
In some countries where ID cards were required to show religious
affiliation (as used to be the case in Greece) or ethnic background,
this led to cases of discrimination. Under some interpretations of
Sharia law, apostate Muslims may be sentenced to death. Malaysia's
identity cards only state the religion if a person's religion is
Islam. This can become a bureaucratic nightmare or even lead to death
when a person changes his or her affiliation.
Some schemes do not adequately take into account whether data subjects
have legitimate reasons to conceal their identity. Victims of domestic
violence, witnesses in criminal investigations and trials, and others,
may not want their identity or locations to be widely known. Some
proposed schemes also do not adequately address these considerations.
http://www.fullidentity.com/
ID cards could lead to an increase in identity fraud since it would
lead to official reliance on a card or document that can be forged. No
country has ever successfully produced a totally unforgeable ID card.
Also stolen ID cards have also been used for identity fraud. Some
countries have no expiration time, so that the photos can be old and
unreliable, making stolen cards easier to use.
Rather than focus on government-issued ID cards, federal policy has
the alternative to encourage the variety of identification systems
that exist in the private marketplace today. Many of the private
systems already provide better assurance of identity and
trustworthiness than many government-issued ID cards.[9]
John H. Fisher
> In article <dfmanno-6FC3AC.12360115102...@reader.motzarella.org>,
> dfma...@mail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
John H. Fisher
> John Black wrote:
> > In article <00d57ffc-3e1c-4cf2-9aa1-
> >> Nutty Attacks On ACORN
>
> > Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter fraud
>
> You *do* realize that ACORN, like all other groups doing voter
> registration, are required, by law, to submit ALL voter registration
> applications they receive?
>
> You *do* realize that you need to demonstrate that people have illegally
> voted using these fraudulent registrations before your pathetic whines
> will be taken seriously, don't you?
>
> And you *do* realize McCain is a friend of ACORN, too, don't you?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_y2KwbhBJo
>
> Y'know, Jack, your desperation really doesn't endear you to anyone ...
Y'know, mh, the Right's doing everything it can to whip up "voter
fraud" paranoia! But the math just doesn't add up.
Accusations of widespread voter fraud have been disproved time and
time again. Yet Fox News, Lou Dobbs and the McCain-Palin campaign
continue to equate inaccurate or incomplete information on
registration forms with a vast conspiracy to have people vote
illegally (a conspiracy that would be logistically impossible to pull
off)... distracting from the Right's truly dangerous efforts to purge
valid voters from the rolls.
We can't let the Right get away with this! We need your help to expose
the truth and stop the Right's efforts before it's too late. Already
this year, we have seen the extent to which the Right will go to
impact the election:
In Michigan, the state GOP had planned to challenge the voting
eligibility of victims of home foreclosures... they've since backed
off those efforts (publicly, at least) thanks to pressure brought by
groups like People For.
In Montana, the state Republican party moved to challenge 6,000
registrations in Democratic-leaning counties (Republican Party
Executive Director Jacob Eaton said they were trying to guard against
"voter fraud")... they ultimately dropped the challenge thanks again
to the generation of attention to the matter.
And a right-wing report alleging that up to 333,000 noncitizens may be
registered to vote in Texas was just thoroughly debunked by an
investigation by county elections administrators saying there is NO
evidence of widespread voter fraud.
But you can help People For the American Way fight for a clean and
fair election!
We've been out front in exposing these egregious attempts by the Right
to challenge eligible voters. In many cases, sunlight has been the
best disinfectant -- and we've succeeded in stopping the efforts
before harm could be done.
People For the American Way and People For the American Way Foundation
are making sure poll workers are armed with the facts and empowered to
stand up to vote challengers on Election Day. People For the American
Way Foundation has already completed 22 major trainings around the
country and is currently engaged in statewide poll worker trainings
that will reach thousands of poll workers in eight key states.
People For Foundation has distributed thousands of voter ID toolkits,
voter ID flyers and other voting materials and will be reaching tens
of thousands of voters with voter ID palm cards in the most critical
states where voter suppression efforts are taking place.
THERE ARE ONLY 19 DAYS LEFT! Help expose the "voter fraud" myth for
what it is: a distraction from the Right's despicable tactics of voter
intimidation and direct challenges to tens of thousands of eligible
voters.
-- Kathryn Kolbert, President
P.S. Fox News has been hammering the "voter fraud" message constantly,
and it's fitting that one of the main "experts" they've been
interviewing is Hans Von Spakovsky, a Bush administration official who
has made an entire career out of figuring out ways to deny voters
ballot access. It reiterates that what we're up against is a
coordinated effort that includes the entire right-wing media echo
chamber as well as the current administration.
Mike Smith
You appear to be another stupid liberal fool, based on your post.
For the normal folks, the ACORN socialistic scum want to flood the
election officials with tons of "new:" applicants, expecting hundreds,
maybe thousands of their fraudulent registrations to be allowed,
giving the ACORN members multiple chances for multiple votes. They
have no moral code, so screwing the citizens of the USA is no problem
for them. And the nearest flea market could furnish you with whatever
ID you wanted, for cheap!
I think we need a hunting season for the anti-American socialists.
Kill a few of them, and they will go back into hiding for a while. I'd
pay $250 for a hunting license with two socialist tags. We could help
our government increase their income. I'm betting they could sell
hundreds of thousands of those licenses. {do the math!}
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
wrote:
>In article <6blbf4tknh3uuo994...@4ax.com>,
> Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, folks... These liberal fools ARE this stupid.
>>
>> Just because Obama gives ACORN $800,000 from his own campaign to "get
>> out the vote", doesn't mean ACORN really wants to "get out the vote".
>> They just want to register "voters". They really don't think their
>> "voters" will actually vote.
>>
>> Yea, you have to be really dumb to believe what the liberal fools are
>> trying to say about "voter fraud".
>>
>> More proof that liberals are truly stupid creatures.
>
>IOW, you've got nothing, so you throw mud.
Let's see if you are competent enough to make that statement.
If you add 2+2 ten times, how often do you get "4"?
Mike Smith
Pallin' 'round with BB
Let's see, now you're making generalized threats toward a specific
group over state lines. Care to be more... specific,... A_gent Smif?
Pallin' 'round with BB
Once, A_gent Smif.
Mike Smith
would freeze and sell being ignored by KD the Merciless!)
<iqbl...@qimail.com> wrote:
Thanks for posting more proof that you libtards are stupid creatures.
{Watch this, folks! I'll bumfuzzle him}
Exactly what "generalized threat" did I make, BBB?
Mike Smith
D.F. Manno
John Black <jbl...@texas.net> wrote:
> Why not have
> picture id so no one has to wonder how "rare" it is?
Once upon a time, conservatives were _opposed_ to national ID cards.
Art Clemons
> You appear to be another stupid liberal fool, based on your post.
Which would only make me about 700% more intelligent than your posts
indicate you are. Oh well! If you're going to do personal attacks, the
least you could do is be creative, instead of repeating some talking point
you likely read on the stall of a Men's room.
> For the normal folks, the ACORN socialistic scum want to flood the
> election officials with tons of "new:" applicants, expecting hundreds,
> maybe thousands of their fraudulent registrations to be allowed,
> giving the ACORN members multiple chances for multiple votes. They
> have no moral code, so screwing the citizens of the USA is no problem
> for them. And the nearest flea market could furnish you with whatever
> ID you wanted, for cheap!
One more time, where is the evidence that people are getting to vote with
phony ID? I suspect you can't provide any, there is little verified voter
fraud and the easiest way to have fraudulent votes is to have lots of
absentee votes. Not only can the dead vote, so can the non-existent.
Art Clemons
> How would anyone really know how often it happens. Once cast, the ballots
> cannot be tied to any voter because they are secret ballots. Why not have
> picture id so no one has to wonder how "rare" it is? The answer is
> because you want to enable the fraud to occur because you know which party
> is benefiting.
So should the state be responsible for providing verifiable ID? How do
folks like the retired nuns in Indiana get to vote under any scheme you set
up? Finally, the biggest source of potential fraud is the absentee ballot.
You cannot ask for ID before giving or getting an absentee ballot, yet you
fail to address the easiest way to produce lots of vote fraud essentially
undetected.
Art Clemons
> If you add 2+2 ten times, how often do you get "4"?
In base 2 or base 3, or indeed any base less than base 4, never.
John H. Fisher
> On 10/14/08 2:57 PM, in article
> >> Nutty Attacks On ACORN
>
> > Yes, "Nutty Attacks" on an organization in the middle of massive voter fraud
> > all over the country and who along with Obama and the rest of the democrats
> > being showered with Fannie/Freddie money pushed subprime loans via lawsuits
> > and other forms of intimidation.
>
> > John Black
>
> Whattya expect from a supposed accountant who interchanges commas with
> decimal points?
ACORN, which has been held out as a bogeyman for voter fraud (though
only 26 TOTAL cases of voter fraud were prosecuted nationwide from
2002 - 2005), has bad registration rates below the California
Republican Party's and a lawsuit alleging fraud in 2004 was dismissed
by a judge for lack of merit?
John H. Fisher
> In article <dfmanno-6FC3AC.12360115102...@reader.motzarella.org>,
> dfma...@mail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
ACORN, which has been held out as a bogeyman for voter fraud (though
Mike Smith
Typical liberal buffoon. You just cannot see what is right in front of
your face, can you. {No logic, no common sense, no brains...
Congratulations Art, you are the typical liberal.}
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>> You appear to be another stupid liberal fool, based on your post.
>
>Which would only make me about 700% more intelligent than your posts
>indicate you are. Oh well! If you're going to do personal attacks, the
>least you could do is be creative, instead of repeating some talking point
>you likely read on the stall of a Men's room.
You do have some rather weird fantasies about me. That's not unusual
for you people, but it is still strange.
>
>> For the normal folks, the ACORN socialistic scum want to flood the
>> election officials with tons of "new:" applicants, expecting hundreds,
>> maybe thousands of their fraudulent registrations to be allowed,
>> giving the ACORN members multiple chances for multiple votes. They
>> have no moral code, so screwing the citizens of the USA is no problem
>> for them. And the nearest flea market could furnish you with whatever
>> ID you wanted, for cheap!
>
>
>One more time, where is the evidence that people are getting to vote with
>phony ID? I suspect you can't provide any, there is little verified voter
>fraud and the easiest way to have fraudulent votes is to have lots of
>absentee votes. Not only can the dead vote, so can the non-existent.
If you cannot find the information, come back and ask me politely, and
I'll hand-feed you the links.
Mike Smith
Art Clemons
>>> If you add 2+2 ten times, how often do you get "4"?
>>
>>In base 2 or base 3, or indeed any base less than base 4, never.
>
> Typical liberal buffoon. You just cannot see what is right in front of
> your face, can you. {No logic, no common sense, no brains...
> Congratulations Art, you are the typical liberal.}
Unfortunately I guess giving a factually true answer to your question makes
me a buffoon in your very humble opinion. That implies you know so little
you cannot figure out that you got got! No problem, all you apparently are
capable of is personal attacks and demonstrating you're half way to being a
wit.
Art Clemons
Nice idea, but why don't you try demonstrating you can use it, rather than
telling me I can search google.
Mike Smith
Because I do not think you are capable of doing basic research, and
depend heavily on left-wing nut-case sites to get your information.
This is a test to see if you actually have any investigative skills.
So far, you are failing. And your intentional snippage of the subject
seems to indicate you will continue to fail.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
You are the imbecile that injected base 2 & base 3 into a simple math
question. You have clearly demonstrated your lack of any basic
critical thought skills.
No right answer, no wrong answer... liberal & socialist leaders need
lots of people like you, if they ever hope to gain the power they want
over normal folks & your kind of folks.
Mike Smith
Pallin' 'round with BB
A_gent Smif
Pallin' 'round with BB
Mike Smith
Congratulations, you can copy & paste.
And now, to answer my question, exactly why would you consider that
paragraph a "generalized threat", instead of a revenue enhancement
suggestion for your precious Big Government?
{This is almost too easy!}
Mike Smith
D.F. Manno
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> Art Clemons wrote:
> > Mike Smith wrote:
> >
> >> For the normal folks, the ACORN socialistic scum want to flood the
> >> election officials with tons of "new:" applicants, expecting hundreds,
> >> maybe thousands of their fraudulent registrations to be allowed,
> >> giving the ACORN members multiple chances for multiple votes. They
> >> have no moral code, so screwing the citizens of the USA is no problem
> >> for them. And the nearest flea market could furnish you with whatever
> >> ID you wanted, for cheap!
> >
> >
> >One more time, where is the evidence that people are getting to vote with
> >phony ID? I suspect you can't provide any, there is little verified voter
> >fraud and the easiest way to have fraudulent votes is to have lots of
> >absentee votes. Not only can the dead vote, so can the non-existent.
>
> www.google.com
>
> If you cannot find the information, come back and ask me politely, and
> I'll hand-feed you the links.
It's your claim, the burden of proof is on you.
Art Clemons
> Because I do not think you are capable of doing basic research, and
> depend heavily on left-wing nut-case sites to get your information.
Good for you, there are folks who believe that the earth is flat too, that
doesn't mean said folks aren't ignoring contrary data. You are ignoring
contrary data and relying on sources not exactly known for accuracy.
> This is a test to see if you actually have any investigative skills.
> So far, you are failing. And your intentional snippage of the subject
> seems to indicate you will continue to fail.
The burden is on you to prove that what you claimed had at least some
relationship to reality. If you cannot, that's all that need be said.
Telling me to google some topic makes little logical sense. You stated it
was there.
The other point is that your claim you want to investigate my skills is
irrelevant. If you cannot provide support for your claims, then you lack
even the support you credit to "left-wing" "nut-case" sites.
Mike Smith
wrote:
>In article <svbdf45i737tten97...@4ax.com>,
> Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
>> Art Clemons wrote:
>> > Mike Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >> For the normal folks, the ACORN socialistic scum want to flood the
>> >> election officials with tons of "new:" applicants, expecting hundreds,
>> >> maybe thousands of their fraudulent registrations to be allowed,
>> >> giving the ACORN members multiple chances for multiple votes. They
>> >> have no moral code, so screwing the citizens of the USA is no problem
>> >> for them. And the nearest flea market could furnish you with whatever
>> >> ID you wanted, for cheap!
>> >
>> >
>> >One more time, where is the evidence that people are getting to vote with
>> >phony ID? I suspect you can't provide any, there is little verified voter
>> >fraud and the easiest way to have fraudulent votes is to have lots of
>> >absentee votes. Not only can the dead vote, so can the non-existent.
>>
>> www.google.com
>>
>> If you cannot find the information, come back and ask me politely, and
>> I'll hand-feed you the links.
>
>It's your claim, the burden of proof is on you.
Are you asking me to furnish the information for you, because you
cannot find it?
Is that what I'm reading?
Mike Smith
Art Clemons
> You are the imbecile that injected base 2 & base 3 into a simple math
> question. You have clearly demonstrated your lack of any basic
> critical thought skills.
base 4 actually doesn't work either. You didn't specify a base and your
insulting tone meant you were making unwarranted assumptions.
> No right answer, no wrong answer... liberal & socialist leaders need
> lots of people like you, if they ever hope to gain the power they want
> over normal folks & your kind of folks.
Let's see, the right wing insisted that less regulation would improve the
US. Further, we were told that cutting taxes invariably improves an
economy even when the government is being required to spend more. It was
claimed either there was too much taxation or just the right amount. The
possibility of not enough was never considered.
Binary choice systems only work if there are only two possible answers. If
you are asking the equivalent of what color a yellow flower is while
limiting the choices to black or white, you get wrong answers and
approximations that really do not make sense.
Pallin' 'round with BB
"But my friends, you ask those questions and all you get is another
angry barrage of insults." http://tinyurl.com/4gunrh
George Kerby
On 10/15/08 8:20 PM, in article
3f12111b-5ff4-4b46...@g61g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "John H.
Fisher" <TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote:
Hey, Einstein Accountant: NEWSFLASH: We are talking about NOW, not years
ago!
What a douche-bag...
George Kerby
On 10/15/08 8:24 PM, in article
8c8f713f-4fa2-49c3...@c60g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "John H.
Fisher" <TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote:
You "send" key stuck again, TaxMan?
What a douche-bag...
D.F. Manno
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
> > Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> >> Art Clemons wrote:
> >> > Mike Smith wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> For the normal folks, the ACORN socialistic scum want to flood the
> >> >> election officials with tons of "new:" applicants, expecting hundreds,
> >> >> maybe thousands of their fraudulent registrations to be allowed,
> >> >> giving the ACORN members multiple chances for multiple votes. They
> >> >> have no moral code, so screwing the citizens of the USA is no problem
> >> >> for them. And the nearest flea market could furnish you with whatever
> >> >> ID you wanted, for cheap!
> >> >
> >> >One more time, where is the evidence that people are getting to vote with
> >> >phony ID? I suspect you can't provide any, there is little verified voter
> >> >fraud and the easiest way to have fraudulent votes is to have lots of
> >> >absentee votes. Not only can the dead vote, so can the non-existent.
> >>
> >> www.google.com
> >>
> >> If you cannot find the information, come back and ask me politely, and
> >> I'll hand-feed you the links.
> >
> >It's your claim, the burden of proof is on you.
>
> Are you asking me to furnish the information for you, because you
> cannot find it?
Are you asking me to furnish the information, because you're too lazy or
stupid to find it yourself?
It's your argument, why should I spend time and effort trying to make it
for you?
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>> You are the imbecile that injected base 2 & base 3 into a simple math
>> question. You have clearly demonstrated your lack of any basic
> >critical thought skills.
>
> base 4 actually doesn't work either. You didn't specify a base and your
> insulting tone meant you were making unwarranted assumptions.
>
>> No right answer, no wrong answer... liberal & socialist leaders need
>> lots of people like you, if they ever hope to gain the power they want
>> over normal folks & your kind of folks.
>
>Let's see, the right wing insisted that less regulation would improve the
>US.
Correct
>Further, we were told that cutting taxes invariably improves an
>economy even when the government is being required to spend more.
Correct. If more is described as a small amount.
>It was
>claimed either there was too much taxation or just the right amount. The
>possibility of not enough was never considered.
There was no need to consider more taxes.
>
> Binary choice systems only work if there are only two possible answers. If
>you are asking the equivalent of what color a yellow flower is while
>limiting the choices to black or white, you get wrong answers and
>approximations that really do not make sense.
Except that black/white choice was never offered. The only choice
offered was the obvious one. And the correct answer was 2+2 = 4, all
ten times. You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept.
You didn't "get it".
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
So are you asking me to furnish you information you cannot find on
your own? Are you wanting me to hand-feed you the information you seem
to want to see?
Is that what I'm reading?
I can do that, if you want me to.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
wrote:
>In article <57ref4tetm0mbj4h8...@4ax.com>,
Nope.
>
>It's your argument, why should I spend time and effort trying to make it
>for you?
Because you are incapable of making it? Of Course.
So you really suck at research. I believe you. So I will help you get
the info you seem to want. Here it is {holding out my hand, filled
with the links you could not find}:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081015122509AAZZiAb
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/16/voter-id-laws-bring-integrity-to-system/
{Knowing you're not very good at this, read the third to LAST
paragraph}
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
Now I know this would have been impossible for you to find, based on
your defective liberal brain, so I do feel a little guilty at
bitch-smacking you with the info...
Awww who am I kidding... I live for this stuff!
Mike Smith
Art Clemons
> So are you asking me to furnish you information you cannot find on
> your own? Are you wanting me to hand-feed you the information you seem
> to want to see?
>
No, I'm telling you that your unsubstantiated and unbacked claims aren't
going to justify telling me to research for proof of your claims. If you
cannot back them, then go hide somewhere!
Art Clemons
> Except that black/white choice was never offered. The only choice
> offered was the obvious one. And the correct answer was 2+2 = 4, all
> ten times. You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept.
>
Yes you did, you offered a binary choice when the options were infinite.
Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4. Thus there are
more than two options, sorry but your logic skills are apparently lacking.
You're trying to prove your statement when it's already been rebutted. If
you mean base 10 or base 12, state so!
Pallin' 'round with BB
{
do
{put "You're stupid."}
while (clueless)
}
Pallin' 'round with BB
Pallin' 'round with BB
A_gent Smif <m...@wt.net> said:
{
do
{put "You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept."}
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>> Except that black/white choice was never offered. The only choice
>> offered was the obvious one. And the correct answer was 2+2 = 4, all
>> ten times. You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept.
>>
>
>Yes you did, you offered a binary choice when the options were infinite.
>Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4.
No I didn't. Why are you lying?
Is it because you've been proven to be stupid?
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
I know you couldn't find a damn thing on the net. Did you find where I
posted the proof you could not find?
Mike Smith
John H. Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is NO DOUBT that every effort by the Republican Party, to
suppress the vote of the poor, and oppressed, can be documented. The
propaganda, and LIES, used to distort the activity of ACORN may work
on some. Anyone who has the ability to research the situation can come
to no other conclusion than that suppression, and denial of
constitutional rights is the goal of degenerate Republican
politicians!!!
"What documentation do you have regarding discovery of ACORN
"fraud""????
Do a search on voter fraud engaged in by Republicans!! Start with Ann
Coulter!!!
Mike Smith
<TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote:
Yes, folks, liberals ARE this delusional and stupid.
The fools cannot comprehend the amount of fraud and deceit that
permeates ACORN. They simply do not have the intelligence to analyze
what ACORN is doing and how they are doing it.
It's not their fault their parents combined 2 defective strands of
chromosomes.
Mike Smith
Art Clemons
>>> Except that black/white choice was never offered. The only choice
>>> offered was the obvious one. And the correct answer was 2+2 = 4, all
>>> ten times. You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept.
>>>
>>
>>Yes you did, you offered a binary choice when the options were infinite.
>>Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4.
>
>
> No I didn't. Why are you lying?
The problem for you is that I did NOT lie. I stated bluntly using base 3 or
4, the answer would not be 4, and that answer remains correct. You didn't
like it and began ranting. That's your problem to deal with.
> Is it because you've been proven to be stupid?
If I were proven stupid, it would still leave incredibly more intelligent
than you.
Art Clemons
> I know you couldn't find a damn thing on the net. Did you find where I
> posted the proof you could not find?
You didn't provide proof as far as I can tell, you posted opinion pieces
with no links to actual data.
John H. Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
YOU, constantly MOUTH OFF, without ever having anything to support
your claims!!! Apparently, it is YOU, using ad hominem, sick humor, &
LIES, who doesn't have the intelligence to analyze diddly. One cannot
use comprehensive abilities, if one doesn't know what one is talking
about!!! Get an education, Mike, and stop playing with yourself!!!
In any case, THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!=:) It is your ilk which helps
in moving people to lend overwhelming support for that great Irishman,
humanitarian, Barry O'bama!!!=:) Keep up the good work, mole!!!=:)
He's, truly, on your side!!! Stop trying to bite the hand which is
your best bet for being fed in the future!!! Impoverishment of the
masses, if you are part of that mass, is quickly moving on up the
ladder!!! Don't gamble with your future, Mike, VOTE STRAIGHT
DEMOCRAT!!! YOU'LL BE HAPPY YOU DID!!-:)
D.F. Manno
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
> > Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> >> D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
> >> > Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> >> >> Art Clemons wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >One more time, where is the evidence that people are
> >> >> >getting to vote with phony ID? I suspect you can't
> >> >> >provide any, there is little verified voter fraud and
> >> >> >the easiest way to have fraudulent votes is to have lots
> >> >> >of absentee votes. Not only can the dead vote, so can
> >> >> >the non-existent.
> >> >>
> >> >> www.google.com
> >> >>
> >> >> If you cannot find the information, come back and ask me
> >> >> politely, and I'll hand-feed you the links.
> >> >
> >> >It's your claim, the burden of proof is on you.
> >>
> >> Are you asking me to furnish the information for you,
> >> because you cannot find it?
> >
> >Are you asking me to furnish the information, because you're
> >too lazy or stupid to find it yourself?
>
> Nope.
>
> >It's your argument, why should I spend time and effort trying
> >to make it for you?
>
> Because you are incapable of making it? Of Course.
Not. I have no interest in making your argument for you because I don't
agree with your claim.
> So you really suck at research. I believe you. So I will help
> you get the info you seem to want. Here it is {holding out my
> hand, filled with the links you could not find}:
>
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081015122509AAZZiAb
Just a bunch of yahoos posting uninformed opinion.
> http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/16/voter-id-laws-bring-integrit y-to-system/ {Knowing you're not very good at
> this, read the third to LAST paragraph}
Another opinion piece.
But even if his numbers are reliable, 1,678 illegal votes out of 2.8
million cast is six one-hundredth of a percent. Miniscule.
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
An editorial from the Wall Street Journal, known to be highly partisan
towards Republicans and wingnuts.
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/14/advocacy-group-may-have-registered-phony-voters-how-much-does-it-matter/
I call your attention to the last line of that post: "... it's highly
unlikely that, even if every one of the alleged fake "voters" managed to
cast a ballot, it would affect the outcome."
You've undercut your own argument. I can see that your feeble wingnut
mind is incapable of doing research.
Mike Smith
<TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote:
Do I need to hand-feed you the news reports about the fraudulent ACORN
voter registrations?
>Apparently, it is YOU, using ad hominem, sick humor, &
>LIES, who doesn't have the intelligence to analyze diddly. One cannot
>use comprehensive abilities, if one doesn't know what one is talking
>about!!! Get an education, Mike, and stop playing with yourself!!!
>
Yes, folks, these liberal morons are incredibly ignorant of the ACORN
fraudulent voter registrations and how the ACORN anti-American scum
get those intentionally fraudulent forms.
It's not John's fault. His brain is not wired up correctly. Otherwise
he could easily see the fraud being committed by ACORN on our voter's
registration process.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
wrote:
>In article <rfgff4dkrvd3187jt...@4ax.com>,
Get someone that is fluent in liberal-speak to explain to you what a
"fact" is. You obviously have no clue.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
There is actual data in each one of the links I posted. Find someone
that knows what a fact is to explain it to you.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>>>> Except that black/white choice was never offered. The only choice
>>>> offered was the obvious one. And the correct answer was 2+2 = 4, all
>>>> ten times. You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes you did, you offered a binary choice when the options were infinite.
>>>Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4.
>>
>>
>> No I didn't. Why are you lying?
>
>The problem for you is that I did NOT lie. I stated bluntly using base 3 or
>4, the answer would not be 4, and that answer remains correct. You didn't
>like it and began ranting. That's your problem to deal with.
Completely missed the lie you posted, didn't you. {even I admit???}
It's OK, you are a liberal. Rarely does a liberal know what a lie is.
>
>> Is it because you've been proven to be stupid?
>
>If I were proven stupid, it would still leave incredibly more intelligent
>than you.
And you have some rather active fantasies about math and me.
Mike Smith
Pallin' 'round with BB
John H. Fisher
There you go, again, Mike, proving the point so many of us make, over
'n' over again, regarding your ineptitude.
Getting back to the topic,
The Facts:
- ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks
of life apply for voter
registration.
- In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter
registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
- It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding
voter registration cards.
- Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even
RNC General Counsel
Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single
improper vote cast as a
result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter
registration effort.
- ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any
endeavor of this size,
some people will engaged in inappropriate conduct. ACORN has a zero
tolerance policy and
terminated any field workers caught engaging in questionable activity.
At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register
voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded.
As for fraud, let's consider REAL FRAUD as Obama Demands Special
Prosecutor Investigate GOP Voter Fraud Activities, 17 Oct 2008.
Charging that the FBI probe of ACORN represents an "unholy alliance"
between Republican operatives and potentially illegal conduct by law
enforcement targeting voter fraud, the Obama campaign demanded Friday
that the U.S. special prosecutor looking into the U.S. attorneys
scandal investigate the matter. General counsel Bob Bauer sent a
letter to Atty. Gen. Michael Mukasey charging that coordinated
"misconduct" by McCain campaign representatives and GOP officials were
relevant to the special prosecutor’s work, because the activities may
relate to the dismissal of seven U.S. attorneys in late 2006.
D.F. Manno
Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> Get someone that is fluent in liberal-speak to explain to you what a
> "fact" is. You obviously have no clue.
In other words, you've got nothing. That's par for the wingnut course.
Thanks for playing, now run along like a good little moron.
John H. Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh, My Goodness!!!-:) Obviously, those who adhere to the words of
witch doctors (Palin, for instance) are satisfied that the
commandments were made to be broken. They enjoy breaking them, one by
one, and then all over again. Repeatedly LYING, BEARING FALSE
WITNESS, MURDERING PEOPLE IN ILLEGAL WARS, cursing like he-ll, going
to bed with strange men 'n' women (even though they're married),
stealing the property of others (Republican Oil Barons 'n their
accomplices), etc. etc. When they're exposed, actors that they are,
the tears flow 'til the time they c'n start over with the habits
they've learned to enjoy!!! That's the math used to lead the masses
on the road to he-ll without providing them with a map showing the way
back!!! What manner of men are these??? -=REPUBLICANS!!!
Mike Smith
Liar. Prove it.
>
>- In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter
>registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
This is a great example of your ignorance. It has no meaning when
there is an organized effort to create as many fraudulent
registrations as possible.
>
>- It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding
>voter registration cards.
Liar. Prove it.
>
>- Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even
>RNC General Counsel
>Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single
>improper vote cast as a
>result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter
>registration effort.
This is where your lack of any known logic is extremely evident. If
you could add 2+2 and come up with 4 on a consistent basis, you would
know the ONLY reason for turning in hundreds of thousands of
fraudulent registrations is so fraudulent people could vote multiple
times. Overload the system, in hopes of getting hundreds of fictitious
voters registered. There is simply no other explanation that makes any
sense.
<sniped the rest of this imbecile's babble>
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
<TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Oct 17, 8:45?pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:47:25 -0400, Art Clemons
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <artclem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>> >Mike Smith wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Except that black/white choice was never offered. The only choice
>> >>>> offered was the obvious one. And the correct answer was 2+2 = 4, all
>> >>>> ten times. You, being a liberal, cannot understand that basic concept.
>>
>> >>>Yes you did, you offered a binary choice when the options were infinite.
>> >>>Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4.
>>
>> >> No I didn't. Why are you lying?
>>
>> >The problem for you is that I did NOT lie. ?I stated bluntly using base 3 or
>> >4, the answer would not be 4, and that answer remains correct. ?You didn't
>> >like it and began ranting. ?That's your problem to deal with.
>>
>> Completely missed the lie you posted, didn't you. {even I admit???}
>> It's OK, you are a liberal. Rarely does a liberal know what a lie is.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Is it because you've been proven to be stupid?
>>
>> >If I were proven stupid, it would still leave incredibly more intelligent
>> >than you.
>>
>> And you have some rather active fantasies about math and me.
>>
>> Mike Smith- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Oh, My Goodness!!!-:) Obviously, those who adhere to the words of
>witch doctors (Palin, for instance) are satisfied that the
>commandments were made to be broken. They enjoy breaking them, one by
>one, and then all over again. Repeatedly LYING, BEARING FALSE
>WITNESS, MURDERING PEOPLE IN ILLEGAL WARS, cursing like he-ll, going
>to bed with strange men 'n' women (even though they're married),
>stealing the property of others (Republican Oil Barons 'n their
>accomplices), etc. etc. When they're exposed, actors that they are,
>the tears flow 'til the time they c'n start over with the habits
>they've learned to enjoy!!! That's the math used to lead the masses
>on the road to he-ll without providing them with a map showing the way
>back!!! What manner of men are these??? -=REPUBLICANS!!!
Thanks for posting proof that you are a babbling fool. Couldn't
address anything in my post, could you...
Liberals are stupid creatures.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
wrote:
>In article <l4cif4d3a9n6tgbcm...@4ax.com>,
> Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
>> Get someone that is fluent in liberal-speak to explain to you what a
>> "fact" is. You obviously have no clue.
>
>In other words, you've got nothing. That's par for the wingnut course.
>
>Thanks for playing, now run along like a good little moron.
Yep, those 4 links you intentionally snipped were nothing...
Keep feeding your fantasies, idiot.
Your ignorance is not my problem, but I do enjoy denigrating your
ignorance.
Mike Smith
Pallin' 'round with BB
John H. Fisher
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:50:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Fisher"
>
>
>
>
>
In spite of your misgivings, ACORN is governed by LAW!!! It is a law
abiding organization. Can you prove otherwise??? Obviously, you
don't understand English and can't relate to FACTS!!!
The Facts:
- ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks
of life apply for voter
registration.
- In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter
registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
- It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding
voter registration cards.
- Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even
RNC General CounselSean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not
aware of a single improper vote cast as aresult of bad cards submitted
in the course of an organized voter registration effort.
- ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any
endeavor of this size, some people will engaged in inappropriate
conduct. ACORN has a zero tolerance policy and terminated any field
workers caught engaging in questionable activity.
At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register
voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded.
As for fraud, let's consider REAL FRAUD as Obama Demands Special
Prosecutor Investigate GOP Voter Fraud Activities, 17 Oct 2008.
Charging that the FBI probe of ACORN represents an "unholy alliance"
between Republican operatives and potentially illegal conduct by law
enforcement targeting voter fraud, the Obama campaign demanded Friday
that the U.S. special prosecutor looking into the U.S. attorneys
scandal investigate the matter. General counsel Bob Bauer sent a
letter to Atty. Gen. Michael Mukasey charging that coordinated
"misconduct" by McCain campaign representatives and GOP officials were
relevant to the special prosecutor’s work, because the activities may
relate to the dismissal of seven U.S. attorneys in late 2006.
It will be SO REFRESHING, Mike, when Obama becomes our new Commander
in Chief, Johnny Comes Marchin' Home Again, and we are no longer
besieged as much by the LIARS, and THIEVES, OF THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY!!!!
HOPEFULLY, SOON, WE'LL BE CELEBRATING HAPPY DAYS AGAIN!!!=:) You,
too, Mike, can join the celebration!!! We won't turn you away as
Republicans are inclined to do to others. WE are an all inclusive
party, holding no prejudice, seeking to enhance your life as well as
that of EVERY CITIZEN!!!-:)
THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT, MIKE!!!-:)
Mike Smith
<snipped the rest of John's mindless babble>
I did prove otherwise. You did not comprehend what I posted.
But that's OK. You are a liberal and are not expected to understand
real facts.
Mike Smith
John H. Fisher
ROFLMAO!!!-:) Thanks for your support, Michael!!!-:)
Art Clemons
>>The problem for you is that I did NOT lie. I stated bluntly using base 3
>>or 4, the answer would not be 4, and that answer remains correct. You
>>didn't like it and began ranting. That's your problem to deal with.
>
> Completely missed the lie you posted, didn't you. {even I admit???}
> It's OK, you are a liberal. Rarely does a liberal know what a lie is.
What lie are you referring to? I know what a lie is, all I have to do is
watch conservative politicians making claims.
>>
>>> Is it because you've been proven to be stupid?
>>
>>If I were proven stupid, it would still leave incredibly more intelligent
>>than you.
>
> And you have some rather active fantasies about math and me.
I have few fantasies, I don't recall indicating any interest in you, whether
of the positive fantasy, or the nightmare variety. I merely pointed out
that so far, I have seen no indication of intelligent life in your posts.
In fact, aside from delusional thinking, there's no hope for intelligence.
Art Clemons
> There is actual data in each one of the links I posted. Find someone
> that knows what a fact is to explain it to you.
No, there was not real data. It was not reporting but rather
unsubstantiated claims. Facts count!
Pallin' 'round with BB
I'm wondering why we even bother with A_gent Smif.
He really has nothing to recommend him.
pitchforks&torches
"Pallin' 'round with BB (who almost would freeze and sell being ignored by KD the
Merciless!)" <iqbl...@qimail.com> wrote in message
news:2008101820374216807-iqblackie@qimailcom...
'Ceptin the sound he makes when he's whacked with a cluestick.
It's like a living tribute to Chuck Jones.
An speakin' of voter fraud ( that IS what we were talkin' about, right? )
I wonder how Anne Coulter's voter registration fraud case is shapin' up?
Pallin' 'round with BB
<shrubim...@thehague.com> said:
> It's like a living tribute to Chuck Jones.
I knew there was a reason why I appreciated your postings!
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>>>The problem for you is that I did NOT lie. I stated bluntly using base 3
>>>or 4, the answer would not be 4, and that answer remains correct. You
>>>didn't like it and began ranting. That's your problem to deal with.
>>
>> Completely missed the lie you posted, didn't you. {even I admit???}
>> It's OK, you are a liberal. Rarely does a liberal know what a lie is.
>
>What lie are you referring to? I know what a lie is, all I have to do is
>watch conservative politicians making claims.
You intentionally snipped it, ya moron.
Here it is , again:
"Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4."
I never admitted that. You lied about me admitting that.
Why did you lie?
>
>>>
>>>> Is it because you've been proven to be stupid?
>>>
>>>If I were proven stupid, it would still leave incredibly more intelligent
>>>than you.
>>
>> And you have some rather active fantasies about math and me.
>
>I have few fantasies, I don't recall indicating any interest in you, whether
>of the positive fantasy, or the nightmare variety.
Again you seem very confused about what has been posted. You
fantasized about me a when you stated "If I were proven stupid, it
would still leave incredibly --->more intelligent than you.<---
> I merely pointed out
>that so far, I have seen no indication of intelligent life in your posts.
>In fact, aside from delusional thinking, there's no hope for intelligence.
I understand your ignorance, but it's not my problem.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
Here's your facts from my links:
So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from
Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of
voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting
false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election
board.
Investigators are looking into at least 2,100 possible bogus voter
applications in Indiana alone
allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the
country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado,
and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and
Pennsylvania.
After the federal indictments were handed up in Kansas City this week,
the U.S. Attorney's office said in a statement that "This national
investigation is very much ongoing."
During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004
election, officials from several counties in the state explained
Acorn's practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their
lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been
collected months earlier.
"You have to wonder what's the point of that, if not to overwhelm the
system and get phony registrations on the voter rolls," says Thor
Hearne of the American Center for Voting Rights, who also testified at
the hearing. "These were Democratic officials saying that they felt
their election system in Ohio was under assault by these kinds of
efforts to game the system."
A Florida state attorney is
investigating thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registrations
associated with the leading organizer of Florida's Amendment 5 ballot
initiative. But this is just the tip of an iceberg of illegalities,
fraud and contradictions connected to the Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). In recent days, ACORN has been
at the epicenter of reports on thousands of potentially fraudulent
voter registrations across the nation -- including many by ex-felons
-- submitted by ACORN employees in the presidential swing states of
Ohio, Colorado, Missouri Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Minnesota.
Former ACORN Miami-Dade field director Mac Stuart has declared an
intent to sue ACORN and has made charges of rampant voter fraud
operations. Stuart was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to
generate 103,000 new voter registrations from Dade County. He reports
that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for
Democratic ones. Stuart also charges that ACORN targeted ex-cons and
that he personally set up registration tables outside the Miami police
department and Dade County jail. He went on to state, "The voter
registration project has been operating illegally since it started."
So I'm wondering just how many facts this liberal imbecile needs? How
much "real data" is enough data for this bird brain?
Mike Smith
Pallin' 'round with BB
So then what happened? In the Kansas City case, the story was from
2006, have the defendants been tried yet? What was the outcome? What
significant damage was done to the electoral process, A_gent Smif?
Pallin' 'round with BB
It sounds like ADD is another one of your undocumented features, A_gent
Smif. Here you are in pursuit of the wild fowl and there is important
work spreading GOP manure still to be done. focus, concentrate, and
don't forget your meds, DUDE!
Art Clemons
>>What lie are you referring to? I know what a lie is, all I have to do is
>>watch conservative politicians making claims.
>
> You intentionally snipped it, ya moron.
>
> Here it is , again:
> "Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4."
No, fool, I snipped excess verbiage and only included enough to indicate
what I was responding to. Perhaps your usenet skills are as lacking as
your social skills, but note the following statement by you on 16 October
2008:
"You are the imbecile that injected base 2 & base 3 into a simple math
question. You have clearly demonstrated your lack of any basic
critical thought skills.
No right answer, no wrong answer... liberal & socialist leaders need
lots of people like you, if they ever hope to gain the power they want
over normal folks & your kind of folks."
You implicitly conceded that base 2 and 3 would not produce an answer of "4"
when adding 2 and 2. Guess you need to consider what you're writing when
you're throwing around personal insults. Once again, you demonstrate a
lack of adaptability and thinking skills. Further, your short-term memory
apparently has problems too.
Art Clemons
Knowing more about what investigation means than you do (I have to, but
that's another issue entirely), you've cited an indictment of workers for
ACORN who turned in bogus registrations, rather than an indication that
ACORN the entity was involved.
I suppose you think there is no difference, but consider the implications if
for example a low level clerk steals 50 cents from a passerby, do we then
impute the theft to the US government because the clerk worked for the US
government?
You're trying to tar ACORN with nonsense and note your claim that ACORN
performed the actions, yet your sources indicate otherwise.
Pallin' 'round with BB
that makes A_gent Smif and his other brother Trace/Tracey/Tracey12 so,
ah, um, "special."
I think I may have a clue, it came to me listening to a "Speaking of
Faith" episode on Autism: http://tinyurl.com/64v29y
What they have in common (besides, probably, glossolalia) is delayed
echolalia which is defined as "...the "echoing of a phrase after some
delay or lapse of time". Persons with autism who repeat TV commercials,
favorite movie scripts, or parental reprimands are examples used in
describing this phenomenon. It may or may not be communicative.
"This condition appears to tap into long-term auditory memory, and for
this reason, may be a different phenomenon from immediate echolalia. As
it can involve the recitation of entire scripts, delayed echolalia is
often mistaken as evidence for higher-than-average intellect."
So, working backward, don't mistake either of them for evidence of
higher-than-average intellect, just consider that - beyond their
ability to control it - all they can do is repeat what they've heard.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/6dybh5
Pallin' 'round with BB
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>>>What lie are you referring to? I know what a lie is, all I have to do is
>>>watch conservative politicians making claims.
>>
>> You intentionally snipped it, ya moron.
>>
>> Here it is , again:
>> "Even you admit that up until base 4, the answer isn't 4."
>
>No, fool, I snipped excess verbiage and only included enough to indicate
>what I was responding to. Perhaps your usenet skills are as lacking as
>your social skills, but note the following statement by you on 16 October
>2008:
>
>"You are the imbecile that injected base 2 & base 3 into a simple math
>question. You have clearly demonstrated your lack of any basic
>critical thought skills.
>
>No right answer, no wrong answer... liberal & socialist leaders need
>lots of people like you, if they ever hope to gain the power they want
>over normal folks & your kind of folks."
>
>You implicitly conceded that base 2 and 3 would not produce an answer of "4"
>when adding 2 and 2.
No, I didn't concede anything. I was ridiculing your dumbassed
response.
>Guess you need to consider what you're writing when
>you're throwing around personal insults. Once again, you demonstrate a
>lack of adaptability and thinking skills. Further, your short-term memory
>apparently has problems too.
See what I mean, folks... He's dumber than a box of rocks... He
couldn't find a clue if it hit him upside his poor ignorant head.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
Only in your fantasies could you even remotely "think" that you know
more about investigations than I do, based on your completely asinine
conclusions about ACORN's actions.
>
>I suppose you think there is no difference, but consider the implications if
>for example a low level clerk steals 50 cents from a passerby, do we then
>impute the theft to the US government because the clerk worked for the US
>government?
Could you at least try to come up with some sort of an example that is
even remotely associated with the ACORN voter fraud?
Of course you cannot.
>
>You're trying to tar ACORN with nonsense and note your claim that ACORN
>performed the actions, yet your sources indicate otherwise.
ACORN did, in fact, perform the actions cited in my examples.
Mike Smith
John H. Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your thought processes are just too greatly influenced by fiction!!!
Now that the government is failing, and multitudes of people are
losing their jobs!!! Now that so many are losing their nesteggs,
wealth, and self respect, people are coming to realize that, as a
result of REPUBLICAN FICTIONS, they've been screwed!! Having bought
those fictions, time 'n' time again, they must now face the reality
that their last BEST HOPE is OBAMA & THE DEMOCRATS!!!!
So sad they didn't wake up before so much damage had been done to this
once greater nation.
People just aren't buying fiction anymore, Michael!!! It's turned
out to be too expensive!!!
Mike Smith
<TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> initiative. ?But this is just the tip of an iceberg of illegalities,
>> >> fraud and contradictions connected to the Association of Community
>> >> Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). ?In recent days, ACORN has been
>> >> at the epicenter of reports on thousands of potentially fraudulent
>> >> voter registrations across the nation -- including many by ex-felons
>> >> -- submitted by ACORN employees in the presidential swing states of
>> >> Ohio, Colorado, Missouri Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Minnesota.
>>
>> >> Former ACORN Miami-Dade field director Mac Stuart has declared an
>> >> intent to sue ACORN and has made charges of rampant voter fraud
>> >> operations. ?Stuart was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to
>> >> generate 103,000 new voter registrations from Dade County. ?He reports
>> >> that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for
>> >> Democratic ones. ?Stuart also charges that ACORN targeted ex-cons and
>> >> that he personally set up registration tables outside the Miami police
>> >> department and Dade County jail. ?He went on to state, "The voter
>> >> registration project has been operating illegally since it started."
>>
>> >> So I'm wondering just how many facts this liberal imbecile needs? How
>> >> much "real data" is enough data for this bird brain?
>>
>> >Knowing more about what investigation means than you do (I have to, but
>> >that's another issue entirely), you've cited an indictment of workers for
>> >ACORN who turned in bogus registrations, rather than an indication that
>> >ACORN the entity was involved. ?
>>
>> Only in your fantasies could you even remotely "think" that you know
>> more about investigations than I do, based on your completely asinine
>> conclusions about ACORN's actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> >I suppose you think there is no difference, but consider the implications if
>> >for example a low level clerk steals 50 cents from a passerby, do we then
>> >impute the theft to the US government because the clerk worked for the US
>> >government? ?
>>
>> Could you at least try to come up with some sort of an example that is
>> even remotely associated with the ACORN voter fraud?
>>
>> Of course you cannot.
>>
>>
>>
>> >You're trying to tar ACORN with nonsense and note your claim that ACORN
>> >performed the actions, yet your sources indicate otherwise. ?
>>
>> ACORN did, in fact, perform the actions cited in my examples.
>>
>> Mike Smith- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Your thought processes are just too greatly influenced by fiction!!!
Accuse me of what you take for granted... OK I understand...
>Now that the government is failing, and multitudes of people are
>losing their jobs!!!
Multitudes? fictionalizing the problem again, I see...
>Now that so many are losing their nesteggs,
>wealth, and self respect, people are coming to realize that, as a
>result of REPUBLICAN FICTIONS, they've been screwed!!
Yep, those nasty republicans influenced banks and mortgage companies
to give loans to people too poor to pay for those loans... Oh wait...
It wasn't republicans, it was those dumbassed democrats and their
"everyone must be equal" nonsense.
>Having bought
>those fictions, time 'n' time again, they must now face the reality
>that their last BEST HOPE is OBAMA & THE DEMOCRATS!!!!
Yeas, except for reality, you might have been right...
Free clue: It all cratered when Democrats took over our Congress and
they chose known socialists to run Congress.
Mike Smith
Art Clemons
>>No right answer, no wrong answer... liberal & socialist leaders need
>>lots of people like you, if they ever hope to gain the power they want
>>over normal folks & your kind of folks."
>>
>>You implicitly conceded that base 2 and 3 would not produce an answer of
>>"4" when adding 2 and 2.
Quick question, if you add 2 +2 in base 3, what answer do you get? For that
matter if you 2+2 in base 4 what answer do you get? If you cannot get 4,
you've proved your lack of logical thinking, if you can, you've
demonstrated how little intelligence you have.
> No, I didn't concede anything. I was ridiculing your dumbassed
> response.
You either conceded the answer was not "4" or you proved you are an idiot.
Wait, I forgot, my bad...................
>>Guess you need to consider what you're writing when
>>you're throwing around personal insults. Once again, you demonstrate a
>>lack of adaptability and thinking skills. Further, your short-term memory
>>apparently has problems too.
>
>
> See what I mean, folks... He's dumber than a box of rocks... He
> couldn't find a clue if it hit him upside his poor ignorant head.
I don't need a clue around you, all I really need is you typing.
Art Clemons
> Only in your fantasies could you even remotely "think" that you know
> more about investigations than I do, based on your completely asinine
> conclusions about ACORN's actions.
I stated I knew more about the implications involved in an investigation
than you do, it's true, but sadly you missed what I said.
>>
>>I suppose you think there is no difference, but consider the implications
>>if for example a low level clerk steals 50 cents from a passerby, do we
>>then impute the theft to the US government because the clerk worked for
>>the US government?
>
> Could you at least try to come up with some sort of an example that is
> even remotely associated with the ACORN voter fraud?
>
> Of course you cannot.
I gave you an analogy of what you are doing. It's not my fault you miss the
point.
Incidentally, using your logic, the republican party of California is
responsible for voter fraud too because one individual was arrested for
vote fraud, right?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
Note, I wouldn't claim that but using your approach to logic, it is!
>>
>>You're trying to tar ACORN with nonsense and note your claim that ACORN
>>performed the actions, yet your sources indicate otherwise.
>
> ACORN did, in fact, perform the actions cited in my examples.
No, ACORN did not workers hired by ACORN are so accused. There is a
difference.
Pallin' 'round with BB
A_gent Smif doesn't know, understand or care about shades of grey. His
world is Black and White and White = good, Black = bad.
--
http://tinyurl.com/6s6ldb
http://tinyurl.com/5zwctl
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
<snipped the mindless babble from this fool>
Fuck off, moron.
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
<artcl...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>> Only in your fantasies could you even remotely "think" that you know
>> more about investigations than I do, based on your completely asinine
>> conclusions about ACORN's actions.
>
>I stated I knew more about the implications involved in an investigation
>than you do, it's true, but sadly you missed what I said.
Based on your posts, no you don't.
>
>>>
>>>I suppose you think there is no difference, but consider the implications
>>>if for example a low level clerk steals 50 cents from a passerby, do we
>>>then impute the theft to the US government because the clerk worked for
>>>the US government?
>>
>> Could you at least try to come up with some sort of an example that is
>> even remotely associated with the ACORN voter fraud?
>>
>> Of course you cannot.
>
>I gave you an analogy of what you are doing. It's not my fault you miss the
>point.
I got the point., It was not relevant to the ACCORN deceptions.
>
>Incidentally, using your logic, the republican party of California is
>responsible for voter fraud too because one individual was arrested for
>vote fraud, right?
>
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
>
>Note, I wouldn't claim that but using your approach to logic, it is!
ONE? As opposed to hundreds of thousands? Yea... your analytical
skills are well... inconsequential.
>
>>>
>>>You're trying to tar ACORN with nonsense and note your claim that ACORN
>>>performed the actions, yet your sources indicate otherwise.
>>
>> ACORN did, in fact, perform the actions cited in my examples.
>
>No, ACORN did not workers hired by ACORN are so accused. There is a
>difference.
Read the links.
ACORN commanded their employees to lie and distort and deceive.
Mike Smith
Art Clemons
> Fuck off, moron.
Well I guess this idiot has conceded.