Cornell Debacle
NadiaKim
copy of the New York Times article reporting just how Cornell is
over-reacting to the humorous post by four students. This post was,
perhaps, crass, vulgar, rude, obscene, sexist (you be your own judge, I
have included a copy of it), but so what! What we have here are a few
Cornell officiates coerced by a few feminist ambulance chasing atrocity
addicts who loose their sanity at the drop of a bra.
I have tried to e-mail Cornell's "gang of four", but that their
accounts were inactive (de-activated?). So I e-mailed the postmaster at
Cornell, and inquired about communicating virtually with the four. I have
just received this response, and it is more horrifying (in my view)
than anything I have read about this pathetic business to date. I append
the postmaster's unbelievable "response" to my query, and I append the
query below that. The response strikes me as hubris of the first order;
the sort which preceeds and heralds a very large fall. The right move for
any self-respecting woman at Cornell would, of course, be to draw up an
even more impressive list of reasons why males should be kept on leashes.
I then sent the following missive to Cornell:
>Dear Cornell Postmaster:
>You provided the following answer to an inquirer trying to establish e-mail
>contact with the authors of the "offensive commuinication" mentioned.
>For your interest, I am adding Cornell to my lengthening list of
>institutions once claiming to be universities which have evidently ceased
>to be such.
My suggestion is that you write letters expressing your disappointment
with Cornell's oppresive action toward these students. The following list
consists of the e-mail addresses of the individuals involved to some
extant with this debacle.
bl...@cornell.edu Barbara Krause (this is the individual
prosecuting the case)
hd...@cornell.edu This is the vice president of information
technology, David Lambert
jk...@cornell.edu Jacquie Powers,
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:55:01 -0500 (EST)
>From: Cornell Postmaster <post...@cornell.edu>
>To:Loat...@usaor.net
>Subject: Re: Problems delivering your mail
>
>Thank you for bringing to our attention the recent offensive communication
>entitled "75 reasons why women should not have freedom of speech," authored
>by four Cornell students. We very much regret that this incident has
>occurred. We have received numerous complaints on this issue and have
>referred the matter to our Judicial Administrator. I will forward your
>concern to her so that your complaint is part of the official record. We
>are not at liberty to disclose the details of the Judicial Administrator's
>investigation and determination. The students involved have written a
>public apology to all concerned, and that apology has been published in our
>student newspaper, the Cornell Daily Sun. Once again, I thank you for
>bringing this to our attention.
>
>
>Lisa D. Fogelman
>Cornell Information Technologies
>Postmaster
>
>On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, Louis Marinoff wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:12:32 -0500 (EST)
>> From:Loat...@usaor.net
>> To: postm...@cornell.edu
>> Subject: Re: Problems delivering your mail
>>
>> I attempted to send a message to four addresses at your site,
>> and received the following response from your MAILER-DAEMON.
>>
>> The four addresses in question were advertised on the internet by their
>> putative owners, and I assumed them to be valid. However, the four students
>> in question have landed themselves in a political controversy, and I
>> wonder whether the administration at Cornell has suspended or closed their
>> e-mail accounts. I would appreciate any information you can provide.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>Nadia Kim
Cornell charges 4 students for sexist e-mail prank
The New York Times
ITHACA, N.Y.‹A computer Email message listing "75 reasons why
women should not have freedom of speech," which was sent as a plank by
four freshmen at Cornell University to so friends, has ricocheted through
the Internet, pro voking thousands of angry messages to Cornell from
campuses around the country.
Cornell has charged the four‹ Evan Camps of Bethesda, Md., Rihls
Linschoten of Newport Beach, Calif., Pat Sicher of San Juan, Puerto Rico,
and Brian Waldman of Massapequa‹with sexual harassment and misuse of
computer resourees, said university judicial administrator Barbara Krause.
She said the charges stemmed from lines like, "If she can't speak, she
can't cry rape," and, "Of course, if she can't speak she can't say no."
The message also contained vulgarities about oral sex, she said.
David Lambert, the universities vice president for information
technology, said this was not the first time offensive material had
appeared on the Cornell network but he added that the university had never
before had such a wide response to the message that the four students sent
last month. Students and faculty members at many coüeges, from Harvard in
Massachusetts to Stanford in California, have contacted Cornell's
administration to lodge complaints. The four students said they had been
receiving 50 to 60 threatening responses a week
Jacquie Powers, Cornell's vice president for university relations,
said, "There were threats from vafiljbs groups to try to crash our
system." By treating the incident as a case of sexual harassment, the
university has run into an escalating debate about free speech on the
Internet. Many private universities have speech codes that prohibit racist
or sexist language and have applied these codes to campus computer
networks. But Cornell does not have such a code, nor does it control the
content of its computer network Krause said the university brings charges
against a student only if his or her speech constitutes harassment against
a specific individual who complains that the message was directed at him
or her.
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Top 75 reasons why women (bitches) should not have freedom of speech:
"Let's go back to the good old days when men were men and women were ribs"
1. She doesn't need to talk to get me a beer.
2. If she's in the kitchen like she should be, no one can hear heranyway.
3. If she can talk, all she'll do is complain.
4. Because she won't say "I will" instead of "I do."
5. No man wants to hear "first down" during a basketball game.
6. Because PMS is no excuse for whining.
7. No man needs or wants to hear the word "period" unless it has to do
with hockey.
8. Women created tampon and yeast infection commercials during football.
9. Affirmative action.
10. When men whistle at them in the street, they should just shut up and
obey anyway.
11. If my dick's in her mouth, she can't talk anyway.
12. Oprah.
13. Feminists.
14. Because that stupid look on her face should not be accompanied by an
equally stupid statement.
15. The 2nd and 19th amendments.
16. I don't want to be made to lie and say "I love you" after sex.
17. Highway fatalities would decrease by over 90%.
18. When I sneak out at four in the morning, I don't want to hearanybody
calling me back.
19. "No, I will NOT buy you tampons while I'm at the store"
20. This is my dick. I'm gonna fuck you. No more stupid questions.
21. Don't waste your breath, I won't respect you in the morning.
22. Women sportscasters.
23. Women congressman.
24. God forbid, a woman president. (Oops, my bad -- see #66)
25. Marge Schott.
26. Stupid says as stupid does (and is).
27. Dikes (unless I can jump in the middle).
28. Where does speaking come into "barefoot and pregnant?"
29. Yes that toilet seat was yellow in the first place.
30. TLC and Salt-N-Pepa.
31. I could give a shit if you're pregnant.
32. I don't care if you're in labor. For the love of god, let me sleep.
33. Women caused the 18th amendment.
34. The life expectancy of the average male goes down with everybitchy word.
35. Female drunks are annoying unless they put out (for which they dont
need to talk)
36. We're tired of their "We can't pee standing up" shit.
37. That damn apple.
38. If she can't speak, she can't cry rape.
39. Of course, if she can't speak, she can't say no.
40. Rosanne. Nuff said.
41. Suzanne Powter. Too much said.
42. Honestly, do they really have anything useful to say?
43. Only one set of lips should be moving at a time.
44. If she can't talk, she can't bitch when I forget important dates.
45. There are no speaking parts in pornos anyway.
46. When she talks she's not drinking, it's hard to get her drunk when she
talking.
47. Nothing should come out a womans mouth, SWALLOW BITCH!
48. The Mute button only works on the TV.
49. Whores get payed by the hour not by the word.
50. Helen Keller was the ultimate woman.
51. Equality is for math.
52. The credit card bill speaks for itself.
53. If it hurts, I don't wanna hear it.
54. Marcia Clark.
55. Chick-flicks.
56. You don't see Victoria's Secret models talking, do you?
57. Janet, Mariah, and Whitney.
58. Michael Jackson.
59. Silence and sex make a great combination.
60. N.O.W.? NO. NOW BITCH? YES.
61. Intelligent car conversation? Hell no. Her head should never be
above the dashboard.
62. That annoying fat bitch from Snapple.
63. Your mouth is useful in so many other ways.
64. High phone bills really suck.
65. Women should be seen and not heard.
66. Do you think it was BILL Clinton who fucked up the country?
67. If I want romance, I'll turn on Playboy (hopefully not her).
68. Because they're not men.
69. 69, finally a use for both lips at the same time.
70. If I wanted your opinion, I'd ask for it.
71. Hell, if I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.
72. "Where've you been?" Who the fuck are you, my mother?
73. Women on radio? You can't see them, do you really want to hear
them?
74. Unless the words are "Doctor, can you make these bigger?," shut the
fuck up.
75. Big breasts should speak for themselves.
Written by the four-players of CORNELL:
Evan Camps, Brian Waldman, Rikus Linschoten, and the late-season
acquisition, the Deion Sanders of sexism, Pat Sicher.
Terry McIntyre
: This story made MTV news this week. According to the story they did,
: because it was private e-mail and none of the original receipents registered
: any complaints, no harassment charges could be filed. Cornell officals did
: manage to find some reason to bring disciplinary action against the students,
: however (in appropriate use of computer resources or some such nonsense).
: But the discpline amounted to little more than a few hours of community
: service.
What, in your opinion, is the appropriate punishment for the
exercise of the constitutionally protected right to freedom of speech?
There is no point in protecting freedom of politically correct
speech; we already have that, in even the most repressive of regimes.
However tasteless and rude the original post was, it was not criminal;
there was no cause to impose slavery, even for a few hours, upon the
students.
"The proper response to free speech is more free speech."
--
Terry McIntyre http://www.lm.com/~tmcintyr tmci...@pgh.net
Libertarian Harry Browne For President - http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/
Ken Tew
> : This story made MTV news this week. According to the story they did,
> : because it was private e-mail and none of the original receipents registered
> : any complaints, no harassment charges could be filed. Cornell officals did
> : manage to find some reason to bring disciplinary action against the students,
> : however (in appropriate use of computer resources or some such nonsense).
> : But the discpline amounted to little more than a few hours of community
> : service.
> What, in your opinion, is the appropriate punishment for the
> exercise of the constitutionally protected right to freedom of speech?
There should be no punishment for free speech. However, that isn't
what they were being punished for. I'm sure Cornell has some restrictions
on the use of their computers. Furthermore, I'm fairly sure that using
those computer accounts to spread sexist remarks in such a way to make the
national news and bring alot of bad publicity, is probably a violation of how
the accounts where to be used.
For the record, I don't think the students should be punished at all.
You, Terry, appear to have made the mistake of confusing understanding with
advocacy.
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