Why The Coming Suffering?
Why Does Jesus Allow People to Suffer In The World He Created?

If Jesus really compassionately and kindly loves me, why does He let
me suffer so?
Why does Jesus let me suffer interracially/interethnically?
Why did Jesus let me suffer so much loss/grief?
I've prayed so why am I still suffering?
Why did Jesus let me get my STD?
Why did He let them imprison me and what am I supposed to do here?
Why did Jesus let them separate me from my family, leaving them to
suffer alone?

By L. Tyler, P.O.Box 620763, San Diego, CA 92162-0763
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JESUS HAS ALLOWED US TO SUFFER, BE GRIEVED, BE HURT, BE WOUNDED - -

+++4. So that we wont miss (be homesick, want to look/go back like
Lot's wife did) this world's social-economic-political system when we
are in Heaven or ruling with Christ on earth. To love the world's
social, political, and economic systems is to be God's enemy.
***[1 John 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If
anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, 16
because all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the
lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is
of the world. 17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he
who does the will of God abides forever.
***Heb. 11: 13 These all died in faith, not having received the
promises, but having seen them afar off. And they were persuaded of
[them] and embraced [them] and confessed that they were strangers and
pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they who say such things declare plainly
that they seek a fatherland. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of
that [country] from which they came out, they might have had
opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they stretch forth to a
better [fatherland], that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not
ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.]

+++5. So that we can know how and why to choose between the good and
the evil. We don't seem to be so inclined to do evil if we know it is
going to hurt, and hurt us specifically.
***[Deut. 30:15 Behold! I have set before you today life and good, and
death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your
God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments and His
statutes and His judgments, so that you may live and multiply. And the
LORD your God shall bless you in the land where you go to possess it.
17 But if you turn away your heart, so that you will not hear, but
shall be drawn away and worship other gods [self, money, sex etc.] and
serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you shall surely perish;
you shall not prolong [your] days on the land where you pass over
Jordan to go to possess it. 19 I call Heaven and earth to record today
against you. I have set before you life and death, blessing and
cursing. Therefore, choose life, so that both you and your seed may
live, 20 so that you may love the LORD your God, . .]
+++6. Because of our own sins. Our Father Loves us enough to
discipline us. Our Shepherd King Loves we sheep enough to use His rod
on us when we need it to see His way.
***1 Cor. 5: 1 Everywhere [it is] reported [that there is] fornication
among you, and such fornication as is not named among the nations, so
as one to [sexually] have [his] father's wife. 2 And you are puffed
up, and have not rather mourned, so that he who has done this deed may
be taken from your midst. 3 For as being absent in body but present in
spirit, I indeed have judged already [as though I were] present
[concerning] him who worked out this thing; 4 in the name of our Lord
Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, with my spirit; also,
with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ; 5 to deliver such a one to
Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be
saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
***1 Cor. 11: 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of
[that] bread and drink of that cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks
unworthily eats and drinks condemnation to himself, not discerning the
Lord's body. 30 For this cause many among you [are] weak and sickly,
and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be
judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by [the] Lord,
that we should not be condemned with the world.

THE OTHER 19 REASONS SHOULD FOLLOW LATER, IN THE MEANTIME- - - -

WARNING! SUFFERING AHEAD!
I hope all the pre-tribulation rapture people are correct, but I
believe they are not. I believe the rapture takes place at the last
trumpet:

***1 Cor 15:1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)

51 Listen! I am telling you a mystery:

    We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,

    52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

    For the TRUMPET will sound, and the dead will be raised
incorruptible,

    and we will be changed.

***1 THESS 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a
shout, with the archangel's voice, and with the TRUMPET of God, and
the dead in Christ will rise first.
***Rev 11: 15 The seventh angel blew his TRUMPET, and there were loud
voices in heaven saying:   The kingdom of the world has become the
[kingdom]  of our Lord and of His Messiah,
  and He will reign forever and ever!

If that is the case, then that means that we, the disciples of Jesus
Christ, will go through most of the Great Tribulation, described in
Revelation chapters 6 -11. Believing this it is easy to see how the
impending war between Iran and Israel could be the war described in
Revelation 6, where one fourth of the Mid Eastern population is killed
in the first several weeks. Iran now has nuclear bombs and the
missiles that could deliver them to Israel, Europe and our military
bases in  Iraq and Afghanistan. This means that the two Moslem states
that have nuclear weapons, Iran and Pakistan, have powerful segments
of their population that are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Israel would be insane to not make a preemptive strike given the
following facts:

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/nuclear/
A bomb that could easily fit in a van, a pickup with a large camper
shell, or a mobile home; a four wheel drive van, pickup or mobile home
driven at night on a dirt road across the Canadian border without
being checked, or across the Syrian or Jordanian border.

*********Radius of destructive circle: 6.5 miles; Diameter of 98%
destruction: 13 miles = all of Jerusalem and Bethlehem, or all of
central Tel Aviv, or all of Haifa
***12 pounds per square inch of explosive pressure
The remains of some buildings’ foundations are visible. Some of the
strongest buildings — those made of reinforced, poured concrete — are
still standing. Ninety-eight percent of the population within this
area are dead.

*******Radius of destructive circle: 10.7 miles; Diameter of 98%
destruction of all buildings and 50% of all people: 13 miles = all of
Jerusalem and Bethlehem and their neighbors, or all of Tel Aviv and
its suburbs including Holon, Rishon LeTsiyon and Petah Tikva.
***5 pounds per square inch of explosive pressure
Virtually everything is destroyed between the 12 and 5 psi rings. The
walls of typical multi-story buildings, including apartment buildings,
are completely blown out. As you move from the center toward the 5 psi
ring there are more structural skeletons of buildings standing. Single-
family residences within this  area have been completely blown away —
only their foundations remain. Fifty percent of the population between
the 12 and 5 psi rings are dead. Forty percent are seriously injured.
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en&q=Jerusalem&oe=UTF-8...
8&hq=&hnear=Jerusalem,
+Israel&gl=us&ei=cae3SsXrHIiaMLab3NoO&sa=X&oi=geocode_
result&ct=title&resnum=1

So it is clear that it wouldn't take many of these nuclear bombs and
their fall out to kill most of the people in Israel, and the fallout
would kill tens of thousands in Syria, Jordan and Iraq.
So it is perfectly reasonable that Israel will strike Iran first, and
that could be the beginning of the Revelation 6 war that begins the
Great Tribulation. Oil, gas and everything made from them would become
extremely expensive here in the USA, forcing Americans who live from
paycheck to paycheck into desperate living conditions, and many would
fall into a hard and difficult poverty struggling just to have
shelter, food and clothing.

Under Obama's plan to lead our country deep into debt by the
Trillions, already a family of four's part of the national debt is 2
million $, has the dollar at 6o cent compared to the English pound, 65
cents to the Euro and 75 cents to the Japanese Yen. As the value of
the dollar continues to fall we will have to pay more and more of
those dollars for everything. Obama says he won't raise taxes on the
middle class, but he is causing the price of everything to go up and
up, affecting all including the middle class. Hard times ahead. You
know that I believe that America is in line for the wrath of God for
all its sexual immorality, atheism, secularism and is well described
in Romans 1
***18 From heaven God shows how angry He is with all the wicked and
evil things that sinful people do to crush the truth. 19 They know
everything that can be known about God, because God has shown it all
to them. 20 God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from
the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all He
has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse. 21 They know
about God, but they don't honor Him or even thank Him. Their thoughts
are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22 They claim to
be wise, but they are fools. 23 They don't worship the glorious and
eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like
humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and
reptiles.  24So God let these people go their own way. They did what
they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful
things with their bodies.  25 They gave up the truth about God for a
lie [ in their schools, colleges, legislation, judicial decrees], and
they worshiped God's creation [i.e. each other]  instead of God, who
will be praised forever. Amen.
 26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted
to have sex in a natural way, and they worked their genitals with each
other unnaturally. 27 Men behaved IN THE SAME WAY.  They stopped
wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with
other men. They work their genitals with each other, and what has
happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.  28 Since
these people refused even to think about God [in their schools, work,
entertainment and politics], He let their useless minds rule over
them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things. 29 They are
evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They
want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to
get along with. They gossip, 30 say cruel things about others, and
hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up
new ways to do evil [like killing 45 million babies in their mothers'
wombs].  These people don't respect their parents. 31 They are stupid,
unreliable, and don't have any love or pity for others. 32 They know
God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they
keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.

Did you get that? "They know God has said that anyone who acts this
way deserves to die." God breaks it down in Ezek 14
***12 The LORD God said: 13 Ezekiel, son of man, suppose an entire
nation sins against me, and I punish it by destroying the crops and
letting its people and livestock starve to death.  . . . 15Or suppose
I punish a nation by sending wild animals to eat people and scare away
every passerby, so that the land becomes a barren desert.  . . . 17Or
suppose I send an enemy to attack a sinful nation and kill its people
and livestock.  . . .  19 And suppose I am so angry that I send a
deadly disease to wipe out the people and livestock of a sinful
nation. 20 Again, even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were living there, I,
the LORD, promise that the children of these faithful men would also
die. Only the three of them would be spared.

We live in a country that is under God's death sentence, with severe
punishment coming, with fewer and fewer true disciples and followers
of Jesus as their King. Apparently there are still enough left to
cause it to be spared, like with Lot and Sodom, but when the Abrahams
of today stop interceding, and when there are not enough children of
God found  to cause it to be spared,
GOD'S HAMMER WILL FALL ON AMERICA  - wild animals, violent enemy
attacks, deadly diseases and famine. God pulled Lot out of Sodom but
it wasn't a pleasant or easy experience, costing him his wife and all
his possessions and great hardship. We need to be ready, converting
our paper money to gold and silver, laying up a month's supply of food
and water, enough clothing to survive without electricity or gas, and
some other form of transportation like bikes etc. Hard times are
coming and suffering lies ahead in our future. Be like the ants and
prepare to be prepared.

----A LETTER TO A FRIEND.
COPYRIGHT © JANUARY 14, 1996; Revised 10/10/08
By L. Tyler, P.O.Box 620763, San Diego, CA 92162-0763
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Dear Friend,

I have found 22 reasons the Bible gives for the suffering experienced
in this world. But before we get to them, we must deal with the One we
feel is responsible for the suffering in this world.  The God who the
Most High God in our universe characterizes Himself as Father and
Love, the Love described in 1 Cor 13. That means the One who has
allowed your suffering, the suffering you are concerned about, the One
who controls the extent of the suffering, is One who is characterized
by longsuffering, patience, kindness; who is free of envy, evil
jealousy, vain boasting, vainglory, haughtiness, conceit, evil pride,
rudeness, and selfishness. He  is not touchy or fretful or resentful;
does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices when
right and truth prevail, and bears up under anything and everything
that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, hopes
under all circumstances, endures everything [without weakening], and
never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end].
He has promised that He will work all things together for the good of
those who obediently love Him and are called according to [His] design
and purpose. Any suffering He allows His children to endure is under
His control for the good of His Children.

According to Eph. 1:11 everything is under His control because He
works EVERYTHING according to His own will.  The world is never out of
control.  Even though Satan is allowed to be ruler of this world, and
he and his demonic angels work and will in people to do the evil they
want to do, the book of Job shows us that Satan can't do anything to
God's people without God's permission.  You may ask, "Why does Jesus
let Satan do evil things and work in people to do evil?"  How would
you feel if your mom said not to taste the desert she just made, and
you tried to disobey her but every time you tried you couldn't move?

How would you feel if your buddy hit you too hard, and every time you
tried to hit her back, you froze?  How would you feel if some little
kid cussed you out, trash talked you and ridiculed you in public in
front of your best friends, and every time you tried to say something
hard back or do something to the kid you froze?  How would you feel if
someone you thought was your friend ruined your best coat and then
stole money out of your wallet, thinking you wouldn't see, and you
tried to get even but when you tried to do something to your buddy,
you became paralyzed?

You wouldn't like that kind of world, where you couldn't do the bad
things you want to do. You would feel like a prisoner, or like you
were tied up.  Jesus made this world so you could choose to not do His
will, and choose to do the bad things you want to do, or if you wanted
to, you could choose to obey Jesus because you Love Him.  This world
is made so that you can choose between doing the good and doing the
evil, because He doesn't want robots or slaves. He wants people to
choose Him because they Love Him. In the meantime, dads will choose to
do evil to their daughters, Hitler chose to have killed 20 million
people, Stalin chose to have killed 30 million and Mao chose to have
killed over 50 million.  American mothers have chosen to kill by
abortion over 40 million babies since 1960.  The beauty is that He has
promised that every human being who comes into the world will be
enlightened by Jesus before they die (Jn 1:9), even if they haven't
been born yet. So everyone has a chance to choose Jesus before they
die. He gives us all the opportunity to choose (John 16:7-11).

  Dear friend, please remember the point about 1 Cor. 10:13*, He
doesn't allow you to be tried more than you can bear, because you are
stronger, have a better understanding of spiritual warfare and a
deeper faith, the trials will be greater--but never more than you can
bear. Consider the trials of John the Baptist and all the apostles
except John. They all died violent deaths at the hands of those who
hate them, but never more than they could bear. The death of their
bodies was their escape, to keep them from what they couldn't bear.
[1 Cor. 10: 12 He who thinks he stands should take heed lest he fall.
13 No temptation/trial/test has taken you but [what is] common to man;
but God [is] faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted/tried/
tested above what you are able, but with the temptation/trial/test
also will make a way to escape, so that you may be able to bear [it].]

Okay we have that promise about how much suffering we will be allowed
to experience, but what about death? It is a real comfort that we are
so much more than our bodies, that we are just tabernacling in them
temporarily, and even though the body dies, those in Christ NEVER
DIE,  but have consciousness, existence and functional activity that
lasts/exists forever and without end. Christians in a coma still have
eternal life in their spirit and soul, and Jesus is still interacting
with them. That's why I believe in playing Christian radio and music
for Christian people in comas, and why I believe it is important to
read/play scripture for people in comas. The following are a real
comfort. For the Christian, dying is just like fainting, except that
when you return to consciousness you are in a different place.
Lazarus' experience has been confirmed numerous times by eye
witnesses, like the Auca indian experience portrayed in the movie “End
of the Spear" where the Aucas saw Lazarus' experience take place
before their eyes, the souls of those they murdered leaving their
bodies and being taken up and away by "shining beings".
***Luke 16: 20 And at his gate there was dropped down and left a
certain utterly destitute man named Lazarus, covered with ulcerated
sores. 21 He desired to be satisfied with what fell from the rich
man's table; moreover, the dogs even came and licked his sores. 22 And
it occurred that the begging man died and was carried by the angels to
Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.

We are more than our bodies. Our bodies are the places where we
tabernacle temporarily (John 1:14; 2:21). We are body, soul, spirit
and we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1Thess 5:23; 1 Cor 6:19). Jesus
knows our bodies will die, so when He said "Everyone who lives and
believes in Me WILL NEVER DIE" He indicated that we are souls and
spirit temporarily living in bodies.
We in Christ who will never die live in bodies that die.
***John  3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son HAS  life lasting/existing
forever and without end; . . .5: 24 Truly, truly, I say to you,
whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS life lasting/
existing forever and without end. He does not come into judgment, but
HAS PASSED from death to life. . .  6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you,
whoever believes HAS life lasting/existing forever and without
end.. . . .50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven so that
anyone may eat of it and not die. . . .  8:51  I assure you: If anyone
keeps My word, HE WILL NEVER SEE DEATH - EVER!" . . . 11:26 Everyone
who lives and believes in Me WILL NEVER DIE - EVER. . . ."  1 John
5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of
God that you may know that you HAVE consciousness, existence and
functional activity lasting/existing forever and without end.

"Conscious Life Continues After Death"
Religion in Daily Life By the Rev. Edward Chinn, D.Min. Rector, All
Saints' Church 9601 Frankford Ave. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19114
(215) 637-5225 Written 27 October 2000
"The first scientific study of 'near-death' experiences has found new
evidence to suggest that consciousness or the 'soul' can continue to
exist after the brain has ceased to function." (Jonathan Petre,
Electronic Telegraph, London, Sunday, October 22, 2000). Two eminent
doctors in Britain based their findings on a yearlong study of heart
attack survivors. Reports of such "near-death" experiences date back
for many centuries. Persons close to death have vivid encounters with
bright lights and heavenly beings. The new study concludes that a
number of people have had these experiences after they were pronounced
clinically dead.
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/3768.htm
www.amazon.com/90-Minutes-Heaven-Story-Death/dp/0800759494
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-9780800759490-9
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.htmlhttp://www.leaderu.com/truth/1...
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-life-after-death.htm
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20081130/letters/life-after...
 An exercise is no exercise if it doesn't challenge you at the point
where you have to strain and go aerobic, sometimes painfully. The same
with "spiritual" muscles, the trial has to produce stress, strain and
even pain for you to become stronger, more capable, more useful and
fruitful. The fruitful vine looks terrible when it is pruned, and it
would feel terrible if it could feel, but because it is pruned it has
the potential of being more fruitful, and I know you want more fruit
of the Spirit in your life. I know that you want to compassionately
cherish God and others even more than you do now, and that's how you
get there.

This life is boot camp and a war, which, thank God, is shortened for
our sakes. Our resurrected life with Jesus Christ is worth the
struggle. All of our experiences in this mortal life can be used of
God to prepare us to help, comfort, teach, encourage, edify etc others
better when we are given the opportunity to be his delegated agents on
earth as he rules from Jerusalem in fulfillment of His promises to
King David (See 2 Cor 1 below). To rule the earth with Him enthroned
in Jerusalem for a 1000 years (Rev. 20: 2-7), to walk around as His
agents enabled to raise the dead, open the eyes of the blind, to bind
up the broken limbs and hearts, to counsel the broken hearted with
wisdom inspired of God, to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to
free the captives, to teach in power the lost how they can be found
etc etc etc etc. I can hardly wait!
***2 Cor "1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Father of sympathy (pity and mercy) and the God [Who is the
Source] of every comfort (consolation and encouragement),  4 Who
comforts (consoles and encourages) us in every trouble (calamity and
affliction), SO THAT WE MAY ALSO BE ABLE TO COMFORT(CONSOLE AND
ENCOURAGE) THOSE WHO ARE IN ANY KIND OF TROUBLE OR DISTRESS, with the
comfort (consolation and encouragement) with which we ourselves are
comforted (consoled and encouraged) by God.   5 For just as Christ's
[own] sufferings fall to our lot [as they overflow upon His disciples,
and we share and experience them] abundantly, so through Christ
comfort (consolation and encouragement) is also [shared and
experienced] abundantly by us. 6 But if we are troubled (afflicted and
distressed), it is for your comfort (consolation and encouragement)
and [for your] salvation; and if we are comforted (consoled and
encouraged), it is for your comfort (consolation and encouragement),
which works [in you] when you patiently endure the same evils
(misfortunes and calamities) that we also suffer and undergo. 7 And
our hope for you [our joyful and confident expectation of good for
you] is ever unwavering (assured and unshaken); for we know that just
as you share and are partners in [our] sufferings and calamities, you
also share and are partners in [our] comfort (consolation and
encouragement). 8 For we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren,
about the affliction and oppressing distress which befell us in [the
province of] Asia, how we were so utterly and unbearably weighed down
and crushed that we despaired even of life [itself]." AB

If you have suffered maritally, please consider attending a Christian
divorce/grief recovery support group. You are still deeply grieving
inside over your ex and those "saints" that so deeply and carnally
broke your heart. I know that I desperately needed and greatly
benefited from the free one I attended at Del Cerro So. Bapt. Church.
It was critical in my recovery and in my readiness to be healed and in
my learning how and where I needed to grow, to forgive my ex, and to
prepare my heart for my next. Many churches and ministries have free
support groups that are usually extremely helpful. Please call around
for times and places and pray about attending and let the Lord
minister to you through the saints. But why does He allow us to
suffer, to grieve so deeply and have hearts so broken than you can
feel the pain throughout your chest, so depressed that it seems a
struggle to survive, grief so deep that you never know what will cause
the tears to flow next? Here are some that I have become aware of and
they are all for our good. Please consider them and, in each, ask if
its goal was accomplished in your life.

We know how  the Most High Father let Jesus' body be tortured to death
to die in our place  for our sins, because of our sins, so that He
could be both Just in punishing sin, and Merciful in offering us
forgiveness on the basis of relying on Jesus substitutionary and
sacrificial death for us. The Spirit tells us that Jesus suffered much
for us in His  human body so that He would learn, like we have to,
that it is best to obey (Heb 5:8,9).

God, The Father, the Consuming Fire, the Most High God sent His only
Son born of woman to bear our death penalty, allowing Him to suffer
terribly. For about 19 hours the Father allowed His Son to be falsely
accused, unjustly tried, verbally abused, physically abused, spit
upon, beaten, slapped, punched, slugged, tied up, led away as a
prisoner, imprisoned, mocked, ridiculed, flogged Roman style with a
whip made of leather strips embedded with pieces of bone or metal that
brutally tore His flesh, and stripped in public (Mat 26:6-27:31). His
hands and feet were nailed to a cross and for about three to six hours
He was hung on a cross publicly to die a slow and exceedingly painful
death, every second filled with misery suffering (Mat 27).
***1 Peter 2:19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience
toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit
is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently?
But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is
commendable before God. 21 For to this you were called, because Christ
also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow
His steps:
       22 “ Who committed no sin,
      Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
 23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He
suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges
righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree,
that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose
stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but
have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. NKJV
***Heb 9: 26 . . . "But now He has appeared one time, at the end of
the ages, for the removal of sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And
just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this,
judgment — 28 so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear
the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to
bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him. HCSB

 All of the Apostles except John died violent deaths at the hands of
persecutors, and they tried to kill John but he was miraculously
spared to write Revelation. The Most High Father allowed Paul to
suffer terribly and Jesus gave him part of the reason, to save him
from pride (2 Cor 12), teaching Him that He makes His strength perfect
in our weakness, so that the credit and glory goes to the right
person, to Jesus who was living in Paul and in lives in all His
children.  Jesus allowed Paul to suffer in - - - -
"imprisonments, [beaten] with countless stripes, and frequently [at
the point of] death. 24 Five times I received from [the hands of] the
Jews forty [lashes all] but one; 25 Three times I have been beaten
with rods; once I was stoned. Three times I have been aboard a ship
wrecked at sea; a [whole] night and a day I have spent [adrift] on the
deep; 26 Many times on journeys, [exposed to] perils from rivers,
perils from bandits, perils from [my own] nation, perils from the
Gentiles, perils in the city, perils in the desert places, perils in
the sea, perils from those posing as believers [but destitute of
Christian knowledge and piety]; 27 In toil and hardship, watching
often [through sleepless nights], in hunger and thirst, frequently
driven to fasting by want, in cold and exposure and lack of clothing."
2 Cor 11

Jesus and the apostles made it clear that significant suffering lies
in the path of anyone who becomes a child of God by faith in Jesus
Christ alone to be saved from the power, presence and penalty of sin.
***" Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer
persecution."(2 Timothy 3:11-13)
***Luke 6:22 "Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude
you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of
Man’s sake. . . . 21:17 "And you will be hated by all for My name’s
sake." ***John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love
its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of
the world, therefore the world hates you."

So how have the children of God suffered in the past according to the
Bible and Fox's Book of Martyrs? Is it like their suffering today?

***Heb 11: . . . 24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to
be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer
affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures
of sin, 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the
treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward. 27 By faith he
forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as
seeing Him who is invisible.  . . . (NKJV) Others were tortured, not
accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.
36 Still others had trial of mockings and severely painful whippings,
yes, and of chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were
sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered
about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted,
tormented— 38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in
deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And all
these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive
the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they
should not be made perfect apart from us. . . . 13All these died in
faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having
welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were
strangers and exiles on the earth. 14 For those who say such things
make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. 15 And
indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went
out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But as it is, they
desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one Therefore God is not
ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for
them.      NASB

 ------IF IT WAS NECESSARY & INEVITABLE FOR JESUS, THE APOSTLES,
INCLUDING PAUL, TO SUFFER IN THIS EVIL WORLD, HOW CAN WE SURPRISED IF
WE TOO SUFFER IN OUR BODIES IN OUR LIVES? Below are 22 reasons given
for why Jesus lets us suffer in this world today. JESUS HAS ALLOWED US
TO SUFFER, BE GRIEVED, BE HURT, BE WOUNDED SO THAT- - - -

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+++1. So that we can know that we belong to Christ. If the world hated
Him, it will hate us too----if we live like He wants us to live.
***[2 Tim 3:11 . . . What persecutions I endured! But the Lord
delivered me out of all. 12 Yea, and all who desire to live godly in
Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 1 Pet. 2: 19 For this [is an
undeserved gift of loving kindness] , if for conscience [toward] God
anyone endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory [is it]
if you patiently endure [while] sinning and being buffeted? But if you
suffer [while] doing good, and patiently endure, this [is an
undeserved gift of loving kindness] from God. 21 For were you not
called to this? For Christ also suffered on our behalf, leaving us an
example, that you should follow His steps, . . . .;
***Mat. 13: 20 But that which was sown on the stony places is this: he
who hears the Word and immediately receives it with joy. 21 But he has
no root in himself, and is temporary. For when tribulation or
persecution arises on account of the word, he immediately stumbles. 22
And that sown into the thorns is this: he who hears the word; and the
anxiety of this world, and the deceit of riches, choke the word, and
he becomes unfruitful. 23 But that sown on the good ground is this:
"he who hears the Word and understands; who also bears fruit and
produces" one truly a hundredfold; and one sixty; and one thirty.]

+++ 2. Because we are followers of Christ, who was tortured and
executed by the world. If they did it to Him, they'll surely do it to
us too. All but one of the apostles were martyred.
***[John 15: 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its
own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out
of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that
I said to you, The servant is not greater than his master. If they
have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they have kept My
saying, they will also keep yours. 21 But all these things they will
do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent
Me.

+++3. So that evil doers will not come to God just to escape from Hell
and suffering in this life. He wants sinners to come to Him because
they love Him who first loved them, not because they forgot to join
the Noah's Ark Club and don't want to drown. The promise that all who
live godly in Christ Jesus is often enough to scare away the
superficial and shallow pretenders. He allows evil to happen to His
own children, to separate the wheat from the chaff and so that we may
find out if our faith is real, or just froth. Noah's flood Genesis 6 +
Rev. 21:27
***[Mat. 13: 20 But that which was sown on the stony places is this:
he who hears the Word and immediately receives it with joy. 21 But he
has no root in himself, and is temporary. For when tribulation or
persecution arises on account of the word, he immediately stumbles.
***1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time. And just as you
have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have
risen up, from which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went
out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were of us, they
would have continued with us. But [they went out] so that it might be
revealed that they were not all of us.

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