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Subject: The Way of Jesus Christ That I Believe and Why I Believe Him
     The Way of Jesus Christ That I Believe and Why I Believe Him

COPYRIGHT JANUARY 14, 1996; Revised 1/7/2004; 05/13/09
All rights reserved, By R. L. Tyler
This file, in its entirety, may be posted on or copied off of
computer networks like Internet or WWW by anyone so
inclined AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CHANGED.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Best_Way_to_Live/
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christian_Life_Issues_Today
http://christianlifeissuestoday.groups.live.com/
http://christianlifeissues.multiply.com/

Why is what you believe important? From http://net.bible.org/illustration.php?topic=1243
"Another survey conducted by the Lutheran Brotherhood asked, “Are
there absolute standards for morals and ethics or does everything
depend on the situation?” Seventy-nine percent of the respondents in
the 18-34 age group said that standards did not exist and that the
situation should always dictate behavior. Three percent said they were
not sure. If this poll is correct, 82 percent of all students believe
that right and wrong are relative terms and that morality is a
ridiculous concept. . . . . 'There is no such thing as absolute
truth. . . . there is no such thing as absolute truth; different
people can define truth in conflicting ways and still be correct.' In
1991 in a George Barna poll 66% of Americans agreed: 3/4’s of 18-25
year olds, 59% of 55+ year olds. . . . About one in three American men
claims to be a born-again Christian, but only 28 percent attend church
on any given weekend. . . . Barna also found that even men who claim
to be Christians . . . . 28 percent deny that Jesus was physically
raised from the dead, while 27 percent say He committed sins.
Surprisingly, 55 percent of self-identified Christian men agreed that
all people “experience the same outcome after death, regardless of
their way into heaven. . . . Barna found that less than half of
Christian men believe that there are absolute moral truths (47
percent) or that the Bible and religion should be primary influences
on moral thinking (40 percent)."

On the other hand, Jesus -Jehovah God says "25 There is a way that
seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death."(Prv16. NIV)
***Isaiah 32:6 For the fool speaks folly,and his heart is busy with
iniquity,to practice ungodliness,to utter error concerning the LORD,
to leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied,and to deprive the
thirsty of drink. ESV
***Psalm 118:27; 144:15 . . . God [is] Jehovah, . . .
***Psalm 14:1; 53;1 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no
[Jehovah] God. God is not [Jehovah]."They are corrupt, . . . ESV/YLT
***Zephaniah 3:17 Jehovah thy God [is] in thy midst, . . .
***Isaiah 42:5 This is what God Jehovah says— WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS
and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from
it, who gives breath to the people on it and life to those who walk on
it —
***Colos 1: . . . the Father, who has enabled you to share in the
saints' inheritance in the light. 13 He [the Father] has rescued us
from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the
Son He loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He [the Son] is the image of the invisible God [the Father], . . .
16 because BY HIM EVERYTHING WAS CREATED, IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, the
visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17
He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together."
***1Cor 8:4 About eating food offered to idols, then, we know that "an
idol is nothing in the world," and that "there is no God but one." 5
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as
there are many "gods" and many "lords"—6 yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom are ALL things, and we for Him;  and one Lord,
Jesus Christ,  through whom are ALL things, and we through Him.
***John 10:30 The Father and I are one."
***John 14:6 Jesus told him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me"

The Way of Jesus is the Only Way to God and His Kingdom in Heaven; to
LOVE that is kind, unselfish, compassionate and patient; to TRUTH that
enlightens and liberates; to LIGHT that enlightens and edifies; and to
LIFE with God that never ends and is gloriously fulfilling and
purposeful. Jesus showed and shows us the WAY He wants to Live His
Life in and through us.

THE BEST WAY TO LIVE IS JESUS' WAY

Do you want to have a significant part in
untying the straps that bind people to oppressive yokes,
freeing the oppressed from oppression,
breaking the heavy burdens of hurting people,
sharing your food with the hungry.
giving drink to the thirsty,
finding adequate shelter for the homeless,
clothing those who need clothing,
loosening from people the chains of crippling wickedness,
freeing those involuntarily enslaved,
saving children and women from s-x slavery,
taking care of the sick,
helping those in prison,
delivering the innocent from false accusations,
meeting the needs of the needy,
seeking justice for the oppressed,
helping the blind,
protecting the poor and homeless,
taking care of needy orphans and widows,
helping and taking care of needy relatives,
and trying to stop evil doers from doing evil to others?
Jesus says, "Come, follow me." Mat 4:19; 19:21.

Are you willing to ask Jesus to save you from all that you are without
Him, to come and live in you to make you fit for Heaven, to give
yourself and your life to Jesus ---
***to break the bonds and chains of wickedness,
***to untie the restraining ropes of enslaving, oppressive and
burdensome restraints;^
***to set the oppressed free,
***to protect foreigners from abuse and harm,
***to unselfishly, patiently, kindly and compassionately love and
provide for the needy foreign resident;^
***to try to help and provide justice for the needy, the fatherless,
the widow and the helpless;
***to rescue the poor and needy from the hands of the wicked,
***to rescue those wrongfully taken off to be killed, those moving
toward slaughter in the womb or outside of it, especially in the
matter of abortion;^
***to uphold the rights of the oppressed and the destitute,
***to remove every burdensome and oppressing restraint,
***to share bread with the hungry,
***to give something to drink to the thirsty,
***to provide housing for the poor and homeless,
***to clothe the inadequately clothed when they are encountered,
***to help take care of the sick and imprisoned,
***to see to it that bereft women and children are taken care of,
***to not ignore or neglect one's own familial flesh and blood,
***to rid public gatherings of scornful and accusatory finger-pointing
and malicious speaking,
***to offer that with which sustains life to the encountered hungry,
and
***to effectively meet the needs of the encountered afflicted^.
~Eph 5:7-11: 2Tim 2:24-26; Gal 6:1;        `Mat 29:19,20; Acts
20:25-35;      ^ Isaiah 58; Mat 25; James 1:27; Jer 22:16; Deut 24:17;
10:18; Prov 24:11; Psa 10:14; 82:3,4; 146:9; 68:5.

This is the LIFE that only King Jesus, the Messiah, asks you to live,
and offers to LIVE in and through you, if you will ask Him to come and
LIVE in you, making you fit and compatible for His Kingdom and Heaven
today; asking Him to work, accomplish, motivate and will in you His
work and will. Jesus says -
" 20Look, I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone listens to
my voice and opens the door, I'll come in and we'll eat together." Rev
3 GW

Do you want to live in a world where people are joyful, peaceful,
good, faithful, dependable, gentle, well self-controlled, unselfish,
compassionate, patient, kind, humble, considerate, just, truthful,
hopeful, persevering? Only He has made it possible for us in our
spirits to know and live in such a world today, while we live today in
a world full of evil, injustice, jealousy, pride, arrogance, evil
anger, bitterness, resentment, vengeance, exploitation, violence,
abuse and exploitation.

BUT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ABSOLUTE AND ETERNAL TRUTH, YOU DON'T
BELIEVE IN JESUS FOR HE IS THE TRUTH AND THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER.

Do you believe that the Word of God, the Judeo-Christian Holy Bible is
the ABSOLUTELY TRUE Word of God?
I have no argument about or disagreement with Matthew and Hebrews
being written in Hebrew. It would be perfectly logical for James and
Peter to encourage and even participate in a Hebrew version/copy of
any parts of the NT written originally in Greek.
Doesn't change the fact that we have copies of Mark in Greek dug up in
Israel dated at 51 AD.
Yahweh-Yashua has always kept His Word useable and used among His
children, and has promised to keep it so. That being the case, He
would never let His people go without His Word. His people are
scattered all over the world and so He would scatter His Word all over
the world, keeping the agreement between the copies of His Word so
that His people everywhere would have His Word.

If His Word has been hid His people/children for decades, centuries,
generations ---then I don't believe that "hidden Word" is His Word,
whether it be Greek or Hebrew. For me the final test in debated and
controversial passages is this, "What rendering is supported by the
vast majority of the 15,000 translations, copies, versions etc, from
Asia, the Mid East, Africa and Europe; dating from 200 AD to 1500 AD,
that was being used by His people at the time written, so known
because they walk in obedience to His Word in the Name of Yahweh-
Yahshua. I am not interested in nor do I have the time for new
translations or versions that have been hidden from the people of
Yahweh-Yahshua for decades/centuries/generations. He has promised to
always cause His people to have His Word. There
...

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From: Ron Tyler <oldserv...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 04:18:20 -0700
Local: Thurs, Aug 6 2009 7:18 am
Subject: The Way of Jesus Christ That I Believe and Why I Believe Him

The Way of Jesus Christ That I Believe and Why I Believe Him

COPYRIGHT JANUARY 14, 1996; Revised 1/7/2004; 05/13/09

All rights reserved, By R. L. Tyler

This file, in its entirety, may be posted on or copied off of

computer networks like Internet or WWW by anyone so

inclined AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CHANGED.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Best_Way_to_Live/

http://groups.google.com/group/PGChristianLivingIssues

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christian_Life_Issues_Today

http://christianlifeissuestoday.groups.live.com/

http://christianlifeissues.multiply.com/

Why is what you believe important? From
http://net.bible.org/illustration.php?topic=1243

"Another survey conducted by the Lutheran Brotherhood asked, “Are there
absolute standards for morals and ethics or does everything depend on the
situation?” Seventy-nine percent of the respondents in the 18-34 age group
said that standards did not exist and that the situation should always
dictate behavior. Three percent said they were not sure. If this poll is
correct, 82 percent of all students believe that right and wrong are
relative terms and that morality is a ridiculous concept. . . . . 'There is
no such thing as absolute truth. . . . there is no such thing as absolute
truth; different people can define truth in conflicting ways and still be
correct.' In 1991 in a George Barna poll 66% of Americans agreed: 3/4’s of
18-25 year olds, 59% of 55+ year olds. . . . About one in three American men
claims to be a born-again Christian, but only 28 percent attend church on
any given weekend. . . . Barna also found that even men who claim to be
Christians . . . . 28 percent deny that Jesus was physically raised from the
dead, while 27 percent say He committed sins. Surprisingly, 55 percent of
self-identified Christian men agreed that all people “experience the same
outcome after death, regardless of their way into heaven. . . . Barna found
that less than half of Christian men believe that there are absolute moral
truths (47 percent) or that the Bible and religion should be primary
influences on moral thinking (40 percent)."

On the other hand, Jesus -Jehovah God says "25 There is a way that seems
right to a man,

but in the end it leads to death."(Prv16. NIV)

***Isaiah 32:6 For the fool speaks folly,and his heart is busy with
iniquity,to practice ungodliness,to utter error concerning the LORD, to
leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied,and to deprive the thirsty of
drink. ESV

***Psalm 118:27; 144:15 . . . God [is] Jehovah, . . .

***Psalm 14:1; 53;1 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no [Jehovah] God.
God is not [Jehovah]."They are corrupt, . . . ESV/YLT

***Zephaniah 3:17 Jehovah thy God [is] in thy midst, . . .

***Isaiah 42:5 This is what God Jehovah says— WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS and
stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who
gives breath to the people on it and life to those who walk on it —

***Colos 1: . . . the Father, who has enabled you to share in the saints'
inheritance in the light. 13 He [the Father] has rescued us from the domain
of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son He loves, 14 in
whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He [the Son] is the
image of the invisible God [the Father], . . . 16 because BY HIM EVERYTHING
WAS CREATED, IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, the visible and the invisible, whether
thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created
through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and by Him all things
hold together."

***1Cor 8:4 About eating food offered to idols, then, we know that "an idol
is nothing in the world," and that "there is no God but one." 5 For even if
there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many
"gods" and many "lords"—6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom
are ALL things, and we for Him;  and one Lord, Jesus Christ,  through whom
are ALL things, and we through Him.

***John 10:30 The Father and I are one."

***John 14:6 Jesus told him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one
comes to the Father except through Me"

The Way of Jesus is the Only Way to God and His Kingdom in Heaven; to LOVE
that is kind, unselfish, compassionate and patient; to TRUTH that enlightens
and liberates; to LIGHT that enlightens and edifies; and to LIFE with God
that never ends and is gloriously fulfilling and purposeful. Jesus showed
and shows us the WAY He wants to Live His Life in and through us.

THE BEST WAY TO LIVE IS JESUS' WAY

Do you want to have a significant part in

untying the straps that bind people to oppressive yokes,

freeing the oppressed from oppression,

breaking the heavy burdens of hurting people,

sharing your food with the hungry.

giving drink to the thirsty,

finding adequate shelter for the homeless,

clothing those who need clothing,

loosening from people the chains of crippling wickedness,

freeing those involuntarily enslaved,

saving children and women from s-x slavery,

taking care of the sick,

helping those in prison,

delivering the innocent from false accusations,

meeting the needs of the needy,

seeking justice for the oppressed,

helping the blind,

protecting the poor and homeless,

taking care of needy orphans and widows,

helping and taking care of needy relatives,

and trying to stop evil doers from doing evil to others?

Jesus says, "Come, follow me." Mat 4:19; 19:21.

Are you willing to ask Jesus to save you from all that you are without Him,
to come and live in you to make you fit for Heaven, to give yourself and
your life to Jesus ---

***to break the bonds and chains of wickedness,

***to untie the restraining ropes of enslaving, oppressive and burdensome
restraints;^

***to set the oppressed free,

***to protect foreigners from abuse and harm,

***to unselfishly, patiently, kindly and compassionately love and provide
for the needy foreign resident;^

***to try to help and provide justice for the needy, the fatherless, the
widow and the helpless;

***to rescue the poor and needy from the hands of the wicked,

***to rescue those wrongfully taken off to be killed, those moving toward
slaughter in the womb or outside of it, especially in the matter of
abortion;^

***to uphold the rights of the oppressed and the destitute,

***to remove every burdensome and oppressing restraint,

***to share bread with the hungry,

***to give something to drink to the thirsty,

***to provide housing for the poor and homeless,

***to clothe the inadequately clothed when they are encountered,

***to help take care of the sick and imprisoned,

***to see to it that bereft women and children are taken care of,

***to not ignore or neglect one's own familial flesh and blood,

***to rid public gatherings of scornful and accusatory finger-pointing and
malicious speaking,

***to offer that with which sustains life to the encountered hungry, and

***to effectively meet the needs of the encountered afflicted^.

~Eph 5:7-11: 2Tim 2:24-26; Gal 6:1;        `Mat 29:19,20; Acts 20:25-35;
  ^ Isaiah 58; Mat 25; James 1:27; Jer 22:16; Deut 24:17; 10:18; Prov 24:11;
Psa 10:14; 82:3,4; 146:9; 68:5.

This is the LIFE that only King Jesus, the Messiah, asks you to live, and
offers to LIVE in and through you, if you will ask Him to come and LIVE in
you, making you fit and compatible for His Kingdom and Heaven today; asking
Him to work, accomplish, motivate and will in you His work and will. Jesus
says -

" 20Look, I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone listens to my
voice and opens the door, I'll come in and we'll eat together." Rev 3 GW

Do you want to live in a world where people are joyful, peaceful, good,
faithful, dependable, gentle, well self-controlled, unselfish,
compassionate, patient, kind, humble, considerate, just, truthful, hopeful,
persevering? Only He has made it possible for us in our spirits to know and
live in such a world today, while we live today in a world full of evil,
injustice, jealousy, pride, arrogance, evil anger, bitterness, resentment,
vengeance, exploitation, violence, abuse and exploitation.

BUT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ABSOLUTE AND ETERNAL TRUTH, YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN
JESUS FOR HE IS THE TRUTH AND THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER.

Do you believe that the Word of God, the Judeo-Christian Holy Bible is the
ABSOLUTELY TRUE Word of God?

I have no argument about or disagreement with Matthew and Hebrews being
written in Hebrew. It would be perfectly logical for James and Peter to
encourage and even participate in a Hebrew version/copy of any parts of the
NT written originally in Greek.

Doesn't change the fact that we have copies of Mark in Greek dug up in
Israel dated at 51 AD.

Yahweh-Yashua has always kept His Word useable and used among His children,
and has promised to keep it so. That being the case, He would never let His
people go without His Word. His people are scattered all over the world and
so He would scatter His Word all over the world, keeping the agreement
between the copies of His Word so that His people everywhere would have His
Word.

If His Word has been hid His people/children for decades, centuries,
generations ---then I don't believe that "hidden Word" is His Word, whether
it be Greek or Hebrew. For me the final test in debated and controversial
passages is this, "What rendering is supported by the vast majority of the
15,000 translations, copies, versions etc, from Asia, the Mid East, Africa
and Europe; dating from 200 AD to 1500 AD, that was being used by His people
at the time written, so known because they walk in obedience to His Word in
the Name of Yahweh-Yahshua. I am not interested in nor do I have the time
for new translations or versions that have been hidden from the people of
Yahweh-Yahshua for decades/centuries/generations. He has promised to always
cause His people to have His Word. There are few miracles greater than the
miraculous degree of agreement between the Old Itala, the Coptic, the
Peshitta,
...

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