last night's meeting - anything interesting?

[Justin Bailey]

I wasn't able to attend last night but I wonder what came up. Was the ICFP contest much discussed? Anything else?

Justin

[Tim Chevalier]

I won't presume to judge how interesting anything was, but:

- Bart talked about solving Project Euler problems in Haskell
(http://projecteuler.net/)
- This led to a brief discussion of space leaks in Haskell; I
presented my favorite example (which I didn't come up with) that
illustrates why reasoning about space usage in Haskell is hard:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Haskell_Performance#Controlling_Space
and then look at "Tricky space leak example"
- I talked about the ICFP contest problem (http://icfpcontest.org/)
- We tried to arrive at a date/place for the gathering during OSCON,
but failed to achieve consensus, and agreed that we would discuss this
on the mailing list pretty soon.
- The idea was floated of asking people at Galois whether they would
be interested in hosting a future pdxfunc meeting, and of whether a
downtown location would be preferable to the current SE location (I
think Cubespace is a fine location, but others may have different
opinions.) Galois people may feel free to chime in, though I'm not
sure whether they're up for letting us run around in their office
after hours.
- We adjourned to the pub, where Bart attempted to convince Igal that
OO languages are inherently a pile of fail, and I played devil's
advocate for both sides.

Cheers,
Tim

--
Tim Chevalier * http://cs.pdx.edu/~tjc * Often in error, never in doubt
"Love is an exploding cigar which we willingly smoke."--Lynda Barry

[Igal Koshevoy]

Tim: Thanks for the good write-up.

On Jul 15, 2:56 pm, "Tim Chevalier" <catamorph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - We tried to arrive at a date/place for the gathering during OSCON,
> but failed to achieve consensus, and agreed that we would discuss this
> on the mailing list pretty soon.

I was proposing a Tuesday, July 22nd dinner, because that seems to
minimize total scheduling collisions with other events. Challenges for
finding a venue include: (1) It should let us put a bunch of people in
close proximity rather than at separate tables and booths, and (2) it
should be within walking distance of the OCC or MAX. Anything that
requires using the bus will be unpopular with convention attendees.

Suggestions?

> - We adjourned to the pub, where Bart attempted to convince Igal that
> OO languages are inherently a pile of fail, and I played devil's
> advocate for both sides.

This was a very difficult argument to prove, at least at the pub.
Hopefully Bart or someone else can prepare a more in-depth talk on
this for an upcoming meeting to attempt a more systematic argument. :)

-igal

[Kevin Scaldeferri]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Igal Koshevoy wrote:

>
> Tim: Thanks for the good write-up.
>
> On Jul 15, 2:56 pm, "Tim Chevalier" <catamorph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> - We tried to arrive at a date/place for the gathering during OSCON,
>> but failed to achieve consensus, and agreed that we would discuss
>> this
>> on the mailing list pretty soon.
> I was proposing a Tuesday, July 22nd dinner, because that seems to
> minimize total scheduling collisions with other events. Challenges for
> finding a venue include: (1) It should let us put a bunch of people in
> close proximity rather than at separate tables and booths, and (2) it
> should be within walking distance of the OCC or MAX. Anything that
> requires using the bus will be unpopular with convention attendees.

Err... isn't the Tuesday Evening Extravaganza on, well, Tuesday
evening??

-kevin

[Igal Koshevoy]

I'm proposing dinner, like at 5pm. The Extravaganza starts at 7:30pm.
You should be able to attend both events. If someone wants to suggest
another time/place, they're welcome to but should review the earlier
messages in the thread which point out all sorts of other event
collisions that we're trying to work around.

Anyone hanging around Haskell Cafe and such have an idea of expected
headcount if we announce this?

Anyone have a suggestion of a venue?

-igal

[Kevin Scaldeferri]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Igal Koshevoy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Err... isn't the Tuesday Evening Extravaganza on, well, Tuesday
>> evening??
> I'm proposing dinner, like at 5pm. The Extravaganza starts at 7:30pm.
> You should be able to attend both events. If someone wants to suggest
> another time/place, they're welcome to but should review the earlier
> messages in the thread which point out all sorts of other event
> collisions that we're trying to work around.

Well, it's OSCON. There will be no time when there's not 8 other
events going on at the same time.

Early dinner on Tues is fine, just remember transit times, and that
the ballroom gets packed for the TEE pretty quickly.

-k

[Kevin Scaldeferri]

Have we ever finalized a time/place for this?

Francesco Cesarini, who is giving the Erlang tutorial may join us, but
I need to give him details.

-k

[Igal Koshevoy]

No, we haven't finalized it. I don't know of a place that (1) offers
dinner and alcohol and is (2) near a MAX line or the OCC that (3) can
accommodate a larger group (4) with either a large table or lets us move
tables and is (5) quiet enough that we'll be able to hear each other.

Tuesday dinner starting at 5pm seemed to be the best fit in terms of
avoiding scheduling conflicts.

Produce Row seems the best fit that I know of, but requires a 10-15
minute walk and may be hard for out-of-towners to find.

Other suggestions are very welcome.

-igal

[rco...@gmail.com]

As an alternate location, you might consider Old Town Pizza downtown. They have an upstairs room that can seat 12+, and fit all theother criteria (food + drinks, just off MAX line, WiFi) as best I can recall.

-Lennon
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[Igal Koshevoy]

rco...@gmail.com wrote:
> As an alternate location, you might consider Old Town Pizza downtown. They have an upstairs room that can seat 12+, and fit all theother criteria (food + drinks, just off MAX line, WiFi) as best I can recall.
>

Thanks for the good tip, Lennon. That sounds ideal and everyone loves
pizza ... we can have it for dinner two days in a row. :p

Does 5pm, Tuesday at Old Town Pizza work for the rest of you?

Can someone please confirm whether it's available and make reservation?
If the room costs money, we'll just ask everyone that shows up to pitch
in to cover it.

I'd do this myself, but I'm overwhelmed with FOSCON work (pdxfoscon.org).

-igal

[Patrick Logan]

I'll call them now.

[Patrick Logan]

Old Town says...

(1) Tuesday at 5pm is usually empty enough to accomodate ~12 folks walking in.
(2) or, a reservation can be made which carries with it a single tab
and an automatic 18% gratuity.

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Igal Koshevoy <ig...@pragmaticraft.com> wrote:
>

[Igal Koshevoy]

Old Town Pizza is at
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Old+Town+Pizza&jsv=120&sll=45.510143,-122.686336&sspn=0.008135,0.015986&ie=UTF8&latlng=45524540,-122672704,2402663149339164466&ei=ijiFSOzjL53EiQO5xPWrDw&sig2=PUEKwUsoobfufn5a9LG4ig&cd=1&dtab=5>226
NW Davis St, Portland, OR

Let's just meet up there. If someone wants to do a reservation, they're
welcome to do so but please be sure to post to the list so everyone
knows to bring cash to pay you back for the single tab.

See you there.

-igal

[Phil Tomson]

Anyone coming over to Old Town Pizza?

Phil

[Igal Koshevoy]

Phil Tomson wrote:
> Anyone coming over to Old Town Pizza?
>

T'was fun, thanks to all that came!

-igal