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Subject: Re: KDE crashes after synaptic update, on initial install.
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That is pretty much what I have been doing while waiting for your reply.
Except, In order for me to install Office libre, I need to update the
system. I will look for ways to do it, but everything I've tried I get the
same reply. "system update is required".
I had figured out that it was hanging up on the wifi card, but I couldn't
configure the network or anything for that matter after the reboot.
I did get Ubuntu to run on here, but can't stand the Unity desk top. Had to
install Synaptic, (ARE YOU KIDDING ME!) and then install gnome. everything
seems to be working. with a little fiddling of the WIFI driver.
I have not forgot about PCLOS. As soon as I get my spare back I will be
installing KDE on it. Then I can fiddle around with it like a little kid in
a candy store.
I want to thank you and whomever else helped me out here, and PCLinuxOS
seems to be awesome.
On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:32:39 PM UTC-5, WebRat wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42:28 AM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:
>>
>> Everything you said was the process I went thru except, I was not offered
>> to pick synaptic mirrors.
>> The last package synaptic was working on was a USB update?
>> I don't think that ever finished when the screen went blank. Tried to
>> reboot and this was the last line:
>>
>> EIP: [<f0844a6e>] wl_cfg80211_detatch+0xl6e/0x180 [wl} ss:esp 0068:ec043
>> cac
>>
>> Then I tried to reboot in safe mode and it stopped here:
>> (these are the last two lines)
>>
>> fuse init (API version 7.16)
>> non volatile memory driver V1.3
>>
>> I then pushed the power button to re-install the pclos iso disk and it
>> rebooted to the log-in screen. I logged in got the desktop but nothing
>> worked. Tried to reboot a couple times but got the same.
>>
>> Now I have reinstalled the kde iso, and everything works. (without
>> synaptic update).
>>
>> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, webrat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:06:44 PM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The time lag between posts is not a problem, for you can see I'm right
>>>> on the ball too. My son is using one of my extras in the meantime.
>>>> All the info in the boot menu matches, except of course for the Toshiba
>>>> hard drive. the first crash was when i tried to update the system with
>>>> symantic. After the update the system rebooted and crashed. I had read over
>>>> and over that installing too many update can crash your system. But that
>>>> would mean you could only install a pclos right around the release date.
>>>> Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I used an ISO disk to do the
>>>> initial install.
>>>> I will update again with synaptic (should be about 188 packets). and if
>>>> it crashes I will make note of what it's doing.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 8:49:56 PM UTC-5, webrat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:11:02 PM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It went into the reboot. but stopped half way through and gave me a
>>>>>> flashing cursor. after seeing this your going to need to know where it
>>>>>> stopped, or the last line of what it was trying to do. I can answer this if
>>>>>> I do another synaptic update and see if it crashes again. Let me know
>>>>>> everything I'll need to report before I crash this again please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:16:46 PM UTC-5, webrat wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In your initial posting you don't say if it is synaptic that crashes
>>>>>>> or the whole system, of course I am assuming you are referring to the whole
>>>>>>> system, in which case I must ask,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:54:52 PM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guess not! Are there packages i can block during the update?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, sorry it took so long to get back. weird work hours, yes I
>>>>> would like to know what the last line said and also if any daemons failed
>>>>> to start. Here is something you can check on before crashing it again.
>>>>> while it is running, open the Control Center and go to "Boot", in the first
>>>>> screen you should see two (2) drop down selection menus and three text
>>>>> fields. In the first drop down selection you should see "GRUB with
>>>>> graphical menu", if not; open and change it, in the second "/dev/sda (ATA
>>>>> ST1000DM003-9YN1)", of course your drive id will be different than mine,
>>>>> but similar. The "Delay before booting" is simply how long you want to
>>>>> look at the boot screen before the system boots, default is (10) so you
>>>>> have enough time to choose should you have more than one operating system.
>>>>> The second screen is very important; the first line should read: * linux
>>>>> (/boot/vmlinuz), the second linux-nonfb (/boot/vmlinuz) and the third
>>>>> failsafe (/boot/vmlinuz). If any of these are diferent, click modify and
>>>>> correct them, then close the Control Center and reboot with Cntr Alt Del.
>>>>> Did you install from a CD or a USB drive? If from USB, was the drive still
>>>>> pluged in during reboot? If so, shut the system all the down and remove
>>>>> the drive; them restart the system. Strange glitch when using an iso cd
>>>>> image from a usb drive. Promise to try to get back in a more timely manner.
>>>>> Remember, linux is the perfect operating system.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Greetings from the webrat! Ok, let me recap this event, the
>>> install was from an iso cd, so there is no usb problem; the hardrive was
>>> wiped and clean, so there is no contamination from an old boot manager; the
>>> boot configuration is correct, so there is no freeze from the new boot
>>> manager; the drive was listed in the boot config, so grub has the path.
>>> Since nothing was reconfigured before the update, that only leaves one
>>> thing to do; before your new update, go to the applications menu > software
>>> center > update package sources list, and click; then click "Ok" through
>>> the next four dialog boxes, the synaptic package list update manager will
>>> then run a speed test to see which package download mirror is the fastest
>>> and ask you to select the number of online repositories to keep, the
>>> default is five, and is more than sufficient. After clicking ok on this
>>> one, you will be asked for the administrator (root) password, this will
>>> open synaptic and load the window. Once it is loaded, click the reload
>>> button in the upper left corner; another dialog box will open with two
>>> mirrors selected, I would select the next three also for a total of five.
>>> This gives you all the latest packages to update with. Now run the update,
>>> and if my guess is correct all should be fine. It is true that the more
>>> packages updated the greater the odds of a misconfiguration, but the
>>> programers do a pretty good job of weeding out the bad stuff. My last
>>> update was 264 packages, I'm running apache 2.0 web server with a DHCP
>>> server, a DNS server and an FTP server, so I do a lot of updating for
>>> efficiency, and security. As long as I keep my system clean and use the
>>> freshest packages I don't have to many problems. I thank a synaptic update
>>> before the system update will fix the glitch. Let me know how it comes
>>> out, and if there are any further snags, we will address them, good luck.
>>> Remember; Linux is the perfect operating system!
>>>
>>
> Greetings once more from the WebRat!
> The line "EIP: [<f0844a6e>] wl_cfg80211_detatch+0xl6e/0x180 [wl} ss:esp
> 0068:ec043 cac", in your last post is the update script attempting to
> configure your wireless fidelity, or (wifi) card. Since the ralink or
> realtek 802.11 wireless lan driver borrows the read info from the "Windows"
> driver to run the card, and you are running linux stand alone, there was no
> info to configure, normally the script will exit and continue on without
> it. Fuse init not integrating the 7.16 memory driver left me a bit
> stumped, so I contacted a friend of mine who knows a lot more about these
> things than I. Here is what I learned: Unless you are running open
> servers, or mail servers on your system, you don't really benefit from the
> full auto update, and according to my friend, even so, you are better off
> to go through the list of auto updates before install and pick only the
> ones you really need, the rest is generic baggage. He says that the
> original install of pclos 2011 is perfect for a laptop just the way it is
> and if you do update; only update things you use such as sound players,
> office, games, video drivers that are specific to your card and designed to
> run in linux, and personal programs, photo editing and album storage
> applications, and the like. He says always update security, but look up
> articles on the pclos site and educate yourself about the latest security
> updates and how they function in your system, then install and configure
> accordingly. He says most of those auto updates aren't even needed by the
> standard user, and if one is not prepared to manually configure each one to
> his system, they can actually do more harm than good. I even asked about
> the second return poster who says one mirror is sufficient, and my friend
> agreed. so, I stand corrected on the mirrors. And running the standard
> install after talking to my friend just seems like sound advice to me. In
> fact, I am thinking seriously of planning a project of my own; to move my
> servers to a backup machine and reconfigure my own system according to this
> advice. I would add one more thing. It is a good idea to keep your kernel
> updated, but again, read and ask questions to become educated about the
> procedures and the expected results, always backup your system first and
> always compile the kernel on your own machine so that the machines
> configuration becomes integrated with the new kernel. Good luck, happy
> linux computing, and of course, post back and let us all know how it turns
> out.
>
>
>> Remember; Linux is the perfect operating system!
>>>
>>
>
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That is pretty much what I have been doing while waiting for your reply. Ex=
cept, In order for me to install Office libre, I need to update the system.=
I will look for ways to do it, but everything I've tried I get the s=
ame reply. "system update is required". <div><br></div><div>I had fig=
ured out that it was hanging up on the wifi card, but I couldn't configure =
the network or anything for that matter after the reboot.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I did get Ubuntu to run on here, but can't stand the Unity desk top=
. Had to install Synaptic, (ARE YOU KIDDING ME!) and then install gnome. ev=
erything seems to be working. with a little fiddling of the WIFI driver.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>I have not forgot about PCLOS. As soon as I get my s=
pare back I will be installing KDE on it. Then I can fiddle around with it =
like a little kid in a candy store.</div><div><br></div><div>I want to than=
k you and whomever else helped me out here, and PCLinuxOS seems to be aweso=
me.<br><br>On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:32:39 PM UTC-5, WebRat wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42=
:28 AM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Every=
thing you said was the process I went thru except, I was not offered to pic=
k synaptic mirrors. <br>The last package synaptic was working on was a USB =
update?<br>I don't think that ever finished when the screen went blank. Tri=
ed to reboot and this was the last line:<br><br>EIP: [<f0844a6e>] wl_=
cfg80211_detatch+0xl6e/<wbr>0x180 [wl} ss:esp 0068:ec043 cac<br><br>Then I =
tried to reboot in safe mode and it stopped here:<br>(these are the last tw=
o lines)<br><br>fuse init (API version 7.16)<br>non volatile memory driver =
V1.3<br><br>I then pushed the power button to re-install the pclos iso disk=
and it rebooted to the log-in screen. I logged in got the desktop but noth=
ing worked. Tried to reboot a couple times but got the same.<br><br>Now I h=
ave reinstalled the kde iso, and everything works. (without synaptic update=
). <br><br>On Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, webrat wrote:<block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:06:4=
4 PM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The tim=
e lag between posts is not a problem, for you can see I'm right on the ball=
too. My son is using one of my extras in the meantime. <br>All the i=
nfo in the boot menu matches, except of course for the Toshiba hard drive. =
the first crash was when i tried to update the system with symantic. After =
the update the system rebooted and crashed. I had read over and over that i=
nstalling too many update can crash your system. But that would mean you co=
uld only install a pclos right around the release date. Which doesn't=
make a lot of sense to me. I used an ISO disk to do the initial install.<b=
r>I will update again with synaptic (should be about 188 packets). and if i=
t crashes I will make note of what it's doing.<br><br>On Friday, July 20, 2=
012 8:49:56 PM UTC-5, webrat wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><br><br>On Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:11:02 PM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It went into the reboot. but stopped hal=
f way through and gave me a flashing cursor. after seeing this your going t=
o need to know where it stopped, or the last line of what it was trying to =
do. I can answer this if I do another synaptic update and see if it crashes=
again. Let me know everything I'll need to report before I crash this agai=
n please.<br><br>On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:16:46 PM UTC-5, webrat wrote:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In your initial posting you don't s=
ay if it is synaptic that crashes or the whole system, of course I am assum=
ing you are referring to the whole system, in which case I must ask, <=
br><br>On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:54:52 PM UTC-4, LinuxnooB wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Guess not! Are there packages i can block d=
uring the update?<br><br><div>?</div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote=
><div>Hello, sorry it took so long to get back. weird work hours, yes=
I would like to know what the last line said and also if any daemons faile=
d to start. Here is something you can check on before crashing it aga=
in. while it is running, open the Control Center and go to "Boot", in=
the first screen you should see two (2) drop down selection menus and thre=
e text fields. In the first drop down selection you should see "GRUB =
with graphical menu", if not; open and change it, in the second "/dev/sda (=
ATA ST1000DM003-9YN1)", of course your drive id will be different than mine=
, but similar. The "Delay before booting" is simply how long you want=
to look at the boot screen before the system boots, default is (10) so you=
have enough time to choose should you have more than one operating system.=
The second screen is very important; the first line should read:&nbs=
p; * linux (/boot/vmlinuz), the second linux-nonfb (/boot/vmlinuz) and the =
third failsafe (/boot/vmlinuz). If any of these are diferent, click m=
odify and correct them, then close the Control Center and reboot with Cntr =
Alt Del. Did you install from a CD or a USB drive? If from USB,=
was the drive still pluged in during reboot? If so, shut the system =
all the down and remove the drive; them restart the system. Strange g=
litch when using an iso cd image from a usb drive. Promise to try to =
get back in a more timely manner.<br>Remember, linux is the perfect operati=
ng system.<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div> =
<br> Greetings from the we=
brat! Ok, let me recap this event, the install was from an iso cd, so=
there is no usb problem; the hardrive was wiped and clean, so there is no =
contamination from an old boot manager; the boot configuration is correct, =
so there is no freeze from the new boot manager; the drive was listed in th=
e boot config, so grub has the path. Since nothing was reconfigured b=
efore the update, that only leaves one thing to do; before your new update,=
go to the applications menu > software center > update package sourc=
es list, and click; then click "Ok" through the next four dialog boxes, the=
synaptic package list update manager will then run a speed test to see whi=
ch package download mirror is the fastest and ask you to select the number =
of online repositories to keep, the default is five, and is more than suffi=
cient. After clicking ok on this one, you will be asked for the admin=
istrator (root) password, this will open synaptic and load the window. =
; Once it is loaded, click the reload button in the upper left corner; anot=
her dialog box will open with two mirrors selected, I would select the next=
three also for a total of five. This gives you all the latest packag=
es to update with. Now run the update, and if my guess is correct all=
should be fine. It is true that the more packages updated the greate=
r the odds of a misconfiguration, but the programers do a pretty good job o=
f weeding out the bad stuff. My last update was 264 packages, I'm run=
ning apache 2.0 web server with a DHCP server, a DNS server and an FTP serv=
er, so I do a lot of updating for efficiency, and security. As long a=
s I keep my system clean and use the freshest packages I don't have to many=
problems. I thank a synaptic update before the system update will fi=
x the glitch. Let me know how it comes out, and if there are any furt=
her snags, we will address them, good luck.<br>Remember; Linux is the perfe=
ct operating system! <br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><br>Greetings=
once more from the WebRat!<br> The line "EIP: [<f0844a6e>] wl_c=
fg80211_detatch+0xl6e/<wbr>0x180 [wl} ss:esp 0068:ec043 cac", in your last =
post is the update script attempting to configure your wireless fidelity, o=
r (wifi) card. Since the ralink or realtek 802.11 wireless lan driver=
borrows the read info from the "Windows" driver to run the card, and you a=
re running linux stand alone, there was no info to configure, normally the =
script will exit and continue on without it. Fuse init not integratin=
g the 7.16 memory driver left me a bit stumped, so I contacted a friend of =
mine who knows a lot more about these things than I. Here is what I l=
earned: Unless you are running open servers, or mail servers on your =
system, you don't really benefit from the full auto update, and according t=
o my friend, even so, you are better off to go through the list of auto upd=
ates before install and pick only the ones you really need, the rest is gen=
eric baggage. He says that the original install of pclos 2011 is perf=
ect for a laptop just the way it is and if you do update; only update thing=
s you use such as sound players, office, games, video drivers that are spec=
ific to your card and designed to run in linux, and personal programs, phot=
o editing and album storage applications, and the like. He says alway=
s update security, but look up articles on the pclos site and educate yours=
elf about the latest security updates and how they function in your system,=
then install and configure accordingly. He says most of those auto u=
pdates aren't even needed by the standard user, and if one is not prepared =
to manually configure each one to his system, they can actually do more har=
m than good. I even asked about the second return poster who says one=
mirror is sufficient, and my friend agreed. so, I stand corrected on=
the mirrors. And running the standard install after talking to my fr=
iend just seems like sound advice to me. In fact, I am thinking serio=
usly of planning a project of my own; to move my servers to a backup machin=
e and reconfigure my own system according to this advice. I would add=
one more thing. It is a good idea to keep your kernel updated, but a=
gain, read and ask questions to become educated about the procedures and th=
e expected results, always backup your system first and always compile the =
kernel on your own machine so that the machines configuration becomes integ=
rated with the new kernel. Good luck, happy linux computing, and of c=
ourse, post back and let us all know how it turns out.<br> <br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div>Remember; Linux is the perfect operating system!</div></blockquote=
></blockquote><div> </div></blockquote></div>
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