[PANTUGGeneral] How to fix INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
JP Vossen
Naturally I got:
STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF741B84C,0xC0000034,0x00000000,0x00000000)
INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
(Note this almost certainly would have Just Worked under Linux. :)
I tried to do a fast repair using a W2K Pro SP2 install CD but it
couldn't even find the Windows installation. This is odd, because
Ubuntu found it just fine and I was able to copy all the data off...
And that PC previously had a W2K Pro install on it just fine.
I found these refs:
http://www.biermann.org/philipp/STOP_0x0000007B/
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314082
I can put another drive in, install Windows, and do all that junk, but
it'll take a while (P3, very slow CD player). Are there any other
solutions?
I'll be getting her a new PC in a few months, and it'll run Ubuntu with
her W2K install in VMware so I won't have this crap again, but in the
meantime...
Thanks,
JP
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Brad
controller/chipset.
If the original system was working, I would do this:
Take an IDE card, install it in a slot but don't plug in any drives
Boot to Windows, and let it recognize it and install drivers for
this temporary card
Put the card in the new system with the hard drive attached to it
and boot to that drive
Let Windows boot, install any mobo drivers, etc, especially the mobo
IDE controller drivers
Move the hard drive to the mobo IDE controller, it should boot OK
since it now knows about that controller
But since it's a dead board, that clean way is out of the question.
Maybe try Safe Mode and see if it gets anywhere, then try to install mobo
IDE controller/chipset drivers
Other that that, stick with the VMWare solution, actually that might be more
stable :)
Or upgrade it to Windows ME v2, I mean Vista [retch]
Brad
JP Vossen
> It means Windows doesn't know how to talk to the mobo's IDE
> controller/chipset.
Yeah, that's what I figured too.
> If the original system was working, I would do this:
>
> Take an IDE card, install it in a slot but don't plug in any drives
> Boot to Windows, and let it recognize it and install drivers for
> this temporary card
> Put the card in the new system with the hard drive attached to it
> and boot to that drive
> Let Windows boot, install any mobo drivers, etc, especially the mobo
> IDE controller drivers
> Move the hard drive to the mobo IDE controller, it should boot OK
> since it now knows about that controller
>
> But since it's a dead board, that clean way is out of the question.
I *like* that method. It may be possible to bring the original back to
life, which renders the issue moot anyway. I have 3 of the same system,
but now 2 of them died the same way
(http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=668658) and I'm afraid to
turn the 3rd off as I still need it.
> Maybe try Safe Mode and see if it gets anywhere, then try to install mobo
> IDE controller/chipset drivers
Sorry, forgot to mention I tried that = nada.
> Other that that, stick with the VMWare solution, actually that might be more
> stable :)
Not quite ready to go there yet, hardware-wise.
> Or upgrade it to Windows ME v2, I mean Vista [retch]
NO CHANCE! :-)
Brad
This method is good for any time you need to move a Windows install to new
hardware where the drive controller is too new/weird for Windows to
recognize. I've used a variation of this to get Windows onto SCSI or RAID
controllers after a basic IDE install. The whole point is to have Windows
in a state where controller drivers can be installed. Windows isn't too
picky about where it boots from once it knows how to talk to it. The other
drive letter assignments might wander around, but if Windows has C: set for
its boot drive it usually figgers things out.
You could try hot-plugging an IDE card into the working system, I'm SURE it
won't complain or start a fire :) :) Maybe it's pop a capacitor.
What is the model of the IBM Netfinity? I might have one similar lying
around or have access to one. Except I'm at the shore for a week and
wouldn't be able to look until I'm back.
Brad
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David Dows
I recently had a similar situation. A client who relied upon his PC, every day of the week, for his catering business, needed his working installation moved to another PC immediately, including a VPN configuration that had taken ages for his employer's IT person to get working properly. He worked form home in South Philly 2 days a week plus weekends and in the Malvern office the other 3.
Using Acronis True Image Workstation v9.1.xxxx with Universal Restore, I connected his drive to another PC and made a backup image. I also downloaded a freeware driver backup program to harvest all of the necessary drivers with installation files from a working installation on the target PC. Restored his image to a new drive in the target PC, using the Universal Restore capability of Acronis True Image and the archive of drivers needed for the target PC.
Both PCs had been running Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005. The Workstation edition and the Universal Restore add-on, not for the Home version, is supported on Windows 2000 SP4 as well as XP SP2, XP x64 and Vista.
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Received: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:00:43 AM EDT
From: JP Vossen <j...@jpsdomain.org>
To: PANT <PANTUG...@pantug.org>
Subject: [PANTUGGeneral] How to fix INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
My Aunt's PC motherboard died, so I swapped the drive into another PC.
Naturally I got:
STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF741B84C,0xC0000034,0x00000000,0x00000000)
INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
(Note this almost certainly would have Just Worked under Linux. :)
I tried to do a fast repair using a W2K Pro SP2 install CD but it
couldn't even find the Windows installation. This is odd, because
Ubuntu found it just fine and I was able to copy all the data off...
And that PC previously had a W2K Pro install on it just fine.
I found these refs:
http://www.biermann.org/philipp/STOP_0x0000007B/
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314082
I can put another drive in, install Windows, and do all that junk, but
it'll take a while (P3, very slow CD player). Are there any other
solutions?
I'll be getting her a new PC in a few months, and it'll run Ubuntu with
her W2K install in VMware so I won't have this crap again, but in the
meantime...
Thanks,
JP
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JP Vossen
> What is the model of the IBM Netfinity? I might have one similar lying
> around or have access to one. Except I'm at the shore for a week and
> wouldn't be able to look until I'm back.
Not a Netfinity, an Intellistation P3 desktop. I'll try replacing the
bad parts next, I guess. I tried to get the parts at Radio Shack but
they didn't have the right ones (what a shock). So I ordered
replacement 560uf25V Electrolytic Capacitors from http://www.mouser.com/.
I have 3 of the same PC. I tried swapping into one and it died the same
way. Given the notes I found on the web about the problem, I'm kind of
surprised they lasted this long. I need the other one right now so I'm
afraid to power it off. :-)
Funny story, I got them because a place I used to work a long time ago
ordered 500 of them *before* the customer signed off on the project,
then the customer backed off. So they got stuck with 500 of these units
just sitting there <snicker>. They sent email to employees asking them
to make an offer to buy them. I offered what I was willing to pay and
got back a slightly snotty "they are worth much more than that" message.
A few months later they sent another email offering to sell them for
about my price. I bought 5 (2 went to other people)...
Thanks for the offer though!
Brad
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Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:33 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: Re: [PANTUGGeneral] How to fix INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
Brad
See if the ones you gave to other people are still in use - I'd bet they're
collecting dust in a closet somewhere....
Is that company still around?
There's a store in West Chester called Second Source that deals with used
PCs, or there a place on Markley St in Norristown that has a lot of old PC
junk, my uncle-in-law was telling me about it this morning, I can find out
the name. All he told me was "across from the old box factory" which tells
me oh-so-much.
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Subject: Re: [PANTUGGeneral] How to fix INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
JP Vossen
> See if the ones you gave to other people are still in use - I'd bet they're
> collecting dust in a closet somewhere....
Doh. I forget who it was.
> Is that company still around?
Under a different name and different management.
> There's a store in West Chester called Second Source that deals with used
> PCs, or there a place on Markley St in Norristown that has a lot of old PC
> junk, my uncle-in-law was telling me about it this morning, I can find out
> the name. All he told me was "across from the old box factory" which tells
> me oh-so-much.
Interesting. I've ordered the parts and will swap them in when they get
here and see how it goes. I've also installed more-or-less the same
Windows onto a spare hard drive in the other machine, so if the parts
fail I can try the http://www.biermann.org/philipp/STOP_0x0000007B/
approach.
Thanks,
David Dows
Actually there are a slew of them,
Driver Max http://www.innovative-sol.com/,
Driver Genius http://www.driver-soft.com/,
Driver Magic http://www.rubymicro.co.za/,
Driver Magician http://www.drivermagician.com/,
and WinDriversBackup from Jermar Software
http://www.aplusfreeware.com/categories/util/backup.html,
which is the last free version of the commercial
DriverGuide Toolkit http://www.driverguidetoolkit.com/,
but I used MyDrivers from Huntersoft
http://www.zhangduo.com/driverbackup.html
The best part of the process, though, is that the bootable Linux disc, which Acronis creates (with the Universal Restore capability), allows you to mount the drive and install the necessary Windows drivers before you even boot into Windows.
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From: "Brad" <br...@stear.com>
To: <PANTUG...@pantug.org>
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] How to fix INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
Sweet! What's the name/linkto for that driver backup program? I'd love to be able to extract driver installs from mystery systems.
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:33 PM
Thanks,
JP
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Jim DeCaro
It is in an old warehouse next to a storage company and a car glass place. It is not too far away from the last SEPTA train stop in Norristown. On the left a couple blocks before you get to the Mexican grocery store when headed towards 202. Nice part of town. Bring your ouzi. Not sure if it is on the right side of the tracks or if there really is a right side down there.
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Brad
I have two laptops that have fresh, stable WinXP installs from scratch.
After I've joined them to my SBS2003 domain using either the built-in wizard
or manually joined, I now get this message when I hit the drop-down on the
login screen:
"please wait while the domain list is created "
It hangs there for a very long time. Googling it, I found that I can
three-finger salute a few times and make it go away to log in locally, but
it comes back whenever I hit the domain drop-down.
I also can't log in using my valid domain acct that I did do while
hard-wired to the network, so it doesn't seem to be caching my credentials.
I found some useful leads on Google, mostly related to the DNS server
settings, but I don't have physical access to this network for a few days to
test them.
Just wondering if anyone out there has seen this before.
Thanks,
Brad
Jim DeCaro
I saw it plenty of times before. May be a combination of 2 factors-
Check your cable connections and network speed etc. and make sure they match exactly. Even if you have a 100Mbps network, sometimes you can't set 1 card to manual 100 and another card to auto on the same domain. Also check your dhcp scope.
Once you are sure your network connections are good, remove each machine from the domain and set them up in a workgroup. Be sure to reboot during this process. Then rejoin them to the domain--rebooting again.
Should be good after that.
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Brad
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Drew Lehman
domain controller for the domain. If the DC is on the same subnet,
enabling netbios may help. Make sure the DCs are registered in the DNS
and the client points to the Windows AD enabled DNS server.
Jim DeCaro
Basically that the correct dns settings etc are getting transmitted to the clients in the same way. If they are, then check the network cards on the problem clients. Also, make sure the leases are not running out on you.
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Ted Locke
How many machines and user accounts do you have in your domain? I noticed you stated that you are using SBS2003. There are set numbers of users (I think it is 75) and I am not sure if machines affect this.
This may be a goose chase, but it is easy to look for, check the date and time on your server and compare it with your new machines. If the times are off by a few days this will cause issues in connecting to the domain.
Thanks
Ted Locke, MCSA, MCP, Network+, A+
IT Manager
Solomon Edwards Group
King of Prussia, PA
Work: 610-902-0440 x233
Direct: 484-581-2726
Cell: 215-939-4791
Stear, Brad
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Ted Locke
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:45 AM
JP Vossen
>
> I'll check on the time settings, I'm going there tonight to fiddle with
> it.
You guys are almost certainly already aware of this, but just in case...
There are basic basic ways to set time on W2K or XP workstations (I
assume Vista is similar but don't know):
1) The "Windows Time Service" (AKA SNTP) via the "net time" command
2) The "net time" command
3) Some third-party NTP client (there are also ones that aren't NTP,
don't use those--NTP is the standard)
These days I use 1 and/or 2, so I can't comment about what's around for #3.
Using #1 or #2 is similar. The batch file below (or at
http://www.jpsdomain.org/networking/time.html) does both, you can put it
in a Startup group or call it (or include the code) in a login script.
It's overkill for #1 since once you set it, it should stay set (but hey,
this is Windows we're talking about :). You can find out how it's set
via /QUERYSNTP. You may have to use an xDC (or whatever the AD version
is) as the "time source" or it may just need to have the Windows time
service running, I forget.
You can walk up to a machine, fire up a DOS prompt, and type something
like this to sync time right then and there:
net time \\server_name_or_IP /set /yes
----- Begin batch ----
@echo off
REM Win2k-SNTP.bat -- Set Win2K SNTP service
REM v1.0 25-May-2001 JP Vossen
REM v1.1 22-Jun-2001 JPV Changed to use local/home NTP time source only
REM v1.2 23-Aug-2007 JPV Trivial format and comment tweaks
rem NOTE: The Win2K "Windows Time" service is manual by default,
rem so you have to set it to automatic and start it.
rem Also, it will attempt to use all specified time sources and get an
rem "average" so only specify servers that will be available at all
rem times. Do not use the list as a set of sequential "fail-over"
rem servers (as I did in v1.0 of this).
rem See also net time /querysntp
rem NET TIME /SETSNTP:"192.168.1.5 172.16.12.1 192.5.41.40 192.5.41.41"
NET TIME /SETSNTP:"192.168.1.5"
REM Set (sync) the time right now, no matter what
net time \\192.168.1.5 /set /yes
----- End batch ----
----- Begin help (run from an XP2 machine) ----
C:\> net time /?
The syntax of this command is:
NET TIME
[\\computername | /DOMAIN[:domainname] | /RTSDOMAIN[:domainname]] [/SET]
[\\computername] /QUERYSNTP
[\\computername] /SETSNTP[:ntp server list]
C:\> net time /querysntp
The current SNTP value is: foobar.jpsdomain.org
The command completed successfully.
----- End help ----
There is also some related info at:
>>> http://www.jpsdomain.org/networking/time.html
http://www.jpsdomain.org/networking/TimeSync.xls
http://www.jpsdomain.org/windows/winshell.html#date.
Hope this is useful,
JP
PS--No, I don't have a "thing" about time. Who said that? :-)
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Dave Dows
On the "Internet" tab, I have already set Windows to use us.pool.ntp.org, so I just click the button to
"Update Now", but I already have a checkmark in the box, to "Automatically synchronize with an internet
time server: us.pool.ntp.org -- so I really never need to manually to do that for any "connected" system.
On Vista, the "Internet" tab has a "Change Settings" button, which invokes the UAC request for permission.
After that, it's the same as above... Update Now... Automatically synchronize... us.pool.ntp.org... etc.
JP Vossen
> On XP or W2K, I right-click on the time in the system tray and select "Adjust Date/Time".
>
> On the "Internet" tab, I have already set Windows to use us.pool.ntp.org, so I just click the button to
> "Update Now", but I already have a checkmark in the box, to "Automatically synchronize with an internet
> time server: us.pool.ntp.org -- so I really never need to manually to do that for any "connected" system.
>
> On Vista, the "Internet" tab has a "Change Settings" button, which invokes the UAC request for permission.
> After that, it's the same as above... Update Now... Automatically synchronize... us.pool.ntp.org... etc.
Interesting! I don't have an "Internet" tab in there on either my W2K
or XP2 machines (yes, "Windows Time" is started)...
Are you sure you're not thinking of Ubuntu <ducks>? Because that's
*exactly* how it works there (except no tabs, it all 1 dialog box)...
Later,
JP
Paul B.Toms
you're not in a domain. If you're a member of a domain, you have to
sync with the DC, internet isn't an option. At least, I think that's
how it works.
On a side note, I have a user here who uses the calendar/clock to
check dates and stuff (don't know why she doesn't look at the Outlook
calendar, but anyway). Apparently she occasionally clicks on various
dates as she's trying to figure out when to schedule stuff, and once in
a while hits "OK" instead of "Cancel". Then Windows pitches a fit
because her date and time don't match the domain date and time, and it
shuts down her access. I just told her she was locked out because they
were about to fire her and didn't want her stealing files on her way
out...
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Drew Lehman
JP Vossen
> Are your 2k/XP machines in a domain? You only get the internet tab if
XP2 is in a domain for work, W2K is in a Workgroup for home.
> you're not in a domain. If you're a member of a domain, you have to
> sync with the DC, internet isn't an option. At least, I think that's
> how it works.
>
> On a side note, I have a user here who uses the calendar/clock to
> check dates and stuff (don't know why she doesn't look at the Outlook
> calendar, but anyway). Apparently she occasionally clicks on various
> dates as she's trying to figure out when to schedule stuff, and once in
> a while hits "OK" instead of "Cancel". Then Windows pitches a fit
> because her date and time don't match the domain date and time, and it
> shuts down her access. I just told her she was locked out because they
> were about to fire her and didn't want her stealing files on her way
> out...
Nice.
JP Vossen
>> Interesting! I don't have an "Internet" tab in there on either my W2K
>> or XP2 machines (yes, "Windows Time" is started)...
Drew Lehman wrote:
> You have to have PRo version SP2.
Huh?!? What pro version of what SP2 for what OS? I have the same deal
on W2K Pro SP4 + Updates and XP2.
Jim DeCaro
As fate would have it, I ran into a domain list freeze problem on a new laptop today on trying to join it to the domain. Taking my own advice (which sometimes works) I checked around and noticed that the CAT 5 cable was a bit old and seemed loose. However this cable allowed data transfers, log ins, internet access, pings etc. I had a factory patch cable with me which I plugged in, and voila. The laptop was added immediately. Not sure why the protocols are so sensitive to this, I am guessing it may be the application of Kerberos tokens that is so finicky. Anyway, once the laptop was authenticated, I switched back to the old cable and had no more problems.
Also, I have noticed the same behavior if a machine is connected to the domain that has the same name as another machine on the domain. AD will appear to join the machine to the domain but will freeze the domain list on reboot.
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That is evil
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David Dows
I agree. It's beautiful!!!
David Dows
Pro verson of XP with SP2; there is no XP2, it's XP/SP2.
I only have W2K running at the office, but I'm pretty sure it's the same as XP, when not joined to a domain. XP looks a lot like the attached snips from Vista, except that it's all in one dialog. Vista separates it, because you're allowed to see Date and Time before the UAC prompt that enables access to Internet Time.
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From: JP Vossen <j...@jpsdomain.org>
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: Re: [PANTUGGeneral] Trivial Windows Time Sync
> JP Vossen wrote:
>> Interesting! I don't have an "Internet" tab in there on either my W2K
>> or XP2 machines (yes, "Windows Time" is started)...
Drew Lehman wrote:
> You have to have PRo version SP2.
Huh?!? What pro version of what SP2 for what OS? I have the same deal
on W2K Pro SP4 + Updates and XP2.
Later,
JP
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> Pro verson of XP with SP2; there is no XP2, it's XP/SP2.
Picky, picky. I call "XP/SP2" XP2 since that's what it feels like to
me. :-) I have "Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]" and IIRC
pre-SP2 is 5.0. So if they say XP == 5.0, then I can say XP2 == 5.1.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
> I only have W2K running at the office, but I'm pretty sure it's the same as XP,
> when not joined to a domain. XP looks a lot like the attached snips from Vista,
> except that it's all in one dialog. Vista separates it, because you're allowed
> to see Date and Time before the UAC prompt that enables access to Internet Time.
I still get the really old box with [Date & Time][Time Zone] tabs and
that's it. Not like your screen shots. I would not be at all surprised
to find out that something I have locked down or disabled--which should
be totally unrelated--is the cause.
I also don't care. We've gotten a bit off the original topic, which
hopefully Brad will get figured out. I'm happy to goof around with
this, but no one should waste any time "solving" this non-issue.
Stear, Brad
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Jim DeCaro
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:46 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] Strange XP domain logon message
As fate would have it, I ran into a domain list freeze problem on a new laptop today on trying to join it to the domain. Taking my own advice (which sometimes works) I checked around and noticed that the CAT 5 cable was a bit old and seemed loose. However this cable allowed data transfers, log ins, internet access, pings etc. I had a factory patch cable with me which I plugged in, and voila. The laptop was added immediately. Not sure why the protocols are so sensitive to this, I am guessing it may be the application of Kerberos tokens that is so finicky. Anyway, once the laptop was authenticated, I switched back to the old cable and had no more problems.
Also, I have noticed the same behavior if a machine is connected to the domain that has the same name as another machine on the domain. AD will appear to join the machine to the domain but will freeze the domain list on reboot.
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Stear, Brad
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:05
AM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] Strange XP domain logon message
I have about 15 machines and 20-ish users, so I'm well below the 75-user cap on SBS.
I'll check on the time settings, I'm going there tonight to fiddle with it.
Thanks,
Brad
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Ted Locke
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:45
AM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] Strange XP domain logon message
How many machines and user accounts do you have in your domain? I noticed you stated that you are using SBS2003. There are set numbers of users (I think it is 75) and I am not sure if machines affect this.
This may be a goose chase, but it is easy to look for, check the date and time on your server and compare it with your new machines. If the times are off by a few days this will cause issues in connecting to the domain.
Thanks
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From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Jim DeCaro
Sent:
Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:37 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] Strange XP domain logon message
Basically that the correct dns settings etc are getting transmitted to the clients in the same way. If they are, then check the network cards on the problem clients. Also, make sure the leases are not running out on you.
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Brad
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:51
PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] Strange XP domain logon message
Anything particular about the DHCP scope to look at?
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Jim DeCaro
Sent:
Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:17 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: RE: [PANTUGGeneral] Strange XP domain logon message
I saw it plenty of times before. May be a combination of 2 factors-
Check your cable connections and network speed etc. and make sure they match exactly. Even if you have a 100Mbps network, sometimes you can't set 1 card to manual 100 and another card to auto on the same domain. Also check your dhcp scope.
Once you are sure your network connections are good, remove each machine from the domain and set them up in a workgroup. Be sure to reboot during this process. Then rejoin them to the domain--rebooting again.
Should be good after that.
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From: dle...@pantug.org
[mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of Brad
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007
8:43 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: [PANTUGGeneral]
Strange XP domain logon message
I have two laptops that have fresh, stable WinXP installs from scratch.
After I've joined them to my SBS2003 domain using either the built-in wizard
or manually joined, I now get this message when I hit the drop-down on the
login screen:
"please wait while the domain list is created "
It hangs there for a very long time. Googling it, I found that I can
three-finger salute a few times and make it go away to log in locally, but
it comes back whenever I hit the domain drop-down.
I also can't log in using my valid domain acct that I did do while
hard-wired to the network, so it doesn't seem to be caching my credentials.
I found some useful leads on Google, mostly related to the DNS server
settings, but I don't have physical access to this network for a few days to
test them.
Just wondering if anyone out there has seen this before.
Thanks,
Brad
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Stear, Brad
So we have XP2 and WindowsME v2 (Vista). <grin>
I thought this was a new topic about Time, and quite useful; my original
thread is still alive and producing great advice.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of JP
Vossen
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:05 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
Subject: Re: [PANTUGGeneral] Trivial Windows Time Sync
Brad
From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of David Dows
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:41 PM
JP Vossen
>
> Not a Netfinity, an Intellistation P3 desktop. I'll try replacing the
> bad parts next, I guess. I tried to get the parts at Radio Shack but
> they didn't have the right ones (what a shock). So I ordered
> replacement 560uf25V Electrolytic Capacitors from http://www.mouser.com/.
I replaced all 9 (3 cap x 3 PC) capacitors and the 2 PCs I've tried so
far work fine again. In particular, since my Aunt's hard drive is back
in its original home, no more IDE driver problems. Now if WindowsUpdate
would ever finish, we'd been in good shape...
Aside from the fact that they took *forever* to ship the parts (ordered
2007-02-12, arrived 2007-08-23), I'm pretty happy with Mousers.
FYI to resolve this thread, and thanks for the help,
Brad
Cool!
Now would be the time to get some other IDE drivers installed in this copy
of Windows for future transferring purposes. And an image backup of the
partition.
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From: dle...@pantug.org [mailto:dle...@pantug.org] On Behalf Of JP Vossen
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:25 PM
To: PANTUG...@pantug.org
JP Vossen
> Cool!
>
> Now would be the time to get some other IDE drivers installed in this copy
> of Windows for future transferring purposes. And an image backup of the
> partition.
Good point! I think I will use VMware Converter to copy it into a VM.
That's where it's going to end up eventually, though at that time I will
use a newer W2K install (this one is older and getting crufty anyway).
Thanks for the reminder,