About the swf player of pandaboard.

[forrest]

Hi all,

I need to play flash on pandaboard 's browser.
And I can not find a perfect plugin for it.
The gtk-gnash takes lots of CPU rate，
which makes other media-decode process can not work stably.

Where can I get Adobe Flash for pandaboard's Ubuntu system?
Can anyone give me some suggestion about this.

PS:
My h/w :pandaboard REV A2
My system: ubuntu 11.10 with the last path ,and omap4-addon

Regards !

forrest
April 25th

[Dan MacDonald]

+1

I'll be trying this soon too so I'd also like to know what the latest/best official Flash plugin available for OMAP is.

My housemate has an N900 and apparently Maemo 5 comes complete with the OMAP Flash 9.4 plugin so I should be able to copy that off his phone and I expect that should work under a Panda armel distro but what can those who don't have access to a N900 do? I would presume its OS is available for download on the Nokia site somewhere so maybe we can extract it from there?

Is this (Flash 9.4) the latest and greatest release of official flash for OMAP? I'm presuming that armhf users are totally out of luck for getting an official flash plugin as I understand Adobe have released the last flash plugin for Linux and from now on it will only issue bug fix releases for 11.2 for a short while otherwise Intel Linux users will have to use Chrome if they want a newer flash version and AFAIK there is no OMAP/ARM build of Chrome for X11, only for Android. Chromium is available for OMAP/X11 of course but that lacks the Flash and H264/ video codec support present in Chrome.

[Vladimir Pantelic]

On 04/25/2012 10:32 AM, forrest wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I need to play flash on pandaboard 's browser.
> And I can not find a perfect plugin for it.
> The gtk-gnash takes lots of CPU rate，
> which makes other media-decode process can not work stably.
>
> Where can I get Adobe Flash for pandaboard's Ubuntu system?
> Can anyone give me some suggestion about this.

simple answer: you can't

complex answer: Adobe does not supply a Linux arm flash
binary, in fact they have stopped all support for mobile
and for Linux in general (except Flash-embedded-in-Chrome)

You can go to Adobe and license Flash from them and "port"
it to Linux ARM yourself and then pay a ton of money to
get it certified - been there, done that, it's no fun at all.

I would suggest your rethink your "need" for flash.

[Vladimir Pantelic]

On 04/25/2012 04:59 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote:
> +1
>
> I'll be trying this soon too so I'd also like to know what the
> latest/best official Flash plugin available for OMAP is.
>
> My housemate has an N900 and apparently Maemo 5 comes complete with the
> OMAP Flash 9.4 plugin so I should be able to copy that off his phone and
> I expect that should work under a Panda armel distro but what can those
> who don't have access to a N900 do? I would presume its OS is available
> for download on the Nokia site somewhere so maybe we can extract it from
> there?
>
> Is this (Flash 9.4) the latest and greatest release of official flash
> for OMAP?

this is *not* an official release from Adobe, it is Flash licensed,
ported and certified by Nokia to be used on their phones.

> I'm presuming that armhf users are totally out of luck for
> getting an official flash plugin as I understand Adobe have released the
> last flash plugin for Linux and from now on it will only issue bug fix
> releases for 11.2 for a short while otherwise Intel Linux users will
> have to use Chrome if they want a newer flash version and AFAIK there is
> no OMAP/ARM build of Chrome for X11, only for Android. Chromium is
> available for OMAP/X11 of course but that lacks the Flash and H264/
> video codec support present in Chrome.

Again in short: No flash for panda.

One could of course take the Nokia plugin and wrap it in enough wrapper
libs to make it run on Ubuntu on Panda, even armhf could be wrapped with
enough effort...

[Tom Mitchell]

Given the "interesting" things some folk are doing with flash
the advice to rethink flash is good advice. Further the lack of
interest by Adobe makes it clear that any product you might
craft based on cross loading flash from one vendor's device
to your project is not sustainable.

The HTML5 effort does bring some alternate solutions to
the table. Most should show up one way or another
in an Android source down load. Software patents do tangle
this so look hard at open source solutions where you can
own your own destiny as much as possible.

Gnash is a media player for playing SWF files and if you
test and restrain yourself to what works you should get
a lot of miles out of it.

Also early Android versions did not take advantage of
hardware graphics in some interesting hardware cases.
Hardware vendors are helping so this gap will close
as interest and productive bug reports surface.

Keep a couple SD flash cards handy and test,
test, test.....

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Vladimir Pantelic <vlad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/25/2012 10:32 AM, forrest wrote:
>>
>> I need to play flash on pandaboard 's browser.

......

>
> simple answer: you can't

.....

> I would suggest your rethink your "need" for flash.
>

--
  T o m   M i t c h e l l

[Dan MacDonald]

Again in short: No flash for panda.

One could of course take the Nokia plugin and wrap it in enough wrapper
libs to make it run on Ubuntu on Panda, even armhf could be wrapped with
enough effort...

I'm well aware there is no 'official Adobe' flash player for Panda but ndec has publicly stated on here that he has got such a plugin working on the Panda- not only that but with ducati video accel too! What he neglected to mention is where he obtained his plugin from hence my query. I doubt ndec is bullshitting us and you can't say he doesn't know what he's talking about!

I detest Flash as much as the next free software advocate but its still sadly a necessary evil if you want to watch streamed vids (and access other Flash material) on the internet without downloading them first.

Gnash still isn't ready. On the Panda, playing back SD vids via gnash is very jerky when 'windowed' and totally unusable/watchable if you go full screen. webm? Forget about it! Just doesn't work under FF or chromium (on Panda at least, in my  testing)

I really want to see HTML5/CSS3/webm/ogg etc replace Flash but sadly this isn't possible yet and as ever its mainly because of MS dragging their heels. They made a big noise about IE 9 (which is sadly won't run on XP and earlier OSs) being standards (HTML5) compliant but that turned out to be marketing bull as it cannot play HTML5/CSS3 animations as produced by the likes of Sencha Animator (the only valid Linux alternative to Flash Pro I'm aware of) and Adobe Edge. This is promised for IE 10 but the fact that HTML 5/CSS3 anims/apps don't work under IE yet is greatly crippling adoption of open web standards. Who (except FOSS die-hards like us maybe) wants a site that won't work under the most popular browser?

For all the above reasons, Flash on Panda is still very much needed for a complete and satisfactory web experience.

ndec?

[Nicolas Dechesne]

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Dan MacDonald <all...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Again in short: No flash for panda.
>>
>>
>> One could of course take the Nokia plugin and wrap it in enough wrapper
>> libs to make it run on Ubuntu on Panda, even armhf could be wrapped with
>> enough effort...

well, one problem is that many APIs have changed since N900 times...
especially in the GFX and MM areas which are deeply involved in
Flash.. so i doubt you would go anywhere with such a wrapper.

>
>
>
> I'm well aware there is no 'official Adobe' flash player for Panda but ndec
> has publicly stated on here that he has got such a plugin working on the
> Panda- not only that but with ducati video accel too! What he neglected to
> mention is where he obtained his plugin from hence my query.

iirc, i must have said that Flash plugin was developed for actual OMAP
products (using X11). The port to OMAP was done starting with Adobe
ARM Linux Flash.

> I doubt ndec is
> bullshitting us and you can't say he doesn't know what he's talking about!

thanks. i take this as nice feedback!

>
> I detest Flash as much as the next free software advocate but its still
> sadly a necessary evil if you want to watch streamed vids (and access other
> Flash material) on the internet without downloading them first.

at least youtube as the html5 option by now. and a patch was recently
merged in FF to use Gstreamer for video tag. that was done by one OMAP
developer, and was tested on panda with gst-ducati... that only solves
the h/w accelerated decode, not the video rendering, though.

>
> Gnash still isn't ready. On the Panda, playing back SD vids via gnash is
> very jerky when 'windowed' and totally unusable/watchable if you go full
> screen. webm? Forget about it! Just doesn't work under FF or chromium (on
> Panda at least, in my  testing)

see above. re: gnash libDCE support could be added in gnash if someone
is brave enough.

>
> I really want to see HTML5/CSS3/webm/ogg etc replace Flash but sadly this
> isn't possible yet and as ever its mainly because of MS dragging their
> heels. They made a big noise about IE 9 (which is sadly won't run on XP and
> earlier OSs) being standards (HTML5) compliant but that turned out to be
> marketing bull as it cannot play HTML5/CSS3 animations as produced by the
> likes of Sencha Animator (the only valid Linux alternative to Flash Pro I'm
> aware of) and Adobe Edge. This is promised for IE 10 but the fact that HTML
> 5/CSS3 anims/apps don't work under IE yet is greatly crippling adoption of
> open web standards. Who (except FOSS die-hards like us maybe) wants a site
> that won't work under the most popular browser?
>
> For all the above reasons, Flash on Panda is still very much needed for a
> complete and satisfactory web experience.
>
> ndec?

i can only have the same answer... flash is not available for
pandaboard community. it's available for BeagleBoard though see
http://tigraphics.blogspot.fr/2012/03/flash11-linux-x11-package-now-available.html.

[Dan MacDonald]

Hi Nicolas!

Thanks for that comprehensive update! You did a great, thorough job of answering my questions.

i can only have the same answer... flash is not available for
pandaboard community. it's available for BeagleBoard though see
http://tigraphics.blogspot.fr/2012/03/flash11-linux-x11-package-now-available.html.

So that's the secret location of the mysterious ARM Cortex Flash plugin - Flash v11 too! I'll be signing up to the TI site in an attempt to get that running later this week after I've re-installed 11.10 but the blurb indicates TI would have to OK my download of the plugin so not only I am unsure if this would run under 11.10 on Panda (I don't see why not) but I may not even get permission to download it anyway.

That was the first I've heard of GST support in FF - excellent!

Thanks again ndec!

[Vladimir Pantelic]

On 04/30/2012 12:03 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote:
> Hi Nicolas!
>
> Thanks for that comprehensive update! You did a great, thorough job of
> answering my questions.
>
>
> i can only have the same answer... flash is not available for
> pandaboard community. it's available for BeagleBoard though see
> http://tigraphics.blogspot.fr/2012/03/flash11-linux-x11-package-now-available.html.
>
>
> So that's the secret location of the mysterious ARM Cortex Flash plugin
> - Flash v11 too! I'll be signing up to the TI site in an attempt to get
> that running later this week after I've re-installed 11.10 but the blurb
> indicates TI would have to OK my download of the plugin so not only I am
> unsure if this would run under 11.10 on Panda (I don't see why not) but
> I may not even get permission to download it anyway.

exactly, and even if you get it, you cannot re-distribute it, so you
cannot "make it work" and then let others enjoy it. As far as open
source is concerned, you might as well pretend it does not exist
at all...

Also note that the above Flash plugin does *not* contain any hardware
acceleration for video decoding and it most likely does not even
contains "hooks" to add that. Video decode and rendering might even
by single threaded...

[Vladimir Pantelic]

Relaying to the list:

Login wrote:
> To watch movies from YouTube I found nice way to do it. Instead using
> and SWF player I'm using mplayer. If you using Firefox let's download
> FlashVideoReplacer. That's way to watch Youtube wideos goes very well.
>
> Hope it's helpfully for you