DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
----- Original Message ----- From: Syed Masud ul Hassan To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
Masud
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single party rules
aijaz
--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
Indeed! But then how is IK different?
------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Meekalahm...@aol.com" <Meekalahm...@aol.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 14:30 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country who does let a peep out?
No one.
We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
MA
In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the Saudis? What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
-------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Landay <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 10:13 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
From: Fundy Kasuri [mailto:idkas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:15 PM To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> wrote: > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com [mailto:Meekalahm...@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 06:54 AM > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask questions about it!
> MA
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maba...@hotmail.com writes:
>> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we should vote for.
>> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a personal sense, and thinking
>> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there for nearly 15 years.
>> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
>> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
>> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely divide the vote bank of PML-N.
>> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in front of imran khan when he spoke.
>> > Ahmed >> > -----Original message----- >> > From: ntuf...@gmail.com >> > Sent: 31/10/2011, 11:19 am >> > To: Press Pakistan >> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation. >> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of Venezuela! >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona connection
You have spoken my heart out. I agree with you 100%. Our people habe nee fooled on sloga ROTI KAPRA MAKAAN, where the hell the democratioc politicians are going to give that to awam. They need mloney for their swiss banks and for their 50 Generations. There was never any democracy and will never be in future. Baadshahat is the wsord what anybody who comes in power practices. These JHANDAS cars plyting past midnights with hooters in front and back by protocal waking people up disturbing their sleep after coming from their social luxurious lavish parties should remember their early days when they used to wear shalwar of 20 yards and with hiuge turbans having empty pockets and today they opwn Prados Pajeros and Mercs. Whdere the hell that came from one should question them. The luxry cars are not registered in their own names to avoid investigation. They can brak all rules all traffic signals and they are always in a hurry and gthe awam on the road is treated just like dirt as they all have to make gthe way/passage for these VIPS. ThaT makes me sick. There should be no hooters after 10 pm. They have tinted fglass in gtheir cars sitting in pardas, but public cant have that-they wiull be fined because they are AWAM. VIPS can do all to please themselves. They can break all laws - nbo one can dare to check them. Who will dare to get these VIPS SWISS bank account checked.??????
Million dollar question.?????
Regards Iqbal Mirza
From: ja...@rifiela.com To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com; pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com; PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com; joinpakistan@googlegroups.com Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:32:58 +0500
DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
----- Original Message ----- From: Syed Masud ul Hassan To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
Masud
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single party rules
aijaz
--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
Indeed! But then how is IK different?
From: "Meekalahm...@aol.com" <Meekalahm...@aol.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 14:30 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country who does let a peep out?
No one.
We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
MA
In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the Saudis? What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
From: Jonathan Landay <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 10:13 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
From: Fundy Kasuri [mailto:idkas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:15 PM To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> wrote: > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com [mailto:Meekalahm...@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 06:54 AM > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask questions about it!
> MA
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maba...@hotmail.com writes:
>> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we should vote for.
>> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a personal sense, and thinking
>> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there for nearly 15 years.
>> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
>> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
>> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely divide the vote bank of PML-N.
>> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in front of imran khan when he spoke.
>> > Ahmed >> > -----Original message----- >> > From: ntuf...@gmail.com >> > Sent: 31/10/2011, 11:19 am >> > To: Press Pakistan >> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation. >> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of Venezuela! >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona connection
>> > > so much read in mails and on twitter about Imran's speech, that decided to stay in the room instead of going out here in Vegas and listened to the parts of it ( talk about patriotism, and Vegas gets boring after 6 days if you do not drink or gamble)
>> > > Some people were really excited about Imran's speech, so I went ready to dump both ppp and Sharifs for imran.
>> > > Imran started with thanking Allah. I have no problem with that. I thank Allah all the time. what's one got to lose? >> > > but imran thanked Allah for several minutes, in several different ways, in the whole first
Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on chartered planes.
I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
aijaz
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> wrote:
From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
----- Original Message ----- From: Syed Masud ul Hassan To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
Masud
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single party rules
aijaz
--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
Indeed! But then how is IK different?
From: "Meekalahm...@aol.com" <Meekalahm...@aol.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 14:30 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country who does let a peep out?
No one.
We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
MA
In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the Saudis? What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
From: Jonathan Landay <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 10:13 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
From: Fundy Kasuri [mailto:idkas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:15 PM To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> wrote: > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com [mailto:Meekalahm...@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 06:54 AM > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask questions about it! > > MA > > In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maba...@hotmail.com writes:
>> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we should vote for.
>> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a personal sense, and thinking
>> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there for nearly 15 years.
>> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
>> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
>> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely divide the vote bank of PML-N.
>> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in front of imran khan when he spoke.
>> > Ahmed >> > -----Original message----- >> > From: ntuf...@gmail.com >> > Sent: 31/10/2011, 11:19 am >> > To: Press Pakistan >> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation. >> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of Venezuela! >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona connection
>> > > so much read in mails and on twitter about Imran's speech, that decided to stay in the room instead of going out here in Vegas and listened to the parts of it ( talk about patriotism, and Vegas gets boring after 6 days if you do not drink or gamble)
>> > > Some people were really excited about Imran's speech, so I went ready to dump both ppp and Sharifs for imran.
>> > > Imran started with thanking Allah. I have no problem with that. I thank Allah all the time. what's one got to lose? >> > > but imran thanked Allah for several minutes, in several different ways, in the whole first paragraph. and he thanked Allah in a style my grandma did, making her tone painful and saying every word longer than it should be said. you won't understand until you went back and saw imrran thanking Allah in a banning ( banning in Urdu) fashion. This tone is used usually when punjabi women give bud Duas or Duas or someone has died.
>> > > Then I waited and waited for a meaningful sentence. And trust me I clicked on his speech to give him a chance with all my honesty.
>> > > There was a tweet from Farah Naz isphahani cursing imran for insulting her husband. >> > > imran got to that part where he started excitedly about that ambassador that has been implanted in USA by zardari
I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing people about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are angels -- but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge that Pervez Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even one rupee . His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad . And Mr Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or his son lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>
Sender: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 To: <pakistanipress@googlegroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on chartered planes.
I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
aijaz
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> wrote:
From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>
Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
----- Original Message ----- From: Syed Masud ul Hassan To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
Masud
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single party rules
aijaz
--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
Indeed! But then how is IK different?
From: "Meekalahm...@aol.com" <Meekalahm...@aol.com>
To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 14:30
Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country who does let a peep out?
No one.
We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
MA
In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the Saudis?
What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
From: Jonathan Landay <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>
To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 10:13
Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
From: Fundy Kasuri [mailto:idkas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:15 PM
To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by financing the Taliban and arming Saudi.
On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> wrote:
> Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking.
> From: Meekalahm...@aol.com [mailto:Meekalahm...@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 06:54 AM
> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech
> I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask questions about it!
>
> MA
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maba...@hotmail.com writes:
>> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we should vote for.
>> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a personal sense, and thinking
>> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there for nearly 15 years.
>> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
>> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
>> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely divide the vote bank of PML-N.
>> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in front of imran khan when he spoke.
>> > Ahmed
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: ntuf...@gmail.com
>> > Sent: 31/10/2011, 11:19 am
>> > To: Press Pakistan
>> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation.
>> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of Venezuela! >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona connection
>> > > so much read in mails and on twitter about Imran's speech, that decided to stay in the room instead of going out here in Vegas and listened to the parts of it ( talk about patriotism, and Vegas gets boring after 6 days if you do not drink or gamble)
No matter what, none of those who has funds in swiss banks or elsewhere will bring a cent to Pakistan. They are much smarter than one can thgnk of. They will be stupid if they kept money in their own names. They have various other means, so forget abt their wealth coming to Pakistan. No law could persue thbose $£60 Millions known to all |Pakisstanis lying in Switrzerland - I wonder if that money is still there?
Regards Iqbal Mirza
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 From: k_aij...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com
Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on chartered planes.
I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
aijaz
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> wrote:
From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
----- Original Message ----- From: Syed Masud ul Hassan To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
Masud
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single party rules
aijaz
--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
Indeed! But then how is IK different?
From: "Meekalahm...@aol.com" <Meekalahm...@aol.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 14:30 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country who does let a peep out?
No one.
We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
MA
In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the Saudis? What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
From: Jonathan Landay <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 10:13 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
From: Fundy Kasuri [mailto:idkas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:15 PM To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> wrote: > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com [mailto:Meekalahm...@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 06:54 AM > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask questions about it!
> MA
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maba...@hotmail.com writes:
>> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we should vote for.
>> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a personal sense, and thinking
>> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there for nearly 15 years.
>> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
>> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
>> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely divide the vote bank of PML-N.
>> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in front of imran khan when he spoke.
>> > Ahmed >> > -----Original message----- >> > From: ntuf...@gmail.com >> > Sent: 31/10/2011, 11:19 am >> > To: Press Pakistan >> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation. >> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of Venezuela! >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona connection
>> > > so much read in mails and on twitter about Imran's speech, that decided to stay in the room instead of going out here in Vegas and listened to the parts of it ( talk about patriotism, and Vegas gets boring after 6 days if you do not drink or gamble)
>> > > Some people were really excited about Imran's speech, so I went ready to dump both ppp and Sharifs for imran.
>> > > Imran started with thanking Allah. I have no problem with that. I thank Allah all the time. what's one got to lose? >> > > but imran thanked Allah for several minutes, in several different ways, in the whole first paragraph. and he thanked Allah in a style my grandma did, making her tone painful and saying every word longer than
I totally agree with you dear Rashid Qureshi. These people do not relize that we are safe because of our Army. We sleep sound because our Army is wakeful. People in UK, USA, France, India and Israel do not shit on their Army except our people bcause they are unaware of the price of freedom. I suggest these people should migrate to any other country and start criticizing the Army of that country. They would readily learn a true lesson.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM, <rq.a...@gmail.com> wrote: > ** > I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing people > about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are angels -- > but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge that Pervez > Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even one rupee . > His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad . And Mr > Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or his son > lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi > *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from > Mobilink *** > ------------------------------ > *From: * Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> > *Sender: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com > *Date: *Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) > *To: *<pakistanipress@googlegroups.com> > *ReplyTo: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
> Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and > hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have > remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as > the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is > revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also > published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's > son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on > chartered planes.
> I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe > after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
> aijaz
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>* wrote:
> From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> > Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers > To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, > PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
> DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this > nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to > practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? > Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, > jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. > They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men > of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal > gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election > just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we > are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming > seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the > cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
> Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
> ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Syed Masud ul Hassan<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=syedmasu...@yahoo.com> > *To:* pakistanpress@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pakistanpress@googlegrou...> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
> You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In > Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of > the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their > conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots > tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
> Masud
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
> From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
> He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single > party rules
> aijaz
> --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
> From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! > To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
> no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people > who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country > who does let a peep out?
> No one.
> We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies > and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
> MA
> In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the > Saudis? > What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
> Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't > appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the > Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on > the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert > young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled > garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that > unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories > and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously > bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
> Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe > that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state > of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world > peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global > jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by > financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. > On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>> > wrote: > > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>[mailto: > Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>]
> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask > questions about it!
> > MA
> > In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > maba...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maba...@hotmail.com>writes:
> >> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we > should vote for.
> >> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a > personal sense, and thinking
> >> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing > a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and > juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good > achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and > they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
> >> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there > for nearly 15 years.
> >> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of > things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to > Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is > 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll > manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
> >> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil > disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the > parliamentarians are giving their
*if you know so much Mr. Rashid Qureshi, then please explain how Pervaiz Musharaf manage in constructing a palace in Chak Shahzad, and from where he purchased billions dollar property in UK and other countries????? and **Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd) would you like to answer then what is good for pakistan..is it army,,, whose officials allowed America to produce USAMA from pakistani soil??????aur your are talking about those army men who were found involved in NLC scam or you are talking about several army officers who are grabbing lands in posh areas by making dozen of colonies??????????DO YOU REALLY HAVE Any Answer??????????*
On 3 November 2011 21:30, <rq.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ** > I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing people > about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are angels -- > but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge that Pervez > Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even one rupee . > His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad . And Mr > Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or his son > lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi > *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from > Mobilink *** > ------------------------------ > *From: * Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> > *Sender: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com > *Date: *Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) > *To: *<pakistanipress@googlegroups.com> > *ReplyTo: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
> Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and > hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have > remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as > the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is > revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also > published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's > son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on > chartered planes.
> I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe > after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
> aijaz
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>* wrote:
> From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> > Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers > To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, > PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
> DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this > nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to > practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? > Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, > jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. > They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men > of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal > gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election > just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we > are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming > seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the > cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
> Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
> ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Syed Masud ul Hassan<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=syedmasu...@yahoo.com> > *To:* pakistanpress@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pakistanpress@googlegrou...> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
> You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In > Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of > the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their > conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots > tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
> Masud
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
> From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
> He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single > party rules
> aijaz
> --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
> From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! > To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
> no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people > who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country > who does let a peep out?
> No one.
> We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies > and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
> MA
> In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the > Saudis? > What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
> Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't > appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the > Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on > the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert > young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled > garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that > unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories > and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously > bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
> Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe > that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state > of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world > peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global > jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by > financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. > On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>> > wrote: > > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>[mailto: > Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>]
> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask > questions about it!
> > MA
> > In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > maba...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maba...@hotmail.com>writes:
> >> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we > should vote for.
> >> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a > personal sense, and thinking
> >> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing > a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and > juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good > achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and > they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
> >> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there > for nearly 15 years.
> >> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of > things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to > Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is > 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll > manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
> >> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil
Now look who told us about Army! an army man. I think every man who has some senses know well that what is the income and source of income of 22 grade officer. but if some have banglows in every major city and bank accounts. out of country from years? If Bilal has nothing with corruption thats good but what about owner of the farm house of chak shehzad and other assets. Blood suckers of the Nation must pay. INSHA ALLAH
Subject: Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com From: rq.a...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:30:24 +0000
I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing people about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are angels -- but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge that Pervez Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even one rupee . His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad . And Mr Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or his son lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi*** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from Mobilink ***From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> Sender: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT)To: <pakistanipress@googlegroups.com>ReplyTo: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on chartered planes.
I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
aijaz
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> wrote:
From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
----- Original Message ----- From: Syed Masud ul Hassan To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
Masud
--- On Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single party rules
aijaz
--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
Indeed! But then how is IK different?
From: "Meekalahm...@aol.com" <Meekalahm...@aol.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 14:30 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country who does let a peep out?
No one.
We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
MA
In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the Saudis? What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
From: Jonathan Landay <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 10:13 Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
From: Fundy Kasuri [mailto:idkas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:15 PM To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com> wrote: > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com [mailto:Meekalahm...@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 06:54 AM > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask questions about it!
> MA
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maba...@hotmail.com writes:
>> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we should vote for.
>> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a personal sense, and thinking
>> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there for nearly 15 years.
>> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
>> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
>> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely divide the vote bank of PML-N.
>> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in front of imran khan when he spoke.
>> > Ahmed >> > -----Original message----- >> > From: ntuf...@gmail.com >> > Sent: 31/10/2011, 11:19 am >> > To: Press Pakistan >> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation. >> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of Venezuela! >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona connection
> DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this > nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to > practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? > Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, > jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. > They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men > of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal > gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election > just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we > are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming > seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the > cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
> Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
> ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Syed Masud ul Hassan <syedmasu...@yahoo.com> > *To:* pakistanpress@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
> You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In > Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of > the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their > conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots > tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
> Masud
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
> From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! > To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
> He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single > party rules
> aijaz
> --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
> From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! > To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
> no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people > who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country > who does let a peep out?
> No one.
> We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies > and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
> MA
> In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the > Saudis? > What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
> Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't > appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the > Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on > the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert > young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled > garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that > unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories > and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously > bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
> Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe > that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state > of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world > peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global > jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by > financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. > On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>> > wrote: > > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. > > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>[mailto: > Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>]
> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech > > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask > questions about it!
> > MA
> > In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > maba...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maba...@hotmail.com>writes:
> >> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we > should vote for.
> >> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a > personal sense, and thinking
> >> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for organizing > a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where jalsas and > juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very good > achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly affair and > they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
> >> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there > for nearly 15 years.
> >> > The speakers were mostly in praise of Imran Khan without a roadmap of > things like how they will stop drone attacks and bring assets back to > Pakistan and eliminate 3000 billion rupees corruption every year. That is > 10x the pakistan budget. These are points for rhetoric but how you'll > manage it, is something Imran Khan has no clue about.
> >> > Regarding declaration of assets and the promise of a civil > disobedience movement, it doesnt make sense. As per law, the > parliamentarians are giving their assets details while all those who > contest elections, they need to do so. How that will aid in generating > revenue for the state is what IK has no clue about.
> >> > The rally also will scare the PML-N big time. The PTI will surely > divide the vote bank of PML-N.
> >> > Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the concert and the plate of 'dj butt' in > front of imran khan when he spoke.
> >> > Good commentary, he did speak about feudalism, fundamentalism and > huge military spending. The incumbent governments of PPP in center and > ML(N) in Punjab are really anti people and incompetent but the new pawn of > establishment has no vision and concrete plan to cope with the situation. > >> > Imran and company is the chip of same stone and think and trying to > move in same paradigm, our grave situation needs visionary like Chavaz of > Venezuela! > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone using my Telenor Persona > connection
> >> > > so much read in mails and on twitter about Imran's speech, that > decided to stay in the room instead of going out here in Vegas and listened > to the parts of it ( talk about patriotism, and Vegas gets boring after 6 > days if you do not drink or gamble)
> >> > > Some people were really excited about Imran's speech, so I went > ready to dump both ppp and Sharifs for imran.
> >> > > Imran started with thanking Allah. I have no problem with that. I > thank Allah all the time. what's one got to lose?
Sir , you are really either totally ignorant or a person who hears rumours and stories deliberately planted by liars to achieve their ends --- each allegation you make is untrue and without substance ! The palace you talk about in Chak Shezad is on land bought from Mr Ghalib Nishter ( shaukat aziz bought half of it -- and Musharraf's son the other half) -- son as I said works abroad . And by the way, a. COAS , any COAS does get enough money to make a house ! The UK apartment -- 2 bed , not a palace , he bought from the money he earned from his lectures in UK, China , Singapore , India , Europe , USA , South America , Africa --- 41 lectures in all which on the average are nearly 150000/- US dollars for one lecture ! If this is looted money , you are crazy --- I think if you have character you should apologise for saying what you have said about Musharraf -- anyway maybe God will make you realise some day -- yes I know these to be verified facts and do not base anything on hearsay . Regards *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from Mobilink ***
Sender: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 01:41:55 To: <pakistanipress@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
*if you know so much Mr. Rashid Qureshi, then please explain how Pervaiz
Musharaf manage in constructing a palace in Chak Shahzad, and from where he
purchased billions dollar property in UK and other countries????? and **Col.
Riaz Jafri (Retd) would you like to answer then what is good for
pakistan..is it army,,, whose officials allowed America to produce USAMA
from pakistani soil??????aur your are talking about those army men who were
found involved in NLC scam or you are talking about several army officers
who are grabbing lands in posh areas by making dozen of
colonies??????????DO YOU REALLY HAVE Any Answer??????????*
On 3 November 2011 21:30, <rq.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing people
> about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are angels --
> but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge that Pervez
> Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even one rupee .
> His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad . And Mr
> Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or his son
> lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi
> *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from
> Mobilink ***
> ------------------------------
> *From: * Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>
> *Sender: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT)
> *To: *<pakistanipress@googlegroups.com>
> *ReplyTo: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
> Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and
> hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have
> remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as
> the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is
> revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also
> published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's
> son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on
> chartered planes.
> I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe
> after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
> aijaz
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>* wrote:
> From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>
> Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
> To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com,
> PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
> DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this
> nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to
> practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers?
> Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam,
> jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so.
> They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men
> of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal
> gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election
> just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we
> are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming
> seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the
> cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
> Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Syed Masud ul Hassan<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=syedmasu...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* pakistanpress@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pakistanpress@googlegrou...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
> You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In
> Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of
> the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their
> conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots
> tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
> Masud
> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
> From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
> He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he single
> party rules
> aijaz
> --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
> From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
> To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
> no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people
> who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country
> who does let a peep out?
> No one.
> We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies
> and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
> MA
> In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the
> Saudis?
> What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
> Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you hadn't
> appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that the
> Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western rule on
> the world and that their music was designed by some institute to subvert
> young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such tripe-riddled
> garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement of that
> unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy theories
> and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a seriously
> bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your credibility.
> Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe
> that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state
> of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world
> peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global
> jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by
> financing the Taliban and arming Saudi.
> On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>>
> wrote:
> > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking.
> > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>[mailto:
> Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>]
> *if you know so much Mr. Rashid Qureshi, then please explain how Pervaiz > Musharaf manage in constructing a palace in Chak Shahzad, and from where he > purchased billions dollar property in UK and other countries????? and **Col. > Riaz Jafri (Retd) would you like to answer then what is good for > pakistan..is it army,,, whose officials allowed America to produce USAMA > from pakistani soil??????aur your are talking about those army men who were > found involved in NLC scam or you are talking about several army officers > who are grabbing lands in posh areas by making dozen of > colonies??????????DO YOU REALLY HAVE Any Answer??????????*
> On 3 November 2011 21:30, <rq.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ** >> I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing >> people about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are >> angels -- but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge >> that Pervez Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even >> one rupee . His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad >> . And Mr Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or >> his son lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi >> *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from >> Mobilink *** >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> >> *Sender: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com >> *Date: *Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) >> *To: *<pakistanipress@googlegroups.com> >> *ReplyTo: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com >> *Subject: *Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
>> Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and >> hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have >> remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as >> the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is >> revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also >> published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's >> son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on >> chartered planes.
>> I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe >> after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
>> aijaz
>> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>* wrote:
>> From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> >> Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers >> To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, >> PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
>> DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this >> nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to >> practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? >> Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, >> jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. >> They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men >> of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal >> gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election >> just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we >> are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming >> seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the >> cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
>> Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Syed Masud ul Hassan<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=syedmasu...@yahoo.com> >> *To:* pakistanpress@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pakistanpress@googlegrou...> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In >> Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of >> the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their >> conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots >> tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
>> Masud
>> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>> From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! >> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
>> He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he >> single party rules
>> aijaz
>> --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
>> From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! >> To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
>> no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people >> who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country >> who does let a peep out?
>> No one.
>> We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies >> and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
>> MA
>> In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
>> Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the >> Saudis? >> What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
>> Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you >> hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that >> the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western >> rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to >> subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such >> tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement >> of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy >> theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a >> seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your >> credibility.
>> Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe >> that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state >> of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world >> peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global >> jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by >> financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. >> On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>> >> wrote: >> > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. >> > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>[mailto: >> Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>]
>> > Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech >> > I have read some of his pie-in-the-sky economics. Don't bother to ask >> questions about it!
>> > MA
>> > In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> maba...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maba...@hotmail.com>writes:
>> >> Thanks . You put your finger on the real problem.Road map is what we >> should vote for.
>> >> Imran Khan has to cure himself of his habit of abusing others in a >> personal sense, and thinking
>> >> > Firstly, one has to appreciate and acknowledge the PTI for >> organizing a very good rally. In these times of electronic media where >> jalsas and juloos are getting meaningless, getting 100k people is a very >> good achievement. How they did it, we can deliberate. It was a costly >> affair and they managed it. How, that itself a million dollar question.
>> >> > The rally was a good starting point for a party which has been there >> for nearly 15 years.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM, <rq.a...@gmail.com> wrote: > ** > Sir , you are really either totally ignorant or a person who hears rumours > and stories deliberately planted by liars to achieve their ends --- each > allegation you make is untrue and without substance ! The palace you talk > about in Chak Shezad is on land bought from Mr Ghalib Nishter ( shaukat > aziz bought half of it -- and Musharraf's son the other half) -- son as I > said works abroad . And by the way, a. COAS , any COAS does get enough > money to make a house ! The UK apartment -- 2 bed , not a palace , he > bought from the money he earned from his lectures in UK, China , Singapore > , India , Europe , USA , South America , Africa --- 41 lectures in all > which on the average are nearly 150000/- US dollars for one lecture ! If > this is looted money , you are crazy --- I think if you have character you > should apologise for saying what you have said about Musharraf -- anyway > maybe God will make you realise some day -- yes I know these to be verified > facts and do not base anything on hearsay . Regards > *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from > Mobilink *** > ------------------------------ > *From: * shafiq sharif <shafiqsha...@gmail.com> > *Sender: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com > *Date: *Fri, 4 Nov 2011 01:41:55 +0500 > *To: *<pakistanipress@googlegroups.com> > *ReplyTo: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
> *if you know so much Mr. Rashid Qureshi, then please explain how Pervaiz > Musharaf manage in constructing a palace in Chak Shahzad, and from where he > purchased billions dollar property in UK and other countries????? and **Col. > Riaz Jafri (Retd) would you like to answer then what is good for > pakistan..is it army,,, whose officials allowed America to produce USAMA > from pakistani soil??????aur your are talking about those army men who were > found involved in NLC scam or you are talking about several army officers > who are grabbing lands in posh areas by making dozen of > colonies??????????DO YOU REALLY HAVE Any Answer??????????*
> On 3 November 2011 21:30, <rq.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ** >> I think you are very ill informed or are deliberately mis informing >> people about the Army . I am not saying that 100 percent of the Army are >> angels -- but 99 percent are not corrupt . And I have personal knowledge >> that Pervez Musharraf and his son have not misused or misappropriated even >> one rupee . His son studied abroad after his intermediate and works abroad >> . And Mr Aijaz whoever told you anything negative about Pervez Musharraf or >> his son lied to you ! Regards Rashid Qureshi >> *** This Message Has Been Sent Using BlackBerry Internet Service from >> Mobilink *** >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> >> *Sender: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com >> *Date: *Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:24:02 -0700 (PDT) >> *To: *<pakistanipress@googlegroups.com> >> *ReplyTo: * pakistanipress@googlegroups.com >> *Subject: *Re: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers
>> Sir what about men in uniforms, from Ayub Khan to general Musharaf and >> hudreds of thousend military nmen who made billions. You must have >> remembered the Time Magazine story on cover declaring general Fazl e Haq as >> the most rich General. The story about General Akhtar Abdul Rehman is >> revealed by Kulsoom Saif Ullah, and also by an honest Colonel. Time Also >> published story of the money of general Zia and his kins. Gen. Musharaf's >> son after he became army chief and president and than his started travel on >> chartered planes.
>> I know many of my relatives in the army started busines in UAE and Europe >> after they looted this country while assigned a civilian jobs.
>> aijaz
>> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com>* wrote:
>> From: Riaz Jafri <ja...@rifiela.com> >> Subject: Pakistani Press Democracy and the Plunderers >> To: pakistanipress@googlegroups.com, pakistanp...@yahoogroups.com, >> PakistaniA...@yahoogroups.com, joinpakistan@googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 11:32 PM
>> DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY ---- DEMOCRACY I am fed up of hearing this >> nonsense, more so coming from men of intellect. Who the hell wants to >> practice democracy in this country - these luteras and plunderers? >> Any time that someone of them utters words like democracy, awaam, >> jamhooriat, log etc. etc. I know for certain that NONE of them means so. >> They just use these words/terms to befool the masses and now even the men >> of intellect, but in fact exploit these terms for their own personal >> gains. Would anyone in his good senses spends MILLIONS on his election >> just to serve the masses? Come on, gentlemen, be honest. I don't think we >> are that naive. They ALL do it simply to help themselves and their coming >> seven generations with BILLIONS in return and say that they are serving the >> cause of democracy and awaam. Awaam - my foot.
>> Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Syed Masud ul Hassan<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=syedmasu...@yahoo.com> >> *To:* pakistanpress@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pakistanpress@googlegrou...> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech!
>> You can have democracy in single party or even in no party rule. In >> Pakistan its the party heads who are controlling the show. What to talk of >> the common man, even MNAs or MPAs cannot vote according to their >> conscience.It is the party chief who appoints office bearers and allots >> tickets for elections. You call it democracy. It is not even 'looly lungri'.
>> Masud
>> --- On *Wed, 11/2/11, Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>> From: Aijaz Ahmed <k_aij...@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! >> To: pakistanpress@googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 12:17 PM
>> He left for for china where democracy is not possible only t he >> single party rules
>> aijaz
>> --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
>> From: Kamran Shafi <ksha...@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [pakistanpress] Imran khan's speech! >> To: "pakistanpress@googlegroups.com" <pakistanpress@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 11:32 AM
>> no, never a peep but tell me Mickey apart from one or two brave people >> who do write about them and what a cruse they have placed on our country >> who does let a peep out?
>> No one.
>> We are so intimidated by them. Might cut off our discounted oil supplies >> and apply hajj quota's (like they did to the Irani's).
>> MA
>> In a message dated 11/1/2011 2:02:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ksha...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
>> Well let us see if there is a peep, just ONE peep out of IK against the >> Saudis? >> What bets that Saudi is his next port of call?
>> Fundy sab, I might - might - take you slighly more seriously if you >> hadn't appeared on a TV program alongside a total nutjob who claimed that >> the Beatles and other rock greats were part of a plot to impose Western >> rule on the world and that their music was designed by some institute to >> subvert young minds. And there you sat, saying nothing to refute such >> tripe-riddled garbage in what I took to be tantamount to your endorsement >> of that unadulterated lunatic piffle. So please spare us your conspiracy >> theories and unfounded and unsubstantiated plots. You are obviously a >> seriously bright person, but your advocacy of hogwash erases your >> credibility.
>> Ron Paul and Imran Khan do have one thing in common. They both believe >> that US Foreign Policy is driven by an American need to remain in a state >> of perpetual war and see US war mongering as a far greater threat to world >> peace than the overblown threat of the so-called global jihad. A global >> jihad that, mind you, the US and its regional allies continue to nurture by >> financing the Taliban and arming Saudi. >> On Nov 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jonathan Landay" <jlan...@mcclatchydc.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlan...@mcclatchydc.com>> >> wrote: >> > Maybe he and Ron Paul should be talking. >> > From: Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>[mailto: >> Meekalahm...@aol.com<http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Meekalahm...@aol.com>]
