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Lina Srivastava  
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 More options Nov 5 2012, 2:17 pm
From: Lina Srivastava <l...@linasrivastava.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:17:16 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 5 2012 2:17 pm
Subject: "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Hi all--

Watch this:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/2012/11/04/opinion/100000001881131/ballo...

And then consider: any states' rights and local governance arguments aside,
can someone in the design community do something about a national standard
in balloting and good design?  (I have no ideas for how to effect this,
just throwing it out to anyone who might want to chew on it.)

Lina
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Dave Gray  
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 More options Nov 5 2012, 2:23 pm
From: Dave Gray <dave.g...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:23:35 -0600
Local: Mon, Nov 5 2012 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

My friend Dana Chisnell is working on exactly this, and my wife Michelle is
working with her on the project:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/civicdesigning/field-guides-to-en...

Dave

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Aaron Silvers  
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 More options Nov 5 2012, 2:28 pm
From: Aaron Silvers <aaron.silv...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:28:04 -0600
Local: Mon, Nov 5 2012 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Lina,

Dana Chisnell, Michelle Gray, Erin Liman and a few others have been on top
of this. Consider this my pinging Erin and Michelle (not sure if Dana is on
this list or not) to chime in with more details on their project but it's
worth taking a look at Civic Designing first: http://civicdesigning.org/

(looks like Dave beat me to it, but this is the bigger project the
kickstarter is tied to).

There are a couple of challenges that this email gets me thinking about,
not necessarily related (but kinda):

1) How do we accelerate change inside (and working with from the outside)
massively complex bureaucratic systems? Changes happen, but they are slow
to surface (and if designed well, they often come about almost invisibly
after the first "huh" that we note where something we're doing seems to be
"better").

2) Reading David Weinberger's "Too Much to Know" it seems to me that
there's so much going on all the time, and it's really difficult to keep up
with what everyone is up to (and many of us in this group, particularly,
are up to way too much). How do we improve our reach into what anyone (let
alone this group) is doing on topics that are overlapping or adjacent to
our interests or focus? It's not just an Overlap question... it's another
take on how to work with complexity.

-a-

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Lina Srivastava <l...@linasrivastava.com>wrote:


 
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MARCEL BOTHA  
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 More options Nov 5 2012, 2:45 pm
From: MARCEL BOTHA <marcelbo...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:45:17 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 5 2012 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Great Michelle, wish I could vote…3 more months before I am a fully fledged african american.

Have a look at the work Ted Selker, one of my former professors,  did a couple years back on voting machines - http://www.nist.gov/itl/vote/upload/7-Selker.pdf (i send this link blindly due to bandwidth issues) Please google him to see more of the work he did on this subject at the Media Lab.

New York Overlappers, let's meet for a glass of wine soon. I hope you all weathered the last week and are in good health. I will send an Eventbrite link out during the coming week. You can find me in Tribeca most days.

Best,

Marcel

PS - I have my own quirky kickstarter project to share next week. :)

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On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Dave Gray <dave.g...@gmail.com> wrote:


 
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Lina Srivastava  
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 More options Nov 5 2012, 4:06 pm
From: Lina Srivastava <lina.srivast...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:06:48 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 5 2012 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Thanks everyone -- this is great work.

This is great work!  Dave and Aaron, I will share the kickstarter campaign
and larger project via socmed. Marcel-- welcome to our side... will take a
look at the paper and Selker's work.

Aaron-- even though I said "states' rights aside," in this case, it isn't
simply a case of bureaucratic complexity -- a complicating factor is the
sympathy for local governance and legislative authority in the US (which
the Canada, the other country mentioned in the video piece doesn't share).
 I'm a fairly staunch opponent of states' rights theory in most contexts,
but it's a fairly embedded American view.  There is that to contend with,
as well. in terms of thinking these issues through.

Thanks again, everyone.
Lina


 
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Nancy Frishberg  
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 More options Nov 6 2012, 12:26 pm
From: Nancy Frishberg <nan...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:25:23 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 6 2012 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Dana Chisnell's kickstarter project to produce  is one part of the effort
to educate local officials about the role of design in successful
democratic (small D) elections.

A national standard needs to compete with the current practices that
require county-by-county layout of physical ballots with states having
legislated aspects of ballot design differently from one another, including
details of the font size of candidates' names, the font size of party
affiliation and many other details that would fall to a designer in the
private sphere. The "late binding" of candidates or ballot issues to the
pre-determined election day date makes it all the more challenging to do a
good or excellent job on the design of the physical artifact. (At least one
of the conventions was held so late this year that it almost prevented
printing and sending ballots to overseas military by the required date.)

http://www.aiga.org/design-for-democracy/: This AIGA project helps match
designers with states which desires to employ one to implement various
voter education materials, poll worker materials, and other election
related matter. Two states have taken advantage of this over the past
several years and can attest to the usefulness of engaging a designer.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/better_design_better_el..."Better
design, better elections" is only one of several legal and
quasi-legal activities of the Brennan Center at NYU. People from the
usability and design communities have been collaborating with the attorneys
and legal students, and in the report cited here, have indicated 13 common
errors in ballot design that can be avoided, and thus improve the ability
of citizens to vote their intent.

One more item for today is that there are design challenges for people with
disabilities (including elders) beyond the ordinary ones. Two
workshops<http://elections.itif.org/projects/design-workshops/>were
held earlier this year to discuss and propose solutions to issues such
as pre-election information, in-person and remote voting, ballot design.
The sponsor of those workshops (ITIF) and federal level participating
agencies (e.g., NIST among others) are both looking for ways to move toward
nationals standards, while respecting states' rights.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Lina Srivastava <l...@linasrivastava.com>wrote:

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Shel Kimen  
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 More options Nov 7 2012, 2:23 pm
From: Shel Kimen <ski...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:33:26 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 7 2012 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Mary Quandt -- are you in the house? I believe Mary worked for quite a while on that AIGA project.

./s

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Lina Srivastava  
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 More options Nov 7 2012, 7:58 pm
From: Lina Srivastava <lina.srivast...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:58:29 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 7 2012 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Overlap] "Design disasters that change the course of history"

Thanks, Nancy-- Great roundup.  
Thanks Shel-- Mary, if you've got anything to add, would love to hear it.
Just to clarify, I'm not working on the issue myself, but I do want to be
aware of the progress of these projects, so if there are soc/med accounts
or newsletters I should follow, would you let me know?  

Lina


 
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