RE: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
Paul Mitchell
For info of all travellers to Zim the Toll gates have been increased from $1 to $2 for car and trailer. They normally do have plenty of change at the tolls but it is good to keep a fair amount of small notes ie. $1, $2, $5 AND $10 as very often shops etc. don’t have.
Regards
Paul
Paul Mitchell
PANGIE COMPUTERS (PVT) LTD. / HMS
Harare 
pang...@gmail.com
Zimbabwe 
Box HG 872 Highlands
(+263 4) 746002/776845
From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Slater
Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2014 18:38
To: overlan...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Overland] Re: Gonarezhou
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carry small notes as change can be lacking
toll gates 1$ oh R 10 and leaving Moz at Beitbridge bridge toll is $10 or R 100 cash only
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> From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Morgan
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2014 16:26
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> Subject: RE: [Overland] Re: Gonarezhou
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> Hi Mike,
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> Thanks for all your help. Planning on filling up with fuel at Chiredzi, did you do likewise? What’s the price of fuel and can you pay in US$?
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> From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Slater
> Sent: 16 July 2014 02:54 PM
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> Subject: [Overland] Re: Gonarezhou
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> Hi
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> We booked and paid in advance for Chinguli and Chamuluvati, and even managed to get a copy of the receipt,the day before,we left. Were told that Chinguli fully booked, but noone there the two nights we stayed. A group at Directors but left the day we arrived, hlaro empty but a family arrived in day two. Saw one other vehicle between Chinguli,and Chamuluvati and a group from Chilo Lodge at one of the bush camps near Chamuluvati.
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> On Wednesday, 16 July 2014, Mike Nieuwoudt <mnn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> How did you find Gonarezhou Mike? Was the place busy or its usual near empty?
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> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:12:52 PM UTC+2, mozguide wrote:
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> From near Hlaro
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Thanks for the update, Paul.
From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mitchell
Sent: 17 July 2014 10:57
To: overlan...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
For info of all travellers to Zim the Toll gates have been increased from $1 to $2 for car and trailer. They normally do have plenty of change at the tolls but it is good to keep a fair amount of small notes ie. $1, $2, $5 AND $10 as very often shops etc. don’t have.
Regards
Paul
Paul Mitchell
PANGIE COMPUTERS (PVT) LTD. / HMS
Mike Slater
Nico Roets
Marc Hall
mh
From: Nico Roets
Sent: 2014-07-18 06:56 AM
To: overlan...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
Paul Mitchell
I can assure you that those who you wish to make a stand against will not be effected at all but the good folk at the bottom of the chain will lose out.
I certainly don’t decide not to come to SA because of the ranting’s of some of your politicians and the toll costs of much more than $2 in most cases although your roads are in somewhat better condition than ours I grant you
Please don’t hold off coming to Zim because of the ranting’s of a few we love having you here and no matter what the colour of your skin or the language you speak you are much appreciated
Blessings
Paul
Paul Mitchell
PANGIE COMPUTERS (PVT) LTD. / HMS
Harare 
pang...@gmail.com
Zimbabwe 
Box HG 872 Highlands
(+263 4) 746002/776845
From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nico Roets
Sent: Friday, 18 July 2014 06:57
To: overlan...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
After uncle Bob's latest rant against whites I have decided to vote with my feet - Zim will not be seeing me for as long as the obviously racist policies are propagated. If my skin colour is an offence to the man, so should the colour of my money.
Zim will not be seeing me for the foreseeable future.
On 17 July 2014 13:26, Mike Slater <mozg...@gmail.com> wrote:
So for a car alone it's also $2? Flip, 100% increase is a bit of a wack! THANKS Paul.
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I have understanding for both sides of this issue, but very nicely said, Paul.
Carlo
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Mike Lauterbach
Mike Slater
Back again in Sept/Oct. Neither Wild horses
Nor ranting will keep me away. If me and my high horse were to shun countries guilty of some sort of violation of human rights that would leave perhaps Iceland '-)
On Friday, 18 July 2014, Carlo <ca...@matool.co.za> wrote:
> I'll be there in October, looking forward to it.
> Carlo Godridge
> From: Paul Mitchell
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> Shame my only thought is you lose out because of the ranting’s of a few. The good majority of people are brilliant and the most happy and respectful people you will meet.
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> I can assure you that those who you wish to make a stand against will not be effected at all but the good folk at the bottom of the chain will lose out.
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> I certainly don’t decide not to come to SA because of the ranting’s of some of your politicians and the toll costs of much more than $2 in most cases although your roads are in somewhat better condition than ours I grant you
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> Please don’t hold off coming to Zim because of the ranting’s of a few we love having you here and no matter what the colour of your skin or the language you speak you are much appreciated
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> From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nico Roets
> Sent: Friday, 18 July 2014 06:57
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> Subject: Re: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
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> After uncle Bob's latest rant against whites I have decided to vote with my feet - Zim will not be seeing me for as long as the obviously racist policies are propagated. If my skin colour is an offence to the man, so should the colour of my money.
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> On 17 July 2014 13:26, Mike Slater <mozg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So for a car alone it's also $2? Flip, 100% increase is a bit of a wack! THANKS Paul.
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> kúnóógwa kwáshákuúlya kúmáøííka ukáálya
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> Best wishes
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> Mike Slater www.mozguide.com
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> On 17 July 2014 11:00, Paul Mitchell <pang...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Folks
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> For info of all travellers to Zim the Toll gates have been increased from $1 to $2 for car and trailer. They normally do have plenty of change at the tolls but it is good to keep a fair amount of small notes ie. $1, $2, $5 AND $10 as very often shops etc. don’t have.
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+1
From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hall
Sent: 18 July 2014 07:53
To: overlan...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
Bloody hell Nico, he's been on his tyrannical trend since 2000. Thats when i started my boycott.
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Emanuel Berger
I don’t know if the ZIM Police makes a difference between RSA and Swiss tourists, but last year the they where, normally very correct. Sometimes they wanted to check the lights or see the TIP but always the driver’s license. The exception was the (probably) fake policeman at Masvingo, I wrote about last year in this forum, how openly asked for a $ 20 bribe for something he invented.
A few times we had quite some fun with them because they always come to the wrong side of the left hand driven vehicle. The funniest one the was puzzled, because Christine handed him my driver’s license.
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Von: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag von Dave Raulstone
Gesendet: Montag, 28. März 2016 09:55
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Betreff: Re: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
Paul, How is the police intimidation at the road blocks before & after each town going? Late 2014 friends were harassed for all sorts of things, the worst was being held responsible for xenophobia! Fortunately our friend trains management in behavoural skills and dealt with them by agreeing, ie that they also hate xenophobia. When their friend, a judge, drove in front they had problems because he took a legalistic stance.
Pity Zim didn't choose the ZAR instead of linking to the US$: Zim is getting quite expensive especially compared with Namibia, which also doesn't have harassment.
Thanks.
Dave Raulstone
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 at 11:00:32 AM UTC+2, Paul Mitchell wrote:
For info of all travellers to Zim the Toll gates have been increased from $1 to $2 for car and trailer. They normally do have plenty of change at the tolls but it is good to keep a fair amount of small notes ie. $1, $2, $5 AND $10 as very often shops etc. don’t have.
Regards
Paul
Paul Mitchell
PANGIE COMPUTERS (PVT) LTD. / HMS
Paul Mitchell
Hi Dave
My experience with the police might be different to yours as being a local they might treat us with different criteria.
In essence the government is desperate for money and police road blocks are one easy way of generating funds. At the moment the max fine they can impose is $20 for any one offence.
You will find anything upwards of 10-15 road blocks between BB and Harare but to tell you the truth the majority of them are reasonably pleasant in attitude as long as you don't get frustrated and make derogatory comments at them
There are quite a few insignificant regulations which they can fine you on and they will use them to extract as much money as they can. If they fine you at one road block keep the form as you can show it at any other road block to prevent paying twice for the same thing
If you can get an app called road angels which gives you a lot of info on what is required and the max fines payable
And what is required to carry on/in your vehicle.
Sad about the rand slipping so badly as it does make it very expensive for you and very cheap for us ☺
Hope this helps
Paul
PS keep to the speed limits as they often have speed traps especially in the lowveltd area there is a 10km odd stretch in the middle of nowhere which is 60kms an hour and they will normally have two speed traps in that short stretch
Sean Steyn
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Dave Raulstone
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 at 11:00:32 AM UTC+2, Paul Mitchell wrote:
Bruce Turner
Dave Raulstone
That's a shocker, worse than the rumours doing the rounds. Thanks for advising us, Bruce. No doubt they sensed that he was a vulnerable employee.
Paul, this should get to the Zim equivalent of Moz's tourist protection organisation. Perhaps Clive Stockil could help : he was involved in getting help for visitors at BB.
The police road blocks were charming when we visited in 2012 & I saw no problem. My wife was more cynical but accurate: the system had been set up & she predicted that it would be a matter of time before the corruption & intimidation set in.
Sad but no surprise.
Dave Raulstone
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Glen Roberts
IHMO, if a person encounters problems at any police check in Zim, then they either have an un-roadworthy vehicle that does not comply with Zim regulations, or they have attitude issues when stopped by the police.
Regards
Glen
Dave Raulstone
Glen I generally agree with you about one's personal attitude being the key : we have never had aggression problems from police because we smile & are genuinely affable. However, picking on a salesman ( Black & vulnerable? ) shows thuggish officialdom is just below the skin of enough officials to put me off until we've enjoyed all of Botswana, Namibia & SA.
Got robbed of R3k by touts at BB in 2012 but that's a different topic.
Dave R
Off topic: a fascinating read by Greg Mills 'Why Africa is Poor, & what Africans can do about it'. An essential read if one is grasping to find the sustainable way forward!
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On Thursday, July 17, 2014 at 11:00:32 AM UTC+2, Paul Mitchell wrote:
Bruce Turner
Paul Mitchell
Unfortunately I have had bad experiences in South Africa Botswana and Zambia does that mean I can't travel to any of these countries my 1 cent or 15cRand
Paul
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Nice view nicely put. Thanks Mike, I enjoyed reading this.
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From: overlan...@googlegroups.com [mailto:overlan...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Slater
Sent: 29 March 2016 11:50
To: overland-forum
Subject: Re: [Overland] Re: Road Tolls in Zim
Got to toss in my ten bananas worth here by saying that unfortunately the horror-stories, whether legit or not, whether due to bad attitude or not, do so easily and eagerly be taken up as representing the "norm". Bad news travels fast, far and furiously while good news does not. This is normal, but I do get hot under the collar when the scattered (and I for one have experienced - rare) bad behaviour from authorities in whatever country, is twisted to become "this is what you expect can in...".
For what it's worth (as the investment types say: past performance is not an indicator of the future), I drove from BB to Chirundu (and braved both crossings finding the usual quiet chaos at both), and we were stopped six times by friendly, but sometimes persistent, cops. I did pay $20 legit fine for my fire extinguisher which had lost its smoke a decade ago.
So far (must be hundreds of trips over the fourty or so years), every trip across our borders has both reinforced my faith in the dignity of the common person, and my animosity to cynical authority that holds that same common person in contempt.
Feel better now and will crawl back into the wood-work for a while ; - /
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Rob Harvey
Heine De Villiers
I suppose it's down to personal preference, but one bad apple definitely doesn't ruin my day. Bruce, you need to change your attitude - you may never make it out of Joburg judging what I hear about the JMPD (hearsay, of course, and TIC).
Haven't had a problem in Zim, only friendliness. It sometimes gets tiresome slowing down for the roadblocks, but then when I see one here in ZA I get so excited that the cops are doing their jobs I wished we'd have many more.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:31:11 AM UTC+2, BruceT wrote:
Unfortunately for me one bad apple is enough for me and there are plenty other places to visit. As much as I love Zim and never thought I would say this, they wont see me until things change there. (unless I can do short trips like Hwange from Pandematenga or Gonarezhou from Moz)
Marc Hall
Heine I agree 100%. This Is Africa and the experienced travellers usually know how things work and how to get around difficult situations….
Bruce, are you 100% certain your young dude was “telling it like it was”, and not possibly creating an “avoidance” in the hope of not being sent there again …… (just a thought that struck my thoughts when you posted your initial report)
mh
Emanuel Berger
Apart of the border crossing at BB and the false cop in Masvingo, we were pleasantly surprised of ZIM. The supply of food and gasoline was pretty good and most campsites much better than described in the travel guides. The friendliness, helpfulness and openness of the locals was also a great experience.
We will soon return to ZIM but certainly not entering at BB;-)
Bruce Turner
Heine De Villiers
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Only crap I have ever had was with Sef African cops and also only in the last 10 years. The friendliest cops was definitely the Nam guys, second bots, only one incident where he threw his toys at the vet gate, as I stopped a meter away from his imagery line, but he was also the only one wearing aviator sunglasses and had his hat cocked like a true dictator. Was never stopped in zim and neither in moz so no comments on those ones.
Con
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Sent: 29 March 2016 08:28 PM
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+ ONE (hundred)
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Mike
A friend’s response: +1
Hi Mike,
You remember the folks from Germany, Marion und Walter Halscheidt, www.katonworldtour.com.
As part of their world tour they travelled through Zimbabwe and noted in their journals, “never again” as they were constantly stopped in their expedition truck for reflectors that were too small, wheel chocks that were not secured properly etc. This was all to get bribes.
Walter has a policy, they will never pay bribes and he aggressively told the cops it is bullshit and he won’t pay for nonsense.
They had plenty of confrontation and cut their trip short and went to Zambia instead. Just not worth it.
We all hear the stories, so why not just cut Zimbabwe a wide berth. Travelling is not cheap anymore, why put up with rubbish and spoil a family holiday?
Some of my staff have to do work in Zim, and when they travel with locals in a locally registered vehicle they do get stopped, but not so often.
All foreign registered vehicles are targets.
Kind regards
MikE
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