“*The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."** - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
*Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?
* UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague
JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the context
> of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in seraching
> for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and Brendan
> Montague
> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn
> that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
> sustainable society.
I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
interesting.
“Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those in
developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that
impact.”
Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a
prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners,
arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can continue our
economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we all change
our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'? Impossible
you say? I argue that reducing population is even more impossible - besides
nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the context
>> of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in seraching
>> for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and Brendan
>> Montague
>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn
>> that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
>> sustainable society.
-- Anna, Wayne and Eli
26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
"Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
> interesting.
> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those
> in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that
> impact.”
> Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a
> prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners,
> arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can continue our
> economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we all change
> our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and Brendan
>>> Montague
>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to
>>> warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
>>> sustainable society.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>> interesting.
>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those
>> in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that
>> impact.”
>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a
>> prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners,
>> arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can continue
>> our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we all
>> change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to
>>>> warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
>>>> sustainable society.
-- Anna, Wayne and Eli
26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
"Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>> interesting.
>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those
>>> in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that
>>> impact.”
>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a
>>> prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners,
>>> arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can continue
>>> our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we all
>>> change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to
>>>>> warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
>>>>> sustainable society.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>>> interesting.
>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
>>>> that impact.”
>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot,
>>>> a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners,
>>>> arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can continue
>>>> our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we all
>>>> change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to
>>>>>> warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
>>>>>> sustainable society.
-- Anna, Wayne and Eli
26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
"Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so bliase
about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but there
you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had off
been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the Club
of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see that
as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of other
poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it should
be.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'
> mentality!
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
>>>>> that impact.”
>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot,
>>>>> a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners,
>>>>> arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can continue
>>>>> our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we all
>>>>> change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to
>>>>>>> warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
>>>>>>> sustainable society.
> --
> Anna, Wayne and Eli
> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
Hi Steve
This is Anna, not Anni and I'm certainly not bliase about (was it
deliberate?) contamination of vaccines. I *do* believe that vaccines are
still the 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'. Some might consider them
'preventative' but are they really dealing with the real problem. Often
not.
Even if something like this wipes out a huge amount of the world's
population it is still a natural consequence of the society we have
created. Sorry no practical solutions here, accept going back to the basic
values/morals we are teaching those we influence. Is there really any other
solution to the state of our world? Rules/laws/policies just won't change
things.
I dont' think email conversations cut it for this kind of conversation! I
am often sceptical, but completely heartless. :)
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so bliase
> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but there
> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had off
> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the Club
> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see that
> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of other
> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it should
> be.
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the
>> cliff' mentality!
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
>>>>>> that impact.”
>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population
>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we
>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is
>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to
>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
>> --
>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
-- Anna, Wayne and Eli
26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
"Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so bliase
> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but there
> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had off
> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the Club
> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see that
> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of other
> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it should
> be.
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'
>> mentality!
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
>>>>>> that impact.”
>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population
>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we
>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is
>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to
>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
>> --
>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> Hi Steve
> This is Anna, not Anni and I'm certainly not bliase about (was it
> deliberate?) contamination of vaccines. I *do* believe that vaccines are
> still the 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'. Some might consider them
> 'preventative' but are they really dealing with the real problem. Often
> not.
> Even if something like this wipes out a huge amount of the world's
> population it is still a natural consequence of the society we have
> created. Sorry no practical solutions here, accept going back to the basic
> values/morals we are teaching those we influence. Is there really any other
> solution to the state of our world? Rules/laws/policies just won't change
> things.
> I dont' think email conversations cut it for this kind of conversation! I
> am often sceptical, but completely heartless. :)
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so bliase
>> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but there
>> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
>> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had off
>> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the Club
>> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see that
>> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of other
>> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it should
>> be.
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the
>>> cliff' mentality!
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
>>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
>>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
>>>>>>> that impact.”
>>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
>>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population
>>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
>>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we
>>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
>>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is
>>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to
>>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
>>> --
>>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
>>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
>>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Suggest this as a good learning resource for framing conversations on the
> sustainability of society.
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so bliase
>> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but there
>> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
>> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had off
>> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the Club
>> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see that
>> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of other
>> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it should
>> be.
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'
>>> mentality!
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
>>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
>>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
>>>>>>> that impact.”
>>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
>>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population
>>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
>>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
>>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we
>>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
>>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
>>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
>>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
>>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
>>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
>>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
>>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
>>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is
>>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to
>>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
>>> --
>>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
>>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
>>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
-- Anna, Wayne and Eli
26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
"Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Suggest this as a good learning resource for framing conversations on the
> > sustainability of society.
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so bliase
> >> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but there
> >> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
> >> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had off
> >> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the Club
> >> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see that
> >> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of other
> >> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it should
> >> be.
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'
> >>> mentality!
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences). :)
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
> >>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi all
> >>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were quite
> >>>>>>> interesting.
> >>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than
> >>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce
> >>>>>>> that impact.”
> >>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
> >>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population
> >>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
> >>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
> >>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living. How about we
> >>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think we 'need'?
> >>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even more
> >>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when she needs to.
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
> >>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
> >>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
> >>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
> >>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
> >>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
> >>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
> >>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
> >>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
> >>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in the
> >>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the most idea in
> >>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
> >>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake and
> >>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
> >>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is
> >>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to
> >>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
> >>> --
> >>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
> >>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> >>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> --
> Anna, Wayne and Eli
> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
I will have a read and reply, from having a scan of your conclusion that
people, the masses are not 'enlightened' and unable to make rational
judgements is interesting.
'Libertarianism as an evolutionary step, will only work if we are all
enlightened. This is sadly not the case. Libertarianism only serves the
needs of a minority. Whilst there are still selfish people in the world,
libertarianism and the notion of ‘freedom’ are too risky, and sane
humanitarian democratically elected governments must remain.'
> On Mar 24, 3:17 pm, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks. Interesting.
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Suggest this as a good learning resource for framing conversations on
> the
> > > sustainability of society.
> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > >> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so
> bliase
> > >> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but
> there
> > >> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
> > >> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had
> off
> > >> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the
> Club
> > >> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably see
> that
> > >> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of
> other
> > >> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it
> should
> > >> be.
> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <
> annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the
> cliff'
> > >>> mentality!
> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > >>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <
> annajoanhug...@gmail.com
> > >>>> > wrote:
> > >>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences).
> :)
> > >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <
> sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
> > >>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hi all
> > >>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were
> quite
> > >>>>>>> interesting.
> > >>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment
> than
> > >>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one
> way to reduce
> > >>>>>>> that impact.”
> > >>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
> > >>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised
> population
> > >>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a
> greater threat.
> > >>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
> > >>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living.
> How about we
> > >>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think
> we 'need'?
> > >>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even
> more
> > >>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when
> she needs to.
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
> > >>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
> > >>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
> > >>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
> > >>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All
> these
> > >>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only
> through
> > >>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
> > >>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
> > >>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
> > >>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in
> the
> > >>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the
> most idea in
> > >>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
> > >>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake
> and
> > >>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
> > >>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers,
> is
> > >>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if
> it is to
> > >>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
> > >>> --
> > >>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
> > >>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> > >>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> > --
> > Anna, Wayne and Eli
> > 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> > "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will have a read and reply, from having a scan of your conclusion that
> people, the masses are not 'enlightened' and unable to make rational
> judgements is interesting.
> 'Libertarianism as an evolutionary step, will only work if we are all
> enlightened. This is sadly not the case. Libertarianism only serves the
> needs of a minority. Whilst there are still selfish people in the world,
> libertarianism and the notion of ‘freedom’ are too risky, and sane
> humanitarian democratically elected governments must remain.'
> Your statement makes me think back to Plato's Republic...in this respect
>> On Mar 24, 3:17 pm, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks. Interesting.
>> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > Suggest this as a good learning resource for framing conversations on
>> the
>> > > sustainability of society.
>> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> > >> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so
>> bliase
>> > >> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but
>> there
>> > >> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
>> > >> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had
>> off
>> > >> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the
>> Club
>> > >> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably
>> see that
>> > >> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of
>> other
>> > >> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it
>> should
>> > >> be.
>> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <
>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the
>> cliff'
>> > >>> mentality!
>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> > >>>> Natural organic deadly virus vaccines.
>> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <
>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com
>> > >>>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences).
>> :)
>> > >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <
>> sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
>> > >>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> Hi all
>> > >>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were
>> quite
>> > >>>>>>> interesting.
>> > >>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment
>> than
>> > >>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one
>> way to reduce
>> > >>>>>>> that impact.”
>> > >>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
>> > >>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised
>> population
>> > >>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a
>> greater threat.
>> > >>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
>> > >>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living.
>> How about we
>> > >>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think
>> we 'need'?
>> > >>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even
>> more
>> > >>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when
>> she needs to.
>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
>> > >>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
>> > >>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
>> > >>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
>> > >>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All
>> these
>> > >>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only
>> through
>> > >>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
>> > >>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
>> > >>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
>> > >>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in
>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the
>> most idea in
>> > >>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
>> > >>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake
>> and
>> > >>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
>> > >>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green
>> advisers, is
>> > >>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if
>> it is to
>> > >>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
>> > >>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
>> > >>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
>> > --
>> > Anna, Wayne and Eli
>> > 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
>> > "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
Thanks Steve, I will read your links. I think my emphasis on 'greed'
as a human failing is very timely considering the current state of the
world economy.
Cheers
On Apr 2, 5:22 pm, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will have a read and reply, from having a scan of your conclusion that
> > people, the masses are not 'enlightened' and unable to make rational
> > judgements is interesting.
> > 'Libertarianism as an evolutionary step, will only work if we are all
> > enlightened. This is sadly not the case. Libertarianism only serves the
> > needs of a minority. Whilst there are still selfish people in the world,
> > libertarianism and the notion of ‘freedom’ are too risky, and sane
> > humanitarian democratically elected governments must remain.'
> > Your statement makes me think back to Plato's Republic...in this respect
> >> On Mar 24, 3:17 pm, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Thanks. Interesting.
> >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > Suggest this as a good learning resource for framing conversations on
> >> the
> >> > > sustainability of society.
> >> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> > >> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so
> >> bliase
> >> > >> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but
> >> there
> >> > >> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
> >> > >> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had
> >> off
> >> > >> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the
> >> Club
> >> > >> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably
> >> see that
> >> > >> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of
> >> other
> >> > >> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it
> >> should
> >> > >> be.
> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <
> >> annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > >>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the
> >> cliff'
> >> > >>> mentality!
> >> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <
> >> annajoanhug...@gmail.com
> >> > >>>> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences).
> >> :)
> >> > >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <
> >> sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
> >> > >>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>> Hi all
> >> > >>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were
> >> quite
> >> > >>>>>>> interesting.
> >> > >>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment
> >> than
> >> > >>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one
> >> way to reduce
> >> > >>>>>>> that impact.”
> >> > >>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
> >> > >>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised
> >> population
> >> > >>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a
> >> greater threat.
> >> > >>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
> >> > >>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living.
> >> How about we
> >> > >>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think
> >> we 'need'?
> >> > >>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even
> >> more
> >> > >>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when
> >> she needs to.
> >> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
> >> > >>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
> >> > >>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All
> >> these
> >> > >>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only
> >> through
> >> > >>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
> >> > >>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the
> >> most idea in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
> >> > >>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake
> >> and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
> >> > >>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green
> >> advisers, is
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if
> >> it is to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
> >> > >>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> >> > >>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> >> > --
> >> > Anna, Wayne and Eli
> >> > 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> >> > "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
Hi Steve,
I think page 147 of the book review of Plato's republic is relevant to
my argument. .http://books.google.com.au/books? id=nPdw5WbDr1AC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=platos%27+republic+liberty+ruling
+class
%27&source=bl&ots=xTPqODOf57&sig=JGkfYfgKueS4cPGvCGOAnGOV5F8&hl=en&ei=lBvUS feGJ9CLkAWozoCSDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA147,M1is
How do you create hyper links on this discussion board.??
Helen
On Apr 3, 11:25 am, Helen <HelenPLind...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Steve, I will read your links. I think my emphasis on 'greed'
> as a human failing is very timely considering the current state of the
> world economy.
> Cheers
> On Apr 2, 5:22 pm, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For a grim laugh: 'Dennis the constitutional peasant':
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I will have a read and reply, from having a scan of your conclusion that
> > > people, the masses are not 'enlightened' and unable to make rational
> > > judgements is interesting.
> > > 'Libertarianism as an evolutionary step, will only work if we are all
> > > enlightened. This is sadly not the case. Libertarianism only serves the
> > > needs of a minority. Whilst there are still selfish people in the world,
> > > libertarianism and the notion of ‘freedom’ are too risky, and sane
> > > humanitarian democratically elected governments must remain.'
> > > Your statement makes me think back to Plato's Republic...in this respect
> > >> On Mar 24, 3:17 pm, Anna Hughes <annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks. Interesting.
> > >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > Suggest this as a good learning resource for framing conversations on
> > >> the
> > >> > > sustainability of society.
> > >> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> > >> I don't know what you mean Anni? Can't fathom how one cannot be so
> > >> bliase
> > >> > >> about deliberate contamination of vaccines with deadly bird virus but
> > >> there
> > >> > >> you go. I am always amazed by people's cognition against my own.
> > >> > >> Millions of people would probably have died from pandemics if it had
> > >> off
> > >> > >> been released...some people, Eugencists like JONATHON PORRITT and the
> > >> Club
> > >> > >> of Rome people (Which includes al gore) in private would probably
> > >> see that
> > >> > >> as a good thing. Very twisted morals, very tragic for the victims of
> > >> other
> > >> > >> poweful people's idea's and actions to shape the world they think it
> > >> should
> > >> > >> be.
> > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Anna Hughes <
> > >> annajoanhug...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >> > >>> still a natural consequence to our 'ambulance at the bottom of the
> > >> cliff'
> > >> > >>> mentality!
> > >> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Anna Hughes <
> > >> annajoanhug...@gmail.com
> > >> > >>>> > wrote:
> > >> > >>>>> Yep. Guess that's what a mean by nature (natural consequences).
> > >> :)
> > >> > >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Steven Parker <
> > >> sparke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anna Hughes <
> > >> > >>>>>> annajoanhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>> Hi all
> > >> > >>>>>>> I thought that the following 2 comments from this article were
> > >> quite
> > >> > >>>>>>> interesting.
> > >> > >>>>>>> “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment
> > >> than
> > >> > >>>>>>> those in developing countries so cutting our population is one
> > >> way to reduce
> > >> > >>>>>>> that impact.”
> > >> > >>>>>>> Such views on population have split the green movement. George
> > >> > >>>>>>> Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised
> > >> population
> > >> > >>>>>>> campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a
> > >> greater threat.
> > >> > >>>>>>> The idea of reducing the population seems to be so that we can
> > >> > >>>>>>> continue our economic growth and excessive standard of living.
> > >> How about we
> > >> > >>>>>>> all change our attitudes towards the standard of living we think
> > >> we 'need'?
> > >> > >>>>>> Impossible you say? I argue that reducing population is even
> > >> more
> > >> > >>>>>>> impossible - besides nature/our planet will sort that out when
> > >> she needs to.
> > >> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Steven Parker <
> > >> > >>>>>>>> sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> “*The common enemy of humanity is man.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All
> > >> these
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only
> > >> through
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> The real enemy then, is humanity itself."**
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> - Club of Rome **The First Global Revolution*
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> *Where do you think the sustainability agenda will lead to in
> > >> the
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> context of position for the earth? Could the CO2 con be the
> > >> most idea in
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> seraching for 'a common enemy to unite us'?*
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt Jonathan Leake
> > >> and
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Brendan Montague
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green
> > >> advisers, is
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if
> > >> it is to
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> build a sustainable society.
> > >> > >>> --
> > >> > >>> Anna, Wayne and Eli
> > >> > >>> 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> > >> > >>> "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
> > >> > --
> > >> > Anna, Wayne and Eli
> > >> > 26 Oregon St, Dunedin. 4546848
> > "Saving the world one nappy free baby at a time!"
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