I am not aware of anyone of us who can so build the CEB Press for you. Best would be You to find the people in your country who can take the open source plans and build the machine.
Best Regards, Nikolay On Apr 16, 2012 8:34 AM, "Maria Costi" <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr> wrote:
> As I haven't received any response to my following message, I'm forwarding > it again in case it was not delivered correctly. If there is any > information on who could manufacture the Liberator Press for us, please let > us know.
> Thank you
> *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect* > * > * > Between > an office of urban architecture > * > ------------------------------ > * > the Lines
> CYPRUS 56-58 Theseus str.1016 Medieval City of Nicosia > +357.99523715 > SPAIN Paseo San José Obrero 1, 1ş, C 34004 Palencia > +34.690135475
> ------------------------------ > *From:* Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr> > *To:* "monove...@gmail.com" <monove...@gmail.com>; " > bria...@kufadesigns.com" <bria...@kufadesigns.com>; " > OpenSourceEcol...@gmail.com" <OpenSourceEcol...@gmail.com>; Nikolay > Georgiev <nikolay.h.georg...@googlemail.com> > *Cc:* Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com>; Will Cleaver < > willclea...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2012 10:32 AM > *Subject:* ´Liberator´ press for the University of Cyprus.
> Hello,
> After having studied various options for the purchase of a CEB Press, the > University of Cyprus has decided to purchase the 'LIBERATOR' Press. Our > contact in Spain initially was Lucas Gonzalez which informed us that the > purchase of the materials for setting up the press was around 4400euros, > a price which is in our budget. We also would need the designs of the > press. At the moment we only have the > Complete Fabrication Instructions, 2011, c > ompiled by Brianna Kufa which are very informative, but we would alsoneed the ACAD designs, > as this is a demand the sponsoring organisation has.
> We are contacting you for assistence in the following issues:
> 1. Who (manufacturer or seller) must we contact for the actual purchase > of the Liberator CEB press? I understand that Jose Bravo and Brianna are > manufacturers? > 2. We would also like to have the designs of the press. > 3. How much would the press cost along with the shipping to Cyprus? > 4. How long would it take for us to receive the press in Cyprus? > 5. If assistance is needed for the setting up of the press here in > Cyprus, who would be able to help us and how much would his assistance cost?
> Considering that the University needs to receive the press as soon as > possible along with the designs, in order to be able to continue with the > investigation project, I'm looking forward to your prompt reply.
> Thank you in advance,
> *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect* > * > * > Between > an office of urban architecture > * > ------------------------------ > * > the Lines
> CYPRUS 56-58 Theseus str.1016 Medieval City of Nicosia > +357.99523715 > SPAIN Paseo San José Obrero 1, 1ş, C 34004 Palencia > +34.690135475
> ------------------------------ > *From:* Will Cleaver <willclea...@gmail.com> > *To:* Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>; Nikolay Georgiev < > nikolay.h.georg...@googlemail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: ´Liberator´ press for the University of Cyprus.
> Hi Maria,
> I recommend you email "Jose Bravo" <monove...@gmail.com>, he is a metal > fabricator and is at Factor e Farm in Missouri, US right now. Also try > "Brianna" <bria...@kufadesigns.com>, She built a few CEB presses at > Factor e Farm last year and might be building them in San Diego now too?.. > Then of course there is "Marcin Jakubowski" <OpenSourceEcol...@gmail.com>, > but if he is too busy he may not reply to you.
> I hope you can find a solution. There is also the possibility of looking > at the documentation on the OSE Wiki and attempting to build one yourselves > if you have a workshop.
> Best regards, > Will
> 2012/4/4 Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com>
> I'll be almost without internet for a few days. I hope this helps. In any > case, back on Monday!
> Lucas
> El 4 de abril de 2012 11:16, Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr> escribió:
> *Hello,* > * > * > *After a long time of meetings etc., the University of Cyprus has decided > to continue with the purchase of the 'LIBERATOR'. This is why they have > asked me to contact you again regarding the following issues:* > * > * > *1. Who must we contact for the actual purchase of the CEB press?* > *2. We would also like to have the designs of the press.* > *3. How much would the press cost along with the shipping to Cyprus?* > *4. How long would it take for the press to arrive to Cyprus?* > *5. If assistance is needed for the setting up of the press here in > Cyprus, who would be able to help us and how much would his assistance cost? > * > * > * > *Considering that the University needs to receive the press as soon as > possible along with the designs, in order to be able to continue with the > investigation project, I'm looking forward to your prompt reply.* > * > * > *Thank you in advance, * > * > * > * > * > * > * > *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect* > * > * > Between > an office of urban architecture > * > ------------------------------ > * > the Lines
> CYPRUS 56-58 Theseus str.1016 Medieval City of Nicosia > +357.99523715 > SPAIN Paseo San José Obrero 1, 1ş, C 34004 Palencia > +34.690135475
> ------------------------------ > *From:* Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com> > *To:* Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>; William Cleaver < > willclea...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: ´Liberator´ Prensa para BTC
> María, copio a Will para informarle.
> Hi, Will, English from me, but Spanish below, and more details as needed!
> My mainland-Spain contact has contacts in Chipre. They would like to buy a > CEB-Press to use it then sell it to someone local. They'll be making > decisions in about a week, so I'd like to clarify things in the next couple > of days to give them some room.
> Do you think it would be possible for them to buy from this side of the > pond? One of the things they are thinking of is about making bricks of a > different size, if possible.
> Ok, rushing for family meal. Later!
> Lucas
> El 5 de febrero de 2012 20:09, Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>escribió:
> Hola Lucas
> Gracias por tu email.
> La verdad es que yo tambien estoy esperando a que me conteste la gente > encargada, qué va hacer con este tema. > En el momento que sepa (que será en 1-2 semanas) las cosas tendran que ir > rápido. Necesitaría los dibujos y todos los detalles de la máquina, más > pedirla on-line y ver cuanto costaría el envío, y cuánto tardaría en > llegar. Mi profesor está bastante convencido con la máquina Liberator asi > que hay una posibilidad bastante grande en comprarla.
> De las dos fuentes que habla Franz en Episkopi y Limassol, no sabemos > nada. Me parece bastante extrańo por que de momento, la Universidad de > Chipre es la única investigando el tema. No he entendido muy bien lo del " > proposal" que necesita Franz.
> Nosotros no tenemos ninguna 'propuesta' si no queremos simplemente comprar > una maquina de fabricar BTC cubriendo los fondos de una subención que han > concedido a la Universidad. Esa maquina se utilizara principalmente en > nuestro laboratorio para investigación y en un futuro se vendería a un > fabricante local. Por eso sería bueno si consiguiéramos un molde de 30 X 22 > X 7 hasta 10cm ou otro tamańo todavia mas cercano a las dimensiones > tradicionales sería 45X15X7.
> Un adobe tradicional mide 45X30X6cm y el espesor del muro es 45cm (se pone > un solo adobe). Sabemos que es impossible encontrar una maquina hoy en dia > de fabricar ese tamańo debido a la fuerza de comprensión que necesitaría > más la debilidad del bloque fabricado. Por eso en general no insistimos en > encontrar los moldes esos si no traer una maquina que sea buena y con buen > ritmo de producción.
> De momento lo importante es encontrar los dibujos del Liberator, por que > no conseguí encontrarles en el enlace que me mandaste. A partir de ahí, se > les presentaré en la proxima reunión que tendremos en 1 semana, a ver que > dice el resto del grupo sobre el tema.
> Gracias y seguimos en contacto
> *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect/director ** * > * > * > Between > an office of urban architecture > * > ------------------------------ > *
nikolay.h.georg...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Maria,
> I am not aware of anyone of us who can so build the CEB Press for you. > Best would be You to find the people in your country who can take the open > source plans and build the machine.
> Best Regards, > Nikolay > On Apr 16, 2012 8:34 AM, "Maria Costi" <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr> wrote:
>> Good day!
>> As I haven't received any response to my following message, I'm >> forwarding it again in case it was not delivered correctly. If there is any >> information on who could manufacture the Liberator Press for us, please let >> us know.
>> Thank you
>> *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect* >> * >> * >> Between >> an office of urban architecture >> * >> ------------------------------ >> * >> the Lines
>> CYPRUS 56-58 Theseus str.1016 Medieval City of Nicosia >> +357.99523715 >> SPAIN Paseo San José Obrero 1, 1ş, C 34004 Palencia >> +34.690135475
>> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr> >> *To:* "monove...@gmail.com" <monove...@gmail.com>; " >> bria...@kufadesigns.com" <bria...@kufadesigns.com>; " >> OpenSourceEcol...@gmail.com" <OpenSourceEcol...@gmail.com>; Nikolay >> Georgiev <nikolay.h.georg...@googlemail.com> >> *Cc:* Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com>; Will Cleaver < >> willclea...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2012 10:32 AM >> *Subject:* ´Liberator´ press for the University of Cyprus.
>> Hello,
>> After having studied various options for the purchase of a CEB Press, the >> University of Cyprus has decided to purchase the 'LIBERATOR' Press. Our >> contact in Spain initially was Lucas Gonzalez which informed us that the >> purchase of the materials for setting up the press was around 4400euros, >> a price which is in our budget. We also would need the designs of the >> press. At the moment we only have the >> Complete Fabrication Instructions, 2011, c >> ompiled by Brianna Kufa which are very informative, but we would alsoneed the ACAD designs, >> as this is a demand the sponsoring organisation has.
>> We are contacting you for assistence in the following issues:
>> 1. Who (manufacturer or seller) must we contact for the actual purchase >> of the Liberator CEB press? I understand that Jose Bravo and Brianna are >> manufacturers? >> 2. We would also like to have the designs of the press. >> 3. How much would the press cost along with the shipping to Cyprus? >> 4. How long would it take for us to receive the press in Cyprus? >> 5. If assistance is needed for the setting up of the press here in >> Cyprus, who would be able to help us and how much would his assistance cost?
>> Considering that the University needs to receive the press as soon as >> possible along with the designs, in order to be able to continue with >> the investigation project, I'm looking forward to your prompt reply.
>> Thank you in advance,
>> *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect* >> * >> * >> Between >> an office of urban architecture >> * >> ------------------------------ >> * >> the Lines
>> CYPRUS 56-58 Theseus str.1016 Medieval City of Nicosia >> +357.99523715 >> SPAIN Paseo San José Obrero 1, 1ş, C 34004 Palencia >> +34.690135475
>> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Will Cleaver <willclea...@gmail.com> >> *To:* Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com> >> *Cc:* Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>; Nikolay Georgiev < >> nikolay.h.georg...@googlemail.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:34 PM >> *Subject:* Re: ´Liberator´ press for the University of Cyprus.
>> Hi Maria,
>> I recommend you email "Jose Bravo" <monove...@gmail.com>, he is a metal >> fabricator and is at Factor e Farm in Missouri, US right now. Also try >> "Brianna" <bria...@kufadesigns.com>, She built a few CEB presses at >> Factor e Farm last year and might be building them in San Diego now too?.. >> Then of course there is "Marcin Jakubowski" <OpenSourceEcol...@gmail.com>, >> but if he is too busy he may not reply to you.
>> I hope you can find a solution. There is also the possibility of looking >> at the documentation on the OSE Wiki and attempting to build one yourselves >> if you have a workshop.
>> Best regards, >> Will
>> 2012/4/4 Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com>
>> I'll be almost without internet for a few days. I hope this helps. In any >> case, back on Monday!
>> Lucas
>> El 4 de abril de 2012 11:16, Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>escribió:
>> *Hello,* >> * >> * >> *After a long time of meetings etc., the University of Cyprus has >> decided to continue with the purchase of the 'LIBERATOR'. This is why they >> have asked me to contact you again regarding the following issues:* >> * >> * >> *1. Who must we contact for the actual purchase of the CEB press?* >> *2. We would also like to have the designs of the press.* >> *3. How much would the press cost along with the shipping to Cyprus?* >> *4. How long would it take for the press to arrive to Cyprus?* >> *5. If assistance is needed for the setting up of the press here in >> Cyprus, who would be able to help us and how much would his assistance cost? >> * >> * >> * >> *Considering that the University needs to receive the press as soon as >> possible along with the designs, in order to be able to continue with the >> investigation project, I'm looking forward to your prompt reply.* >> * >> * >> *Thank you in advance, * >> * >> * >> * >> * >> * >> * >> *Maria Costi de Castrillo - architect* >> * >> * >> Between >> an office of urban architecture >> * >> ------------------------------ >> * >> the Lines
>> CYPRUS 56-58 Theseus str.1016 Medieval City of Nicosia >> +357.99523715 >> SPAIN Paseo San José Obrero 1, 1ş, C 34004 Palencia >> +34.690135475
>> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Lucas González <lucas.gonzalez...@gmail.com> >> *To:* Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>; William Cleaver < >> willclea...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:17 PM >> *Subject:* Re: ´Liberator´ Prensa para BTC
>> María, copio a Will para informarle.
>> Hi, Will, English from me, but Spanish below, and more details as needed!
>> My mainland-Spain contact has contacts in Chipre. They would like to buy >> a CEB-Press to use it then sell it to someone local. They'll be making >> decisions in about a week, so I'd like to clarify things in the next couple >> of days to give them some room.
>> Do you think it would be possible for them to buy from this side of the >> pond? One of the things they are thinking of is about making bricks of a >> different size, if possible.
>> Ok, rushing for family meal. Later!
>> Lucas
>> El 5 de febrero de 2012 20:09, Maria Costi <mar_a_co...@yahoo.gr>escribió:
>> Hola Lucas
>> Gracias por tu email.
>> La verdad es que yo tambien estoy esperando a que me conteste la gente >> encargada, qué va hacer con este tema. >> En el momento que sepa (que será en 1-2 semanas) las cosas tendran que ir >> rápido. Necesitaría los dibujos y todos los detalles de la máquina, más >> pedirla on-line y ver cuanto costaría el envío, y cuánto tardaría en >> llegar. Mi profesor está bastante convencido con la máquina Liberator asi >> que
I'm just curious, do You build the press according to FeF plans with
imperial dimensions or did You already convert the plans to metric
standards?
Maybe in the UK it's still easier to get parts with imperial sizes
while in continental europe its very difficult. Raw materials in small
quantities aren't sold; You can buy parts like bolts and ball bearings
in imperial dimensions but You pay a big extra for that. And there's
no local supplier for these parts, You will have to order it by mail.
> I'm just curious, do You build the press according to FeF plans with > imperial dimensions or did You already convert the plans to metric > standards?
> Maybe in the UK it's still easier to get parts with imperial sizes > while in continental europe its very difficult. Raw materials in small > quantities aren't sold; You can buy parts like bolts and ball bearings > in imperial dimensions but You pay a big extra for that. And there's > no local supplier for these parts, You will have to order it by mail.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 02:35, Darren <m...@vegburner.co.uk> wrote: > Open Source Permaculture nearing the finish line - 7 hours & $485 to go. > http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture
Horto domi is an open hardware raised-bed garden unit with environmental control and monitoring via web-interface thanks to Arduino Ethernet. DIY sensors, such as those collecting moisture and temperature data help monitor the environment within the dome and will eventually be used to automate conditions. The goal is to grow whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you are.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Simone Cortesi <sim...@cortesi.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 02:35, Darren <m...@vegburner.co.uk> wrote: > > Open Source Permaculture nearing the finish line - 7 hours & $485 to go. > > http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture
> Horto domi is an open hardware raised-bed garden unit with > environmental control and monitoring via web-interface thanks to > Arduino Ethernet. DIY sensors, such as those collecting moisture and > temperature data help monitor the environment within the dome and will > eventually be used to automate conditions. The goal is to grow > whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you are.
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 02:35, Darren <m...@vegburner.co.uk> wrote: >> Open Source Permaculture nearing the finish line - 7 hours & $485 to go. >> http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture
> Horto domi is an open hardware raised-bed garden unit with > environmental control and monitoring via web-interface thanks to > Arduino Ethernet. DIY sensors, such as those collecting moisture and > temperature data help monitor the environment within the dome and will > eventually be used to automate conditions. The goal is to grow > whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you are.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 14:36, Jamie Clarke <jamieclarke...@gmail.com> wrote: > Simone check out my YouTube channel if you interested in computer controlled domes
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 02:35, Darren <m...@vegburner.co.uk> wrote: >> Open Source Permaculture nearing the finish line - 7 hours & $485 to go. >> http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture
> Horto domi is an open hardware raised-bed garden unit with > environmental control and monitoring via web-interface thanks to > Arduino Ethernet. DIY sensors, such as those collecting moisture and > temperature data help monitor the environment within the dome and will > eventually be used to automate conditions. The goal is to grow > whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you are.
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 14:36, Jamie Clarke <jamieclarke...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Simone check out my YouTube channel if you interested in computer controlled domes
Some shops still use it over here but increasingly many aren't.
Having the designs in imperial isn't a major hurdle to overcome, but it still is a hurdle which will put many people off from building. Because of this I'm converting everything to metric. Once the press is built and I've made sure that these measurements work then I'll release a metric/international measurements designs so others can use them.
Planning things out beforehand in CAD/sketchup also helps.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Bastelmike <mischa...@yahoo.de> wrote: > Hi Adam,
> I'm just curious, do You build the press according to FeF plans with > imperial dimensions or did You already convert the plans to metric > standards?
> Maybe in the UK it's still easier to get parts with imperial sizes > while in continental europe its very difficult. Raw materials in small > quantities aren't sold; You can buy parts like bolts and ball bearings > in imperial dimensions but You pay a big extra for that. And there's > no local supplier for these parts, You will have to order it by mail.
Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that You
can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You use
the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your design
have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs pretty
much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple
manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't
work, You have to change everything to metric standards for profiles,
bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to change
the dimensions of many parts, holes....
Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a metrification
of th CEB press.
This is something I have mentioned to Marcin as well, all machines made at FeF will have to be "Europeanized to account for parts availability and sizing differences/
Robert
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:24:09 +0200 Bastelmike <mischa...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
>If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that >You >can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You >use >the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your >design >have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs >pretty >much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple >manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
>You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't >work, You have to change everything to metric standards for >profiles, >bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to >change >the dimensions of many parts, holes....
>Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a >metrification >of th CEB press.
>Mike
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Bastelmike and Robert are right. It is impossible to just "convert" the imperial sizes into the metric system. There are no metric ball bearings or raw materials with a diameter of 25.4mm. Some parts have to fit very tight and every 1/100 mm counts. Metric material can be purchased precision ground, but not in the odd sizes of 3/8" and so on.
The world is metric while the USA are still behind ;-)
*The metric system is 10.00 times better.*
Cheers,
Shure
On 17 April 2012 20:50, <ant...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> This is something I have mentioned to Marcin as well, all machines > made at FeF will have to be "Europeanized to account for parts > availability and sizing differences/
> >Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
> >If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that > >You > >can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You > >use > >the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your > >design > >have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs > >pretty > >much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple > >manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
> >You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't > >work, You have to change everything to metric standards for > >profiles, > >bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to > >change > >the dimensions of many parts, holes....
> >Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a > >metrification > >of th CEB press.
> >Mike > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Charset: UTF8 > Version: Hush 3.0 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify
yes..that is the task....convert everything....that is what i said....yes it take time and work,adapt your machine to your resources,but is not something really structural or imposible....no? i fact im working in fef with imperial stuff and i use a tape in metric ...because is more acurate
> Bastelmike and Robert are right. It is impossible to just "convert" the > imperial sizes into the metric system. There are no metric ball bearings or > raw materials with a diameter of 25.4mm. Some parts have to fit very tight > and every 1/100 mm counts. Metric material can be purchased precision > ground, but not in the odd sizes of 3/8" and so on.
> The world is metric while the USA are still behind ;-)
> *The metric system is 10.00 times better.*
> Cheers,
> Shure
> On 17 April 2012 20:50, <ant...@hushmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello All,
>> This is something I have mentioned to Marcin as well, all machines >> made at FeF will have to be "Europeanized to account for parts >> availability and sizing differences/
>> >Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
>> >If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that >> >You >> >can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You >> >use >> >the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your >> >design >> >have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs >> >pretty >> >much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple >> >manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
>> >You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't >> >work, You have to change everything to metric standards for >> >profiles, >> >bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to >> >change >> >the dimensions of many parts, holes....
>> >Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a >> >metrification >> >of th CEB press.
>> >Mike >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Charset: UTF8 >> Version: Hush 3.0 >> Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify
When do you think you will release the metric version? I'm hoping to do a build in school, starting in fall. What about BOM? Sourcing from UK won't be very cheap generally, but having at least one reliable source for the hydraulics would be very good. You might even consider selling some harder to source parts yourself to European replicators?
> Some shops still use it over here but increasingly many aren't.
> Having the designs in imperial isn't a major hurdle to overcome, but it > still is a hurdle which will put many people off from building. Because > of this I'm converting everything to metric. Once the press is built and > I've made sure that these measurements work then I'll release a > metric/international measurements designs so others can use them.
> Planning things out beforehand in CAD/sketchup also helps.
> Adam
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Bastelmike <mischa...@yahoo.de > <mailto:mischa...@yahoo.de>> wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> I'm just curious, do You build the press according to FeF plans with > imperial dimensions or did You already convert the plans to metric > standards?
> Maybe in the UK it's still easier to get parts with imperial sizes > while in continental europe its very difficult. Raw materials in small > quantities aren't sold; You can buy parts like bolts and ball bearings > in imperial dimensions but You pay a big extra for that. And there's > no local supplier for these parts, You will have to order it by mail.
> yes..that is the task....convert everything....that is what i said....yes > it take time and work,adapt your machine to your resources,but is not > something really structural or imposible....no? > i fact im working in fef with imperial stuff and i use a tape in metric > ...because is more acurate
>> Bastelmike and Robert are right. It is impossible to just "convert" the >> imperial sizes into the metric system. There are no metric ball bearings or >> raw materials with a diameter of 25.4mm. Some parts have to fit very tight >> and every 1/100 mm counts. Metric material can be purchased precision >> ground, but not in the odd sizes of 3/8" and so on.
>> The world is metric while the USA are still behind ;-)
>> *The metric system is 10.00 times better.*
>> Cheers,
>> Shure
>> On 17 April 2012 20:50, <ant...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1
>>> Hello All,
>>> This is something I have mentioned to Marcin as well, all machines >>> made at FeF will have to be "Europeanized to account for parts >>> availability and sizing differences/
>>> >Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
>>> >If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that >>> >You >>> >can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You >>> >use >>> >the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your >>> >design >>> >have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs >>> >pretty >>> >much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple >>> >manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
>>> >You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't >>> >work, You have to change everything to metric standards for >>> >profiles, >>> >bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to >>> >change >>> >the dimensions of many parts, holes....
>>> >Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a >>> >metrification >>> >of th CEB press.
>>> >Mike >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Charset: UTF8 >>> Version: Hush 3.0 >>> Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify
> and make also for the wiki europeanised versions.
> Later,
> Joost
> Op woensdag 18 april 2012 02:43:59 UTC+2 schreef Jose Bravo het volgende:
>> yes..that is the task....convert everything....that is what i said....yes >> it take time and work,adapt your machine to your resources,but is not >> something really structural or imposible....no? >> i fact im working in fef with imperial stuff and i use a tape in metric >> ...because is more acurate
>> and it works
>> 2012/4/17 Alex Shure <etemu....@googlemail.com>
>>> Bastelmike and Robert are right. It is impossible to just "convert" the >>> imperial sizes into the metric system. There are no metric ball bearings or >>> raw materials with a diameter of 25.4mm. Some parts have to fit very tight >>> and every 1/100 mm counts. Metric material can be purchased precision >>> ground, but not in the odd sizes of 3/8" and so on.
>>> The world is metric while the USA are still behind ;-)
>>> *The metric system is 10.00 times better.*
>>> Cheers,
>>> Shure
>>> On 17 April 2012 20:50, <ant...@hushmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hello All,
>>>> This is something I have mentioned to Marcin as well, all machines >>>> made at FeF will have to be "Europeanized to account for parts >>>> availability and sizing differences/
>>>> >Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
>>>> >If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that >>>> >You >>>> >can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You >>>> >use >>>> >the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your >>>> >design >>>> >have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs >>>> >pretty >>>> >much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple >>>> >manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
>>>> >You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't >>>> >work, You have to change everything to metric standards for >>>> >profiles, >>>> >bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to >>>> >change >>>> >the dimensions of many parts, holes....
>>>> >Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a >>>> >metrification >>>> >of th CEB press.
and even improving FeF designs..as core values donot match and for simplicity in fabrication they should've started with international system of measurment.
I expect understood people in europe help in improving designs and even the documentation. would like to see understandable docuements for easy replication. I see that mopst of OSE's work it`s mostly inefficient as in their social organisation (hierachical) as in product ecology.
>> and make also for the wiki europeanised versions.
>> Later,
>> Joost
>> Op woensdag 18 april 2012 02:43:59 UTC+2 schreef Jose Bravo het volgende:
>>> yes..that is the task....convert everything....that is what i >>> said....yes it take time and work,adapt your machine to your resources,but >>> is not something really structural or imposible....no? >>> i fact im working in fef with imperial stuff and i use a tape in metric >>> ...because is more acurate
>>> and it works
>>> 2012/4/17 Alex Shure <etemu....@googlemail.com>
>>>> Bastelmike and Robert are right. It is impossible to just "convert" the >>>> imperial sizes into the metric system. There are no metric ball bearings or >>>> raw materials with a diameter of 25.4mm. Some parts have to fit very tight >>>> and every 1/100 mm counts. Metric material can be purchased precision >>>> ground, but not in the odd sizes of 3/8" and so on.
>>>> The world is metric while the USA are still behind ;-)
>>>> *The metric system is 10.00 times better.*
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Shure
>>>> On 17 April 2012 20:50, <ant...@hushmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> This is something I have mentioned to Marcin as well, all machines >>>>> made at FeF will have to be "Europeanized to account for parts >>>>> availability and sizing differences/
>>>>> >Your statement over-simplifies the task of metrification !
>>>>> >If You convert the inches to millimetres, You will find out that >>>>> >You >>>>> >can't buy these dimensions of raw material in metrics. And if You >>>>> >use >>>>> >the next standardized metric dimension, many dimensions in Your >>>>> >design >>>>> >have to be changed. Or You end up with a machine that differs >>>>> >pretty >>>>> >much from the Fef design. A quick-attach-plate converted in simple >>>>> >manner to metric will not fit to qat-implements.
>>>>> >You should acknowledge that a simple numerical conversion doesn't >>>>> >work, You have to change everything to metric standards for >>>>> >profiles, >>>>> >bolts, ball bearings and so on. After doing this You have to >>>>> >change >>>>> >the dimensions of many parts, holes....
>>>>> >Thats why I was curious if openator have already done a >>>>> >metrification >>>>> >of th CEB press.
