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Nikolay Georgiev  
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 More options May 19 2012, 9:09 am
From: Nikolay Georgiev <nikolay.h.georg...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:09:48 +0200
Local: Sat, May 19 2012 9:09 am
Subject: Cube of Destiny

Hi everyone,

Franz Nahrada connected me with Erwin Wimmer from Austria there development
a technology using hydrothermal
carbonization<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_carbonization>
.

In a closed container (Cube):
INPUT: biomass (best is algae) + sea or waste water
PROCESS: are strongly pressured under 180°C and citric acid is used as
catalyst
OUTPUT: topsoil, petroleum precursor (few minutes reaction), brown coals
(12 minutes hours) and drinking water.

the produced topsoil was tested on plants.
the pressure is so big that it broke few containers.
Energy Input/Energy Output = 0,8% for the start
To maintain the reaction energy from the carbon in the biomass is used.

Erwin Wimmer says that the Cube is 80% ready. He says that the process is
2x more efficient than biogas.
You can find more information here in German: http://ifile.it/sbdfyez .
Youtube business presentation in German:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOQGOL_v74

Erwin has some desire to open source the process. If any of you is
interested we can speak with him on the phone or Skype.

Nikolay

--
Nikolay Georgiev
osede.org - Open Source Ecology Germany | Contacts:
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Nikolay_Georgiev


 
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Daniel Connell  
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 More options May 19 2012, 9:54 am
From: Daniel Connell <solarflower....@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:54:22 +0100
Local: Sat, May 19 2012 9:54 am
Subject: Re: [OSE-Europe] Cube of Destiny
Sounds interesting, what's the actual process and what's the pressure?

 
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Alex Shure  
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 More options May 19 2012, 10:23 am
From: Alex Shure <etemu....@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:23:35 +0200
Local: Sat, May 19 2012 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [OSE-Europe] Cube of Destiny

A pressure of 20 bar is enough, the process is self sustained after an
initial energy input for heating the mass to 180°C.

I have not yet tested this. It is claimed that bio mass with citric acid
[E-330] in a pressure safe tank heated to 180°C will be enough to get the
process going.

Interesting claim!

Shure

On 19 May 2012 15:54, Daniel Connell <solarflower....@googlemail.com> wrote:


 
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Daniel Connell  
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 More options May 19 2012, 10:44 am
From: Daniel Connell <solarflower....@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:44:05 +0100
Local: Sat, May 19 2012 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [OSE-Europe] Cube of Destiny

20 bar? Achievable, but a little intimidating...
What were they using for a container that blew up? Could one just use an
old gas bottle? Is it necessary to vent the pressure to take out your
soil/water/etc?
What's the process for the thing?


 
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Alex Shure  
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 More options May 19 2012, 8:15 pm
From: Alex Shure <etemu....@googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 02:15:09 +0200
Local: Sat, May 19 2012 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: [OSE-Europe] Cube of Destiny

On 19 May 2012 16:44, Daniel Connell <solarflower....@googlemail.com> wrote:

> 20 bar? Achievable, but a little intimidating...

They don't really explain any details. What's missing is also the end
product weight or volumes.
But they definitely claim that it is exothermic.

> What were they using for a container that blew up?

I don't know either, but they should have used a security valve to blow off
at over 25 bar or so.

They don't mention any input volumes and if air is needed. If it isn't,
then I would just fill all the ingredients in, add water to the max and
leave 10ml air for the external air pressure gauge ;) If the thing blows up
then there won't happen much, contrary to an air tank where shrapnel would
be blown all around.
So my guess is there is air needed, else it wouldn't be so complicated?

> Could one just use an old gas bottle? Is it necessary to vent the pressure
> to take out your soil/water/etc?

Yes it is, for now. It is said to be fairly cheap, also. At 300 - 900 EUR,
I second that. I can imagine a system where the pressure is stored and
reused, but that would be more complicated.

> What's the process for the thing?

They claim it is a carbonization, where the biomass is converted into more
useful stuff. 20% of the carbon is used in the process for the heating
(hence exothermic), 80% is present in the resulting
fuel/soil/oil/charcoal/...

I did not research further, if you have any news or better background
information then please share it. I stopped researching when I read
something in the "free energy will save the world" style and because of the
fact, that it is not yet on the market, nor has the principle proven to be
successful or popular since it has been tested for over 40 years now.

See ya,

Shure


 
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