Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
we need to make our website interactive and have the function that suitable for developers to visit and use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from the community.
Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know view and suggestion from the others.
Saya fikir pun begitu jugak.
Forum untuk perbincangan tertutup antara developer penting, dan juga 2-3
topik khas utk feedback pengunjung.
Senang cerita kena buat ala-ala sourceforge la cemgitu.
Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit
kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga
Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek
tersebut.
Tapi disebabkan forum dan mailing-list nih fungsi dia hampir sama, untuk
berbincang, jadi kena la letakkan fungsi yang spesifik.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
> we need to make our website interactive and have the function that
> suitable for developers to visit and
> use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from
> the community.
> Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know
> view and suggestion from
> the others.
static/blog main site (for news) + wiki + google groups MailingList
... thats the bare minimum (which i doubt people will actually use
them fully - except for the ML) .. anything else, are extras, add only
when really needed and knowing that people will actually use it ...
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, aziman noor <azi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Saya fikir pun begitu jugak.
> Forum untuk perbincangan tertutup antara developer penting, dan juga 2-3 topik khas utk feedback pengunjung.
> Senang cerita kena buat ala-ala sourceforge la cemgitu.
> Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek tersebut.
> Tapi disebabkan forum dan mailing-list nih fungsi dia hampir sama, untuk berbincang, jadi kena la letakkan fungsi yang spesifik.
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Assalamualaikum and Salam Sejahtera
>> Meeting last night AJK and supported by members that attending the
>> meeting decided to revamp the website.
>> Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
>> we need to make our website interactive and have the function that
>> suitable for developers to visit and
>> use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from
>> the community.
>> Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know
>> view and suggestion from
>> the others.
Salam / Good Day,
Yang penting ada lantik webmaster yang boleh maintain sendiri semua
apps tu. Kalau ada orang sponsor pun, still kena ada orang dalam
osdc.my yang tau macam mana nak manage semua.
Ahmad Amran Kapi
Art In Software Sdn Bhd
Suite 2.5 Inkubator K-Ekonomi
75450 Ayer Keroh
Melaka.
06-2322464 / 013-6102545
http://www.aist.com.my
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Izhar Firdaus<kagesenshi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> static/blog main site (for news) + wiki + google groups MailingList
> ... thats the bare minimum (which i doubt people will actually use
> them fully - except for the ML) .. anything else, are extras, add only
> when really needed and knowing that people will actually use it ...
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, aziman noor <azi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Saya fikir pun begitu jugak.
>> Forum untuk perbincangan tertutup antara developer penting, dan juga 2-3 topik khas utk feedback pengunjung.
>> Senang cerita kena buat ala-ala sourceforge la cemgitu.
>> Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek tersebut.
>> Tapi disebabkan forum dan mailing-list nih fungsi dia hampir sama, untuk berbincang, jadi kena la letakkan fungsi yang spesifik.
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Assalamualaikum and Salam Sejahtera
>>> Meeting last night AJK and supported by members that attending the
>>> meeting decided to revamp the website.
>>> Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
>>> we need to make our website interactive and have the function that
>>> suitable for developers to visit and
>>> use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from
>>> the community.
>>> Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know
>>> view and suggestion from
>>> the others.
Ahmad Amran Kapi wrote:
> Salam / Good Day,
> Yang penting ada lantik webmaster yang boleh maintain sendiri semua
> apps tu. Kalau ada orang sponsor pun, still kena ada orang dalam
> osdc.my yang tau macam mana nak manage semua.
> Ahmad Amran Kapi
> Art In Software Sdn Bhd
> Suite 2.5 Inkubator K-Ekonomi
> 75450 Ayer Keroh
> Melaka.
> 06-2322464 / 013-6102545
> http://www.aist.com.my
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Izhar Firdaus<kagesenshi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> static/blog main site (for news) + wiki + google groups MailingList
>> ... thats the bare minimum (which i doubt people will actually use
>> them fully - except for the ML) .. anything else, are extras, add only
>> when really needed and knowing that people will actually use it ...
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, aziman noor <azi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Saya fikir pun begitu jugak.
>>> Forum untuk perbincangan tertutup antara developer penting, dan juga 2-3 topik khas utk feedback pengunjung.
>>> Senang cerita kena buat ala-ala sourceforge la cemgitu.
>>> Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek tersebut.
>>> Tapi disebabkan forum dan mailing-list nih fungsi dia hampir sama, untuk berbincang, jadi kena la letakkan fungsi yang spesifik.
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Assalamualaikum and Salam Sejahtera
>>>> Meeting last night AJK and supported by members that attending the
>>>> meeting decided to revamp the website.
>>>> Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
>>>> we need to make our website interactive and have the function that
>>>> suitable for developers to visit and
>>>> use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from
>>>> the community.
>>>> Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know
>>>> view and suggestion from
>>>> the others.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, aziman noor<azi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit > kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga > Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek > tersebut.
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, aziman noor<azi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit
>> kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga
>> Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek
>> tersebut.
> Siapa tu Circle 7?
some fancy term they invent to represent the 7 people needed to
register the organization ..
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Izhar Firdaus<kagesenshi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/6/25 Ang Chin Han <ang.chin....@gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, aziman noor<azi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Saper rasa nak buat projek bagus dan gunakan subdomain OSDC.my, kena submit >>> kertas kerja online untuk approval dari Circle 7 bahagian penjaga >>> Developers. Untuk approval pun kena tetapkan kriteria satu-satu projek >>> tersebut.
>> Siapa tu Circle 7?
> some fancy term they invent to represent the 7 people needed to > register the organization ..
> some sort of 'high committee'
Sudah tukar.. hehehe Circle of 8....
What we called for AJK penaja for OSDC.my .... Fasal 9 Perlembagaan...
What, no more social network? I was just growing to like it
> Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
> we need to make our website interactive and have the function that > suitable for developers to visit and > use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from > the community.
Developers feel at home on mailing lists and IRC. Its _users_ who feel the need that they need to have forums
Sharing their projects. How will this be different from Freshmeat or Sourceforge? If the sole aim is to be a "Malaysian forge", would a list alone not be enough, on a page, rather than having it be something that will not be very populated?
Code can be hosted on the numerous services available - sourceforge, google code, github, etc. You just need pointers (links).
But again, I don't see that as having much traction, per se
Support from community - why not get it via the mailing list?
> Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know > view and suggestion from > the others.
So, the mailing list already exists. A social network exists.
Why not extend the social network to include "projects" the person is involved in?
What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki software (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs updates quite constantly).
Besides, project hosting sites, like google code, kenai, et al all offer wikis
HTH -c
-- Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
> What, no more social network? I was just growing to like it
> > Our website should contain information about our OSDC.my and
> > we need to make our website interactive and have the function that
> > suitable for developers to visit and
> > use it to discuss and share their projects and getting support from
> > the community.
> Developers feel at home on mailing lists and IRC. Its _users_ who feel
> the need that they need to have forums
> Sharing their projects. How will this be different from Freshmeat or
> Sourceforge? If the sole aim is to be a "Malaysian forge", would a list
> alone not be enough, on a page, rather than having it be something that
> will not be very populated?
> Code can be hosted on the numerous services available - sourceforge,
> google code, github, etc. You just need pointers (links).
> But again, I don't see that as having much traction, per se
> Support from community - why not get it via the mailing list?
> > Suggestion like Forum, Wiki, Mailing List and more but we want to know
> > view and suggestion from
> > the others.
> So, the mailing list already exists. A social network exists.
> Why not extend the social network to include "projects" the person is
> involved in?
> What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki software
> (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs updates quite
> constantly).
jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
> Besides, project hosting sites, like google code, kenai, et al all offer
> wikis
> HTH
> -c
> --
> Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki > software > > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs > updates quite > > > constantly).
> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during > event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you require it
of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted, go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the open, and just a little more "private"?
-- Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
> On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>> software
>> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>> updates quite
>> > > constantly).
>> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
> outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you require it
> of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
> go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
> event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
> open, and just a little more "private"?
haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
ways .. cant say much ..
right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
which imo, not needed ..
currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
> --
> Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
that we want to.
you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
this is registered CLUB.
if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..) joker.my
website.
Thanks,
Nasrul
Not An Ambassador of Any Society
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
> >> software
> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
> >> updates quite
> >> > > constantly).
> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
> require it
> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
> > open, and just a little more "private"?
> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
> ways .. cant say much ..
> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
> which imo, not needed ..
> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
> > --
> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ > > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Saya sebulat suara menyokong hujah sang nasrul... (untuk ambassadorless
punyer komuniti ada tak .. mau join ada boleh kaa.. aktiviti dia makan2
muahahahaha)
> Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
> if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
> OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
> can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
> that we want to.
> you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
> don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
> now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
> INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
> group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
> this is registered CLUB.
> if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
> membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
> reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
> publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
> and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
> any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
> they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
> If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..) joker.my
> website.
> Thanks,
> Nasrul
> Not An Ambassador of Any Society
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
>> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>> >> software
>> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>> >> updates quite
>> >> > > constantly).
>> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
>> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
>> require it
>> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
>> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
>> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
>> > open, and just a little more "private"?
>> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
>> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
>> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
>> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
>> ways .. cant say much ..
>> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
>> which imo, not needed ..
>> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
>> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
>> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
>> > --
>> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ >> > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Whoah this is getting overheated. I don't think kage mean any harm or opening up the organization or anythg. Its just that the best way for open source association is to open up n share. And yes they are things that shld be kept in private, but for activities etc imho, wiki is the best way to get everyone involve.
On the other end, although we are society just like umno etc, we are not here to politics. We are here to be the guardian of foss and fostering the movement in malaysia.
Just my 2 cents. And I also thinks all opinion counts to make us a better association/society.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:04:28 To: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Revamping OSDC.my Website
Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
that we want to.
you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
this is registered CLUB.
if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..) joker.my
website.
Thanks,
Nasrul
Not An Ambassador of Any Society
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
> >> software
> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
> >> updates quite
> >> > > constantly).
> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
> require it
> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
> > open, and just a little more "private"?
> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
> ways .. cant say much ..
> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
> which imo, not needed ..
> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
> > --
> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ > > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
> Saya sebulat suara menyokong hujah sang nasrul... (untuk ambassadorless
> punyer komuniti ada tak .. mau join ada boleh kaa.. aktiviti dia makan2
> muahahahaha)
> Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
>> if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
>> OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
>> can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
>> that we want to.
>> you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
>> don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
>> now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
>> INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
>> group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
>> this is registered CLUB.
>> if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
>> membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
>> reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
>> publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
>> and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
>> any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
>> they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
>> If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..)
>> joker.my website.
>> Thanks,
>> Nasrul
>> Not An Ambassador of Any Society
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
>>> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>>> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>>> >> software
>>> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>>> >> updates quite
>>> >> > > constantly).
>>> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>>> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
>>> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
>>> require it
>>> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
>>> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
>>> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
>>> > open, and just a little more "private"?
>>> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
>>> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
>>> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
>>> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
>>> ways .. cant say much ..
>>> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
>>> which imo, not needed ..
>>> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
>>> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
>>> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
>>> > --
>>> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ >>> > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>>> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Example: NEF is not for politic. but do you think you can access all their
information?
We don't have to be the guardian of FOSS since there are FOSS.my. xbaik la
nak potong rezeki org. (sniri paham lah...)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Syamsul Anuar <wari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoah this is getting overheated. I don't think kage mean any harm or
> opening up the organization or anythg. Its just that the best way for open
> source association is to open up n share. And yes they are things that shld
> be kept in private, but for activities etc imho, wiki is the best way to get
> everyone involve.
> On the other end, although we are society just like umno etc, we are not
> here to politics. We are here to be the guardian of foss and fostering the
> movement in malaysia.
> Just my 2 cents. And I also thinks all opinion counts to make us a better
> association/society.
> Regards,
> -wariola-
> Sent via BlackBerry from Maxis
> ------------------------------
> *From*: Nasrul Amri Samsudin
> *Date*: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:04:28 +0800
> *To*: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject*: [osdcmy-public] Re: Revamping OSDC.my Website
> Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
> if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
> OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
> can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
> that we want to.
> you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
> don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
> now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
> INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
> group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
> this is registered CLUB.
> if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
> membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
> reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
> publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
> and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
> any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
> they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
> If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..) joker.my
> website.
> Thanks,
> Nasrul
> Not An Ambassador of Any Society
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
>> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>> >> software
>> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>> >> updates quite
>> >> > > constantly).
>> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
>> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
>> require it
>> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
>> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
>> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
>> > open, and just a little more "private"?
>> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
>> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
>> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
>> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
>> ways .. cant say much ..
>> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
>> which imo, not needed ..
>> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
>> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
>> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
>> > --
>> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ >> > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
That's why I waiting Kage can seat during meeting. It's the best thing to
discuss.
Kalo hanya ikut mailing-list, kekadang pemahaman berbeza, kalo dalam
meeting.. tak paham boleh angkat tangan... tanya. So takde kes
"mis-understand".
> Example: NEF is not for politic. but do you think you can access all their
> information?
> We don't have to be the guardian of FOSS since there are FOSS.my. xbaik la
> nak potong rezeki org. (sniri paham lah...)
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Syamsul Anuar <wari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whoah this is getting overheated. I don't think kage mean any harm or
>> opening up the organization or anythg. Its just that the best way for open
>> source association is to open up n share. And yes they are things that shld
>> be kept in private, but for activities etc imho, wiki is the best way to get
>> everyone involve.
>> On the other end, although we are society just like umno etc, we are not
>> here to politics. We are here to be the guardian of foss and fostering the
>> movement in malaysia.
>> Just my 2 cents. And I also thinks all opinion counts to make us a better
>> association/society.
>> Regards,
>> -wariola-
>> Sent via BlackBerry from Maxis
>> ------------------------------
>> *From*: Nasrul Amri Samsudin
>> *Date*: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:04:28 +0800
>> *To*: <osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject*: [osdcmy-public] Re: Revamping OSDC.my Website
>> Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
>> if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
>> OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
>> can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
>> that we want to.
>> you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
>> don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
>> now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
>> INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
>> group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
>> this is registered CLUB.
>> if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
>> membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
>> reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
>> publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
>> and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
>> any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
>> they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
>> If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..)
>> joker.my website.
>> Thanks,
>> Nasrul
>> Not An Ambassador of Any Society
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
>>> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>>> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>>> >> software
>>> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>>> >> updates quite
>>> >> > > constantly).
>>> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>>> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
>>> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
>>> require it
>>> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
>>> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
>>> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
>>> > open, and just a little more "private"?
>>> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
>>> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
>>> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
>>> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
>>> ways .. cant say much ..
>>> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
>>> which imo, not needed ..
>>> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
>>> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
>>> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
>>> > --
>>> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ >>> > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>>> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Almost semua perkara ada P&C masing2.. harap dapat hormati..
boleh publish mende2 tertentu saja, kalau publish semua, kita pun agaknya
takyah pakai kain baju dah, semua pakat exposed, pasal nuthing to hide..
semua "published"..
tapi published for what? for some people punya satisfaction? or game?
agak2 depa publish ke mende2 berkaitan dengan interest dan lain2? i dun
think so.. depa kan shout as much as they want, tapi since mende ni ada
peraturannya, let them be, we no need to satisfy some bunch of people and
killing ourself..
> Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
> if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
> OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we
> can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things
> that we want to.
> you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I
> don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you
> now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT
> INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm
> group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
> this is registered CLUB.
> if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their
> membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their
> reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they
> publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
> and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type
> any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what
> they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
> If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..) joker.my
> website.
> Thanks,
> Nasrul
> Not An Ambassador of Any Society
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
>> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>> >> software
>> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>> >> updates quite
>> >> > > constantly).
>> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
>> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you
>> require it
>> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
>> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
>> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
>> > open, and just a little more "private"?
>> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
>> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
>> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
>> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
>> ways .. cant say much ..
>> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
>> which imo, not needed ..
>> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
>> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
>> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
>> > --
>> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ >> > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
> Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side,
> if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
> OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things that we want to.
> you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm group org, porak poranda group orang lain.
> this is registered CLUB.
those hat wearing is simply to state which side i am when stating
certain stuff ... when i say i'm in fedora hat, means i'm talking in a
way that biased to that side .. local geekboy hat - i'm talking on
another one side - which is a personal view .. i have several other
hat which i use when i be in a bias toward that particular group ..
> if nak try, pergi la ckp kat mana2 parti politik (you don't pay for their membership) and try to email them say all the bullshit to them and see their reaction. and you can't even access their information too. unless they publish on their website. because they are ASSOCIATION by LAW.
> and please respect OSDC.my PRESIDENT and watch your words before you type any words on Facebook or what regarding our PERLEMBAGAAN PERSATUAN or what they responsbility are. we are not making a joke on OSDC.my.
> If you want to make a joke, please join any joker society (opss..) joker.my website.
haha .. if you are going for a closed organization .. i cant say much
too .. i'm just a joker who drop by and see whether i can keep y'all
to be an open organization, rather than a closed organization ...
coz i'm particularly know .. i have no agenda to make any money .. and
i want for stuff to be open ..
in that facebook .. am i making a joke about osdc.my? .. i'm mainly
making a joke on the organization law in general .. which i see it
basically explains why political parties only work for their own
members but not the rakyat ... coz they so-called Law says so .. haha
..
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Colin Charles<b...@bytebot.net> wrote:
>> > On 25/6/09 Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>> >> > What will be the purpose of a wiki? Who will maintain the wiki
>> >> software
>> >> > > (mediawiki is notorious to having software holes and needs
>> >> updates quite
>> >> > > constantly).
>> >> jotting stuff that requires frequent modification .. such as during
>> >> event planning .. etc .. you got the idea right ? ..
>> > outsource - pbworks.com works just fine for event planning if you require it
>> > of course if someone is happy to run a wiki, and not let it get rooted,
>> > go for it. i just don't believe it will be very populated. besides, wrt
>> > event planning, don't you reckon you'd not want it to be too out in the
>> > open, and just a little more "private"?
>> haha .. not sure what the reason to make it private (unless it really
>> involves private/security matters) .. i would make it open for people
>> with account to edit - of course, tag it as draft if its a draft ..
>> but well .. if the rest are thinking of implementing stuff in other
>> ways .. cant say much ..
>> right now, imo, the current site is overly complex with many features
>> which imo, not needed ..
>> currently having the same grudge with fedora.foss.org.my .. want to
>> kill that site and revamp it to be simpler .. looking around for
>> simple non-php CMS .. plone is too much for such purpose ..
>> > --
>> > Colin Charles, http://bytebot.net/blog/ >> > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>> > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
> > Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side, > > if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
> > OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things that we want to.
> > you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm group org, porak poranda group orang lain. > > this is registered CLUB.
> those hat wearing is simply to state which side i am when stating > certain stuff ... when i say i'm in fedora hat, means i'm talking in a > way that biased to that side .. local geekboy hat - i'm talking on > another one side - which is a personal view .. i have several other > hat which i use when i be in a bias toward that particular group ..
i have split personality disorder .. different hat, will have different opinion .. where sometimes the opinions might contradict each other ..
> > > Dear Mr. Kage or other people who on his side, > > > if nak semua open, buat persatuan sendiri la sng.
> > > OSDC are register society/club/association. we pay for membership fee. we can't simply give access of information to unpaid user unless few things that we want to.
> > > you can't compare your FEDORA even if you FEDORA AMBASSADOR or what. (I don't give a damm too to any AMBASSADOR you are or others are. either you now wearing your FEDORA HAT AMBASSADOR or LOCAL GEEK BOY HAT). we are NOT INTERNET SOCIETY. free to join, free to kutuk-kutuk, free to pumpang dlm group org, porak poranda group orang lain. > > > this is registered CLUB.
> > those hat wearing is simply to state which side i am when stating > > certain stuff ... when i say i'm in fedora hat, means i'm talking in a > > way that biased to that side .. local geekboy hat - i'm talking on > > another one side - which is a personal view .. i have several other > > hat which i use when i be in a bias toward that particular group ..
> i have split personality disorder .. different hat, will have > different opinion .. where sometimes the opinions might a little contradict > each other ..
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