Hi Owen and Sheila,
I'm delighted to learn that we can now search by Ringgold ID *and* GRID - and that the application successfully de-duplicates users across these IDs. Thank you so much for adding that functionality, Owen! It adds so much value for members - I'm seeing jumps as high as 50% more ORCID iDs in some cases, and usually between at least 15%-25%.
I wanted to follow-up on those changes to ask how feasible if it would be to make it so that someone could search for multiple Ringgold IDs simultaneously (with that same de-duplication we see in the combined Ringgold ID/GRID case above). As Monica flagged in the other discussion thread, there are many faculties, groups, and 'sub-institutions' that have their own Ringgold IDs (and technically may have GRIDs, too, though not below).
I wanted to use the example of McGill University (a Canadian member with many associated sub-groups) to illustrate why this would be useful - and for anyone following this thread, to see how institutional affiliations work in ORCID.
At the same time, McGill has a LOT of institutions that wholly belong to or are associated with them. When I type "McGill" into the "Add Employment" ORCID affiliation box, the dropdown menu includes a total of 10 hits: Ringgold, GRID, and Fundref (see comment below), as well as seven associated faculties/institutions (a strong skew toward STEM faculties, interestingly). Notably, this does not include other McGill institutions without McGill in the name (e.g., Montreal Neurological Institute):
- McGill University Faculty of Medicine; Ringgold ID = 12367; Hits alone = 409; Hits together with McGill overall GRID above = 1161. We can see a small overlap (8), given that the GRID provides 760 alone
- McGill
University Health Centre; Ringgold ID = 54473; Hits alone = 246; Hits together with GRID = 996 (10 overlap)
- Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre; Ringgold ID = 507266; Hits alone = 37; Hits together with GRID = 788 (9 overlap)
- McGill University Faculty of Science;
Ringgold ID = 98613;
Hits alone = 155; Hits together with GRID = 914 (1 overlap)
- McGill
University Faculty of Engineering;
Ringgold ID = 120491; Hits alone = 143; Hits together with GRID = 899 (4 overlap)
- McGill
University Faculty of Agriculture and Environment;
Ringgold ID = 151165; Hits alone = 65;
Hits together with GRID = 824 (1 overlap)
- McGill
University Desautels Faculty of Management;
Ringgold ID = 71632;
Hits alone = 36; Hits together with GRID = 795 (1 overlap)
Without being able to account for any overlap that might exist across different Ringgold IDs at McGill, this appears to be a fairly significant number of potential ORCID users (in this case, possibly 869 above the 3869 listed above). It would be amazing to be able to capture those ORCID iDs as well :).
Hope this example is helpful for folks reading these posts, and thanks so much for updating the application!
Best,
John
P.S. It is my understanding that more institutional identifiers will eventually be added (e.g., ROR), complicating this calculation. In fact, most institutions have a third listed ID in the ORCID repository beyond Ringgold and GRID: Fundref. This one is more complex: Fundref numbers are just Crossref DOIs with a special purpose (McGill's:
http://dx.doi.org/10.13039/100008582), most institutions have numerous Fundref numbers (
https://www.grid.ac/institutes/grid.14709.3b), and the primary Fundref number is already listed in GRID metadata details in ORCID. I would probably ignore this particular set of affiliations for now given the complexity, but maybe it's simpler than I think.
Perhaps someone from ORCID could confirm if this represents an entire third set of users in the ORCID Registry?