Happy Mothers' Day

[hal lillywhite]

I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
the Lord know how much you do for your families. I can no longer wish
my mother a happy day in person but can for my wife and daughters.

And the BC comic about this is pretty good.
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/bc/
(Get it today, tomorrow that link will probably point to tomorrow's
strip though you can go from there to other days' strips..)

[hal lillywhite]

On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:
> I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
> the Lord know how much you do for your families

PS. just came across this short (about three and a half minutes) video
on the subject

http://www.lds.org/pages/mormon-messages?cid=HP000058A&lang=eng#to-every-mother

Though this link is to an LDS site, the video is interdenominational
and almost certainly available at other sites as well.

[Moses]

Mormonism is a non-Christian cult.

[hal lillywhite]

On May 12, 3:51 pm, Moses <Moses.of.the.bibl...@gmail.com-DESPAM>
wrote:

> On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT), hal lillywhite
>

> <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:
> >On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
> >> the Lord know how much you do for your families
>
> >PS. just came across this short (about three and a half minutes) video
> >on the subject
>

> >http://www.lds.org/pages/mormon-messages?cid=HP000058A&lang=eng#to-ev...

>
> >Though this link is to an LDS site, the video is interdenominational
> >and almost certainly available at other sites as well.
>
> Mormonism is a non-Christian cult.

See (and ponder) Matt 7:1-2

[hal lillywhite]

On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:

> I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
> the Lord know how much you do for your families.  I can no longer wish
> my mother a happy day in person but can for my wife and daughters.
>

> And the BC comic about this is pretty good.http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/bc/

> (Get it today, tomorrow that link will probably point to tomorrow's
> strip though you can go from there to other days' strips..)

And here is a real Mothers' Day story, between her own, adopted,
foster and those who just came by and stayed the woman raised 69 kids,
most or all of whom seem to be productive, upstanding citizens.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324744104578471503624865878.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsFifth

[Bill Shatzer]

2 Peter 2:1 is, however, instructive as well.

peace and justice,

[hal lillywhite]

If you are going to claim we have false prophets you best provide some
evidence. And even at that, it would not necessarily make us non-
Christian.

[Bill Shatzer]

hal lillywhite wrote:

> On May 12, 10:01 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>
>>hal lillywhite wrote:
>>
>>>On May 12, 3:51 pm, Moses <Moses.of.the.bibl...@gmail.com-DESPAM>
>>>wrote:

- snip -

>>>>Mormonism is a non-Christian cult.

>>>See (and ponder) Matt 7:1-2

>>2 Peter 2:1 is, however, instructive as well.

> If you are going to claim we have false prophets you best provide some
> evidence. And even at that, it would not necessarily make us non-
> Christian.

How are we to determine false prophets save by judging them?

My own view is that ALL religious prophets (and religions) are false but
those judging Mormonism as a non-Christian cult have a different take on
these sorts of things.

Who is to say they're wrong? Certainly there is no "evidence" (in any
sort of objective way) that they're wrong.

There's none that they're right either but then you face the same
conundrum with your religion.

peace and justice,

[hal lillywhite]

On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:

> I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
> the Lord know how much you do for your families.  I can no longer wish
> my mother a happy day in person but can for my wife and daughters.
>

> And the BC comic about this is pretty good.http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/bc/

> (Get it today, tomorrow that link will probably point to tomorrow's
> strip though you can go from there to other days' strips..)

To me the sad part of this thread is that surely everybody posting or
reading here has a mother, probably a mother who sacrificed time,
sleep, money etc for you. Yet aside from myself *nobody* has posted
anyg ratitude to mothers. Instead we have religious arguing. Sad.

[Bill Shatzer]

Perhaps some feel such things are personal family matters and are best
kept within the family and not really appropriate for a public forum?

I can't imagine any mother feeling particularly appreciated via a
posting on an amUsenet forum. You really can't get more impersonal than
that.

> Instead we have religious arguing. Sad.

You keep bringing religion up.

peace and justice,

[ASt...@elgereth.com]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:30:36 -0700 (PDT), hal lillywhite <hlil...@juno.com>
wrote:

It is sad, sir. But then again, you were the one who first brought in religion
to the thread. Religion and politics should not mix. Ditto with religion and
Mother's day. For each that should be a personal decision.

[hal lillywhite]

On May 13, 9:48 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
> hal lillywhite wrote:
> > On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
> >>the Lord know how much you do for your families.  I can no longer wish
> >>my mother a happy day in person but can for my wife and daughters.
> >>And the BC comic about this is pretty good.http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/bc/
> >>(Get it today, tomorrow that link will probably point to tomorrow's
> >>strip though you can go from there to other days' strips..)
> > To me the sad part of this thread is that surely everybody posting or
> > reading here has a mother, probably a mother who sacrificed time,
> > sleep, money etc for you.  Yet aside from myself *nobody* has posted
> > anyg ratitude to mothers.
>
> Perhaps some feel such things are personal family matters and are best
> kept within the family and not really appropriate for a public forum?

Some yes. However I am surprised that essentially nobody wanted to
post at least a general tribute to mothers.

> I can't imagine any mother feeling particularly appreciated via a
> posting on an amUsenet forum. You really can't get more impersonal than
> that.
>
> > Instead we have religious arguing. Sad.
>
> You keep bringing religion up.

Only a link that happened to go through a religious site. Did you
bother to actually see the video? Religion was hardly mentioned.
Instead it was a tribute to mothers. eg/ "Life doesn't come with a
manual. It comes with a mother."

[hal lillywhite]

On May 14, 3:05 am, ASta...@elgereth.com wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:30:36 -0700 (PDT), hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
> >> the Lord know how much you do for your families. I can no longer wish
> >> my mother a happy day in person but can for my wife and daughters.
>
> >> And the BC comic about this is pretty good.http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/bc/
> >> (Get it today, tomorrow that link will probably point to tomorrow's
> >> strip though you can go from there to other days' strips..)
>
> >To me the sad part of this thread is that surely everybody posting or
> >reading here has a mother, probably a mother who sacrificed time,
> >sleep, money etc for you.  Yet aside from myself *nobody* has posted
> >anyg ratitude to mothers.  Instead we have religious arguing. Sad.
>
> It is sad, sir. But then again, you were the one who first brought in religion
> to the thread.

Not really. I just linked a nice video that happened to go through a
church-sponsored site. The video is not really religious.

> Religion and politics should not mix. Ditto with religion and
> Mother's day. For each that should be a personal decision.

Sorry, religion is part of our national life. You may not like it but
for most Americans it is important. The first amendment is supposed
to safeguard our right to religious belief and expression. That also
safeguards your right to express your disagreement and not be forced
into any religion, or lack of religion. There is no reason to hide
religion from the public eye.

[ASt...@elgereth.com]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT), hal lillywhite <hlil...@juno.com>
wrote:

>On May 14, 3:05�am, ASta...@elgereth.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:30:36 -0700 (PDT), hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On May 12, 9:17 am, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >> I wish a happy Mothers' Day to any mothers reading this, only you and
>> >> the Lord know how much you do for your families. I can no longer wish
>> >> my mother a happy day in person but can for my wife and daughters.
>>
>> >> And the BC comic about this is pretty good.http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/bc/
>> >> (Get it today, tomorrow that link will probably point to tomorrow's
>> >> strip though you can go from there to other days' strips..)
>>
>> >To me the sad part of this thread is that surely everybody posting or
>> >reading here has a mother, probably a mother who sacrificed time,
>> >sleep, money etc for you. �Yet aside from myself *nobody* has posted
>> >anyg ratitude to mothers. �Instead we have religious arguing. Sad.
>>
>> It is sad, sir. But then again, you were the one who first brought in religion
>> to the thread.
>
>Not really. I just linked a nice video that happened to go through a
>church-sponsored site. The video is not really religious.

As I didn't watch it, I defer to you there. You did, however, lead people to an
LDS site, which is definitely religious in nature. But then, sir, we both
digress. Your point about not honoring our Mothers stands, although in a
political newsgroup a bit off topic.

>
>> Religion and politics should not mix. Ditto with religion and
>> Mother's day. For each that should be a personal decision.
>
>Sorry, religion is part of our national life.

One could go further and say that religion is part of our world. Nationalism
aside. But should it mix with politics? No IMHO. Especially in the US, where it
is a melting pot of different religious beliefs all over the board.

>You may not like it but
>for most Americans it is important.

And for most Americans it is a personal thing. Very unlike politics. I trust the
pastor of my church way more than any local or national politician for example.

>The first amendment is supposed
>to safeguard our right to religious belief and expression.

Very true and rightly so, Sir.

>That also
>safeguards your right to express your disagreement and not be forced
>into any religion, or lack of religion. There is no reason to hide
>religion from the public eye.

Hiding it, no. There is no reason. But I submit that in a political newsgroup,
religion has no forum. Just my two cents. But let's not let that get in the way
of honoring moms all over the world. Mine is very old, and amazingly enough, is
into NBA basketball. She is addicted to watching the playoffs at the moment and
when I call and ask her how she is doing, I get a 1 hour dialogue on the NBA
playoffs. Seems to keep her young though.

[Bill Shatzer]

hal lillywhite wrote:

> Some yes. However I am surprised that essentially nobody wanted to
> post at least a general tribute to mothers.

Mothers come in all flavors - not all of which are appropriate subjects
of tribute.

Starting with Lucrezia Borgia and continuing down the centuries to Ma
Barker, Diane Downs, Casey Anthony and Andrea Yates, there have been
plenty of nasty mothers. A "general tribute" would encompass those nasties.

I can really only know about my mother and I'd really prefer to keep my
tribute confined to her and in private. I suspect others feel similarly.

peace and justice,

[hal lillywhite]

On May 14, 10:13 am, ASta...@elgereth.com wrote:

> >> It is sad, sir. But then again, you were the one who first brought in religion
> >> to the thread.
>
> >Not really.  I just linked a nice video that happened to go through a
> >church-sponsored site.  The video is not really religious.
>
> As I didn't watch it, I defer to you there. You did, however, lead people to an
> LDS site, which is definitely religious in nature.

And which also has some nice information on things like emergency
preparation, finding your family history etc. which people may find
useful regardless of religious belief or lack thereof. I hope nobody
avoids that information just because it is sponsored by a church. I
would certainly not avoid good information from a site sponsored by
another church or even a political organization which which I
disagree.

> But then, sir, we both
> digress. Your point about not honoring our Mothers stands, although in a
> political newsgroup a bit off topic.

If all the off topic posts here were eliminated we might have only
half the volume we do.

> >> Religion and politics should not mix. Ditto with religion and
> >> Mother's day. For each that should be a personal decision.
>
> >Sorry, religion is part of our national life.
>
> One could go further and say that religion is part of our world. Nationalism
> aside. But should it mix with politics? No IMHO. Especially in the US, where it
> is a melting pot of different religious beliefs all over the board.

I do not necessarily agree with that. The first amendment is a one-
way street. It puts restraints on government but not on the people.
It may be unwise to consider religion in voting but it is clearly
constitutional. cf three blogs (especially numbers 1 and 2) at

http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=politics+and+religion

> >You may not like it but
> >for most Americans it is important.
>
> And for most Americans it is a personal thing. Very unlike politics.

I would guess that most Americans consider religion at least somewhat
of an issue when voting.

> I trust the
> pastor of my church way more than any local or national politician for example.

Is that damning with faint praise? :)

> >The first amendment is supposed
> >to safeguard our right to religious belief and expression.
>
> Very true and rightly so, Sir.
>
> >That also
> >safeguards your right to express your disagreement and not be forced
> >into any religion, or lack of religion.  There is no reason to hide
> >religion from the public eye.
>
> Hiding it, no. There is no reason. But I submit that in a political newsgroup,
> religion has no forum. Just my two cents. But let's not let that get in the way
> of honoring moms all over the world. Mine is very old, and amazingly enough, is
> into NBA basketball. She is addicted to watching the playoffs at the moment and
> when I call and ask her how she is doing, I get a 1 hour dialogue on the NBA
> playoffs. Seems to keep her young though.

Good for her, I'm glad she enjoys it, and that she is apparently
enjoying life. Usually it is the male who enjoys sports but not
always. I have a friend who isn't much into sports but his wife is.
One day many years ago he was working outside and heard her scream
something horrible. He was afraid one of the kids was seriously hurt
but when he rushed into the house he found that the disaster was that
the Blazers had missed an easy shot.

[SmilePlease]

thank God none of us reading this had mothers who had an abortion on
us.

[Sancho Panza]

Some posters, though, do display strong signs that they were
un-sought-after offspring.

[hal lillywhite]

On May 17, 2:47 pm, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:

> > thank God none of us reading this had mothers who had an abortion on
> > us.
>
> Some posters, though, do display strong signs that they were
> un-sought-after offspring.

Old Joke: Bill was an unwanted child but he overcame that. Now he's
wanted in 5 states and Canada.

[Bill Shatzer]

You, of course, just picked that name out of a hat and more or less at
random?

peace and justice,

[hal lillywhite]

Actually I did.