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Ethel Capps

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Jun 25, 2006, 2:21:57 PM6/25/06
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I believe that children of unwed mothers should be taken by the state
and put up for adoption. There are plenty of families that would love
to adopt a child and give it a good home with love and a safe and
financially responsible environment.
Unwed mothers with their children are a major drain on the Welfare
system. We should also eliminate the common law marriage tradition.
Couples who don't wish to marry but want to live together should form a
legal partnership with both responsible for any children they create or
adopt. The present system does not give adequate support to children.

Sam Carana

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Jun 25, 2006, 9:09:31 PM6/25/06
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Apart from the gross violation of rights implied in your proposition,
it also seems to be incoherent. You cannot on the one hand abolish 
marriage and on the other hand propose that the state takes away
children from unwed mothers.  
 
I support the idea of abolishing the traditional marriage and replacing
it by a combination of insurance and contractual arrangements. This 
will go a long way towards catering for all eventualities, but there will
still be some cases where support for the children is lacking. Often,
it is hard for families to adopt children, especially for couples who
don't have any children. Therefore, it makes sense to both abolish 
marriage and adoption law, replacing both by this combination of 
insurance and contractual arrangements.  
 
Another issue is vicarious care and responsibility. The family carries
the first responsibility for children. The family may entrust someone
else with the care for their children, but the family should ensure that
this trust is backed up by insurance, so that they can be held
responsible in case failure in their duty results in unwanted pregnancy.
 
Note also that the average number of children has fallen dramatically
in most developed countries, despite the many efforts by government
to support children. One could therefore conclude that these efforts 
are misdirected, which calls up the question whether, instead of
governments encouraging the poor to have more children by giving
them financial incentives, efforts should be directed to entice richer
people to have children. Alternatively, should governments encourage
any family to have (more) children? From some environmental
perspectives, the world is overpopulated anyway, so why force rich
people to pay taxes that go to poor families that have many children?
 
In conclusion, we should question the current policy by government
and come up with ideas to improve the situation. I'm looking forward
to hear what others think about this.
 
Cheers!
Sam Carana

Ahmed Malallah

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Jul 1, 2006, 3:41:20 AM7/1/06
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I think the situation of the adopted children is very sad in the states, I think to solve this problem we need not to look into how the society deal with the situation of the unwed mother and her children, but to look into the cause of this situation.  the sexual relationship between couples is the major problem, those children who are result of this relation which suppose not happen until couples get married.  when they get married they will be able to have children in a normal way, and even if they get divorced after that, they will have the same responsibly to grow their children.

Sam Carana

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Jul 1, 2006, 10:29:52 PM7/1/06
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If you are referring to the USA as "the states", then I can tell you
that
adopted children are generally well off, much better off than in most
other countries, thank you. Generally, children are adopted by loving
families who are screened thoroughly to avoid abuse and neglect.

As far as unwed mothers are concerned, many are actually living in
better conditions than many families do in other countries. Unwed
mothers often live with friends and/or relatives who help out with the
care for the children.

Your remarks are discriminative against people who are living together
without being married. Marriage is an institution of patronage, going
hand in hand with a culture of sexual suppression. That suppression
often results in negligence to properly educate children about
sexuality,
which is the major cause of unwanted pregnancy. In many developed
countries, due to better sex education and the availablity of abortion
and anti-conception, the number of children is actually falling.
Archaic
marriage laws are out of step with a modern society and constitute
discrimination in many ways, against single parents, against parents
living together without being married, against gay families, against
children who get stigmas like bastard child, etc. Such discrimination
is often institutionalized in tax and inheritance laws, in social
welfare,
education, superannuation, housing, banking and insurance policies.

It makes more sense to abolish marriage laws altogether and instead
leave it up to people to make private arrangements about something
that is so intimately private. At the same time, children should
receive
adequate education about sexuality, rather than be kept in the false
belief that only married couples have sex. It's that kind of deception
that is the problem.

Cheers!
Sam Carana

Ethel Capps

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Jul 2, 2006, 8:57:27 AM7/2/06
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You are both all wet behind the ears. You are still living in a dream
world. Children are not provided for adequately under the present
situation and your solutions don't fit the problem.
Sex is a private matter. But producing children needs to be a concern of
society. These are human beings that need protection for their rights.

Sam Carana

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Jul 2, 2006, 11:45:35 PM7/2/06
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It's a gross violation of people's rights to suggest - as you did -

that "children of unwed mothers should be taken by the state and put up
for adoption". Parents, as the custodians of their children's rights,
have prior rights to protect their children, in this case from people
like you.

Cheers!
Sam Carana

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