Opera 8.0 Preview 1 for Mac available
Tim Altman
the new version in opera.mac and in the my.opera.com Opera for Mac
forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly, but link
to the post in opera.mac or in the my.opera.com Opera for Mac forum.
Changelog:
http://snapshot.opera.com/mac/m80p1.html
Download:
http://snapshot.opera.com/mac/o80p1_1945.dmg (build 1945)
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trammael
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
> Thanks for supporting the Mac!
You are welcome! Please give feedback here, positive and negative. We do
not yet have that many active MacOpera users in the newsgroups.
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Phillip Jones
> On 8 Jan 2005 04:47:31 -0800, trammael wrote:
>
>> Thanks for supporting the Mac!
>
>
> You are welcome! Please give feedback here, positive and negative. We
> do not yet have that many active MacOpera users in the newsgroups.
>
I still can't get into Suntrust Billpay feature in their online Banking.
CheckFree adminsters their BilPay Feature.
regardless of how you have spoofting set Mozilla 5 Internet explorer 6
and so on
it comes back with a Page about recommended browsers are Netscape 7 AOL
9, Safari, Internet Explorer 6.
I reported this previously with more details both here and the general
group since this group went weeks at a time with no post.
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Christopher Fonnesbeck
<ri...@operaremovethiz.com> wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2005 04:47:31 -0800, trammael wrote:
>
>> Thanks for supporting the Mac!
>
> You are welcome! Please give feedback here, positive and negative. We do
> not yet have that many active MacOpera users in the newsgroups.
>
Its an improvement on 7.54, for sure. I really like the auto-resizing
feature to avoid horizontal scrolling. There are still some nagging
usability issues, however, that keep me from using it as my regular
browser:
- Handling of new pages is still very poor - you still either have choose
"inside window" or "separate window". Every other browser that I know of
allows most windows to be opened in a (backgroud) tab, while still having
auxiliary windows (say, embedded media players) opening in a separate,
small frame of their own. At the moment, pop-ups are forced to open in a
large frame inside the main window if the "inside window" option is chosen
-- this should never happen. This is the most important problem, in my
opinion. I would use another browser as a model for this behaviour (again,
most other browsers have this figured out).
- Related to the above problem, holding down the apple key and clicking on
a link should always open the link in a new tab (either in the background
or foreground). At the moment "open in new window/open in backgroud
window" do not have hotkey mappings.
- No drag-and-drop attachments for the mail client (opens file in browser
instead)
- No pgp in the mail client
- Some "cosmetic" problems: labels for some buttons and fields often are
larger than the button itself. For example, some of the search fields.
Having said that, I think the M2 client is very promising, and does
virtual folders better than any other client I have seen. The browser is
close to being "there", it just needs to behave a little more like a mac
application.
Chris
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Johan H. Borg
<dont_sen...@mac.com> wrote:
> - Handling of new pages is still very poor - you still either have
> choose "inside window" or "separate window". Every other browser that I
> know of allows most windows to be opened in a (backgroud) tab, while
> still having auxiliary windows (say, embedded media players) opening in
> a separate, small frame of their own. At the moment, pop-ups are forced
> to open in a large frame inside the main window if the "inside window"
> option is chosen -- this should never happen. This is the most important
> problem, in my opinion. I would use another browser as a model for this
> behaviour (again, most other browsers have this figured out).
We plan to do *something* about this soon.
> - Related to the above problem, holding down the apple key and clicking
> on a link should always open the link in a new tab (either in the
> background or foreground). At the moment "open in new window/open in
> backgroud window" do not have hotkey mappings.
If you prefer pages inside window, Cmd-click will open in a new tab,
Cmd+shift-click opens in a new tab in background. Otherwise they open in
new window, new window in background. I'd prefer the hotkeys to stick
across modes, but on the other hand they don't do that in Safari either.
> - No drag-and-drop attachments for the mail client (opens file in
> browser instead)
Dragging a file to a compose window/tab adds the file to the attachment
list. Did you expect it to work in a different way?
> - No pgp in the mail client
> - Some "cosmetic" problems: labels for some buttons and fields often are
> larger than the button itself. For example, some of the search fields.
>
> Having said that, I think the M2 client is very promising, and does
> virtual folders better than any other client I have seen. The browser is
> close to being "there", it just needs to behave a little more like a mac
> application.
Just don't expect Opera to become Safari. If Windows users thought like
Mac users we'd get a lot of complaints about not being a "little more like
a Windows application" :)
Johan.
Christopher Fonnesbeck
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:21:00 -0500, Christopher Fonnesbeck
> <dont_sen...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> - Handling of new pages is still very poor - you still either have
>> choose "inside window" or "separate window". Every other browser that I
>> know of allows most windows to be opened in a (backgroud) tab, while
>> still having auxiliary windows (say, embedded media players) opening in
>> a separate, small frame of their own. At the moment, pop-ups are forced
>> to open in a large frame inside the main window if the "inside window"
>> option is chosen -- this should never happen. This is the most
>> important problem, in my opinion. I would use another browser as a
>> model for this behaviour (again, most other browsers have this figured
>> out).
>
> We plan to do *something* about this soon.
Great to hear!
>
>> - Related to the above problem, holding down the apple key and clicking
>> on a link should always open the link in a new tab (either in the
>> background or foreground). At the moment "open in new window/open in
>> backgroud window" do not have hotkey mappings.
>
> If you prefer pages inside window, Cmd-click will open in a new tab,
> Cmd+shift-click opens in a new tab in background. Otherwise they open in
> new window, new window in background. I'd prefer the hotkeys to stick
> across modes, but on the other hand they don't do that in Safari either.
I have tried opening smaller windows in new windows using this method, but
unfortunately the new window ends up being a "full" window with all the
toolbars, rather than a plain window that most popups use. If you chose
pages inside window, it is necessary to have a way to open pages outside
of the window, and conversely, if you chose separate windows, you need to
have a way to let users put some pages in a new tab within the same window,
>
>> - No drag-and-drop attachments for the mail client (opens file in
>> browser instead)
>
> Dragging a file to a compose window/tab adds the file to the attachment
> list. Did you expect it to work in a different way?
>
Right ... I am used to being able to drag a file to anywhere in the
message. It will just take some getting used to.
>
> Just don't expect Opera to become Safari. If Windows users thought like
> Mac users we'd get a lot of complaints about not being a "little more
> like a Windows application" :)
>
It should not be Safari -- if it was, I would not use it. Having said
that, it should be like a Mac application, and behave consistently with
other applications. This is (one reason) Mac users use Macs!
Thanks for the reply.
C.
Phillip Jones
I'm not a fan of Safari either.
Tim Altman
<pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
[...]
>I still can't get into Suntrust Billpay feature in their online Banking.
>CheckFree adminsters their BilPay Feature.
Have you filed a bug report about this issue? I did a quick
search and couldn't find one.
OmegaJunior
Nice! Expect some feedback from me :P
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Phillip Jones
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:45:04 -0500, Phillip Jones
> <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
>>I still can't get into Suntrust Billpay feature in their online Banking.
>>CheckFree adminsters their BilPay Feature.
>
>
> Have you filed a bug report about this issue? I did a quick
> search and couldn't find one.
>
problem in this group and the general group a couple of times as well.
I think it has to do with the way you (opera) is addressing the
UserAgent String.
In Mozilla/ Firefox there is an extension called UserAgent Switcher that
works nicely. The fellow even pointed to a list of User Agent Strings
And I was able to download and copythe correct string for Netscape 7.2
in to it UserAgent Switcher.
Ralf Demuth
wrote:
> Tim Altman wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:45:04 -0500, Phillip Jones
>> <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> I still can't get into Suntrust Billpay feature in their online
>>> Banking.
>>> CheckFree adminsters their BilPay Feature.
>> Have you filed a bug report about this issue? I did a quick
>> search and couldn't find one.
>>
> Not under the 8.1 but I did under the 7.Xu1 version. I also posted this
> problem in this group and the general group a couple of times as well.
>
> I think it has to do with the way you (opera) is addressing the
> UserAgent String.
>
> In Mozilla/ Firefox there is an extension called UserAgent Switcher that
> works nicely. The fellow even pointed to a list of User Agent Strings
> And I was able to download and copythe correct string for Netscape 7.2
> in to it UserAgent Switcher.
If you are able to access the site by changing the User Agent then that's
a case of bad browser sniffing. So they seem to be aware that other
browsers *can* access and use their site -- the webmaster simply refuses
to do correct browser sniffing.
If you like to, then send them the following two links that explain how to
enable an open web and how to correctly check for Opera:
- http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/info/
- http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/idopera/
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Tim Altman
<pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>Tim Altman wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:45:04 -0500, Phillip Jones
>> <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>I still can't get into Suntrust Billpay feature in their online Banking.
>>>CheckFree adminsters their BilPay Feature.
>>
>> Have you filed a bug report about this issue? I did a quick
>> search and couldn't find one.
>
>Not under the 8.1 but I did under the 7.Xu1 version. I also posted this
>problem in this group and the general group a couple of times as well.
OK, I've found the bug report. I'd follow Ralf's advice and send
them information from our OpenTheWeb project.