Opera 9.0 Preview 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris available
Tim Altman
now available. We are still at an early stage in the development of
Opera 9 (code-name Merlin), however, we are very excited about the
next version of Opera and are releasing this Preview to the Community
to give you a taste of the new technologies and improved standards
support we have been working on lately. Some of the new features
include:
- support for XSLT, Canvas 2D, and Web Forms 2.0
- rich-text editing on Web pages
- site-specific preferences
- a new IMAP back-end
- access to Opera's preferences via opera:config
Also in this release are new default shortcuts[1]. We continue to make
progress on our BitTorrent support and it will be included in a public
release as soon as possible. For complete changelogs and download
links see:
- Windows: http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w90p1.html
- UNIX: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/u90p1.html
- Mac: http://snapshot.opera.com/mac/m90p1.html
We invite users to discuss the Preview in the Forums and Newsgroups.
We are particularly interested in feedback about:
- speed and stability
- IDing as Opera by default
- rendering regressions since Opera 8.5
- problems connecting to secure sites using TLS 1.1
[1] http://my.opera.com/Rijk/blog/show.dml/46881
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Brian Redmond
wrote:
> Opera 9.0 Preview 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris is
> now available.
Great news, congratulations!
> For complete changelogs and download links see:
>
> - Windows: http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w90p1.html
Sorry, I can't see the download link.
Regards,
Brian.
Terry_P
Brian Redmond
That did the trick, thanks Terry. BTW, how did you KNOW - educated guess?
:)
Regards,
Brian
Terry_P
> That did the trick, thanks Terry. BTW, how did you KNOW - educated guess?
> :)
>
> Regards,
> Brian
What me, educated? No, there is already some discussion in the Opera
Community Forums>Beta Testing.
Terry
Mark V
Which contains,
"VALUE "FileDescription", "Opera 8.5"
FYI to OS.
Mark V
> In opera.beta Terry_P wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:28:54 +0100, Brian Redmond wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:58:36 +0100, Tim Altman
>>> <do....@spam.me.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opera 9.0 Preview 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and
[ ]
>>
>> It's not shown on the page but try
>> http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/o90p1_8031.exe
>
> Which contains,
> "VALUE "FileDescription", "Opera 8.5"
> FYI to OS.
A bit odd... This preview 9 attempted to install *over* the
existing \Opera8\ installation by default. I thought that was poor
choice and probably an installer bug. ?
- - - -
I see the same unacceptable (here) behavior of
Silent Web Updating...
and I still fail to understand *why* you (OS) think this behavior
is acceptable in this day and age.
- - - -
I hate the opening layout!, but won't go there again just yet. <G>
Haavard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> I see the same unacceptable (here) behavior of
> Silent Web Updating...
> and I still fail to understand *why* you (OS) think this behavior
> is acceptable in this day and age.
Not sure I understand what you are referring to here... Checking for
updates?
Arioch
> - Windows: http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w90p1.html
"Removed support for XML namespaces in HTML documents."
Why? Yes, it might be against RFC's but what the harm can it cause ?
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Arioch
First to say, i believe Opera 9 must have an option to clone the settings,
message base, wand, cookies and so on from 8.50
I want to test Opera 9? So i want to test how it differs from my Opera 8 -
and i do not want to kill Opera 8, otherwise i'd just upgraded as i
usually do. So i think installer of preview is to ask me if i want to
import all settings from already installed Opera.
And it looks quite different: bold font on main menu, etc.
So i wanted to set there the same skins.
I get Find more skins, and... and get into web.
I feel dialogs like skin choosing must have option to browser the local
disc!
http://arioch.nm.ru/Opera9_fonts.png
Maybe it is just my habits, but i find default Opera install ugly.
IMHO default font was changed by skin in my Opera 8, it did not happened
for Opera 9, perhaps i did not find and touched proper skin :-)
And there is no search field too, so i cannot ask opera.com for all the
skins that try to mimic MacOS X Aqua.
Apply downloaded skin dialog: Skin name == "Shiirad Mac (Scroll bar
arrows) (2)"
What is that (2) ? In Windows that usually means there was already entity
(file, skin, etc) with the same name.
BTW, 404 - http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/img.pl?id=1979
Language file Browse button - it still have no respect to what is entered
- and opens dialogin some strange random folder, instead the one, where
user is to expect other .lng files.
I don't know what is the library used for Win32 build, is it MFC or Qt,
but for Delphi VCL there is for ages control, combining edit box with
browser button and drag-n-drop functionality. I'm sure You can find
samewidget for MFC and fix this problem in 10 minutes :-)
Preferences - i set Russian as default and expect Opera to honour this.
There is Details button - but it is supposed to tweak Details, yes ? It is
a kind of Advanced button ? But Opera does nothing there - though i can
expect it to add [ru] at the top of Preferred languages list and set
fallback encoding to some usual rus charset.
About hotkeys - since You move all the page-related hotkeys to <t> key,
then Duplicate page is also to be Ctrl+Alt+Shift+T
What id the Atom 1.0 support ? Is it that "AtomAPI-enabled feed" on
LiveJournal, so i would be able to answer messages from M2 ?
And i cannot find those generic warning console and per-sire preferences
:-(
Arioch
Could You add to Win32 version XWS feature, when mid-click pastes selected
text ?
I don't know if it is hard to make Opera remember last selected text in
some wallet, though.
But then make at least option to make mid-click paste the copied text.
In Opera/Linux i can copy URL in some program and in the Opera just
mid-click and it's there.
It is a kinf of features that sees of little value - but You soon get used
to them.
Make this option non-default for releases and default for previews -
perhaps it would make its fans.
Mark V
Yes. In this case the initial update. 9 not been running long
enough to see a periodic automatic Check for new release. (but
then I have that disabled anyway).
The point (raised vociferously) for an earlier release is that
* Silent and uncontrollable automatic updates are "bad". *
Opera should provide notice that updates are being downloaded and
provide a UI option for "Prompt me for permission to update now."
And the "new release" is rather mis-named since very infrequently
is the actual program updated as in "released". The real and most
frequent action is currently:
Silently and without warning, permission or notification,
download new data and modify local files.
I hope you can see how this might upset some users and shows little
respect for the end-user in what otherwise is a very user-
controllable browser.
I fully understand the purpose of the updates. That is not an
issue. The issues are:
No notification
No control
I sincerely believe that OS needs to re-think this and provide
options for both "notification" "get interactive permission" from
the user for automatic updates. Something like:
Auto Updates Ask=1
Auto Updates Notify=1
Please give this some serious consideration. Thank you.
Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:
The option to paste copied text is already there, if you configure it.
Go to Preferences, Advanced, Shortcuts. Next to the Mouse setup list,
click Edit.
In the Edit dialog, click on Advanced, then click on Edit widget. Click
New.
In the left column, type "button3" (the name for the middle button - no
quotes). In the right column, type "Paste" and press Enter. Click OK in
both dialogs.
It already has its fans ... I posted that tip in the forums several weeks
ago and got several "thank you"'s.
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> Opera 9.0 Preview 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris is now
> available. We are still at an early stage in the development of Opera 9
> (code-name Merlin), however, we are very excited about the next version
> of Opera and are releasing this Preview to the Community to give you a
> taste of the new technologies and improved standards support we have
> been working on lately. Some of the new features include:
Would it be possible to make the RPMs relocatable?
I prefer to keep Opera and OpenOffice.org under /opt. The OOo RPMs accept
--prefix, but Opera tells me the RPM is not relocatable. Fortunately, I
can use the tar file and install.sh.
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> 20.10.05 × 18:58 Tim Altman × Ó×Ï£Í ÐÉÓØÍÅ ÐÉÓÁÌ(Á):
>
> > - Windows: http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w90p1.html
>
> "Removed support for XML namespaces in HTML documents."
>
> Why? Yes, it might be against RFC's but what the harm can it cause ?
Think of faulty Internet-Explorer-Only HTML and you know what harm it
can cause. The problem is that authors could start to rely on it.
Greets,
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Arioch
> In the Edit dialog, click on Advanced, then click on Edit widget. Click
> New.
What part of Opera will it be, so it would not override mid-click on
links, page tabs, etc ?
> In the left column, type "button3" (the name for the middle button - no
> quotes). In the right column, type "Paste" and press Enter. Click OK in
> both dialogs.
>
Cool, but please, add it to generic mid-click customisation dialog.
> It already has its fans ... I posted that tip in the forums several
> weeks ago and got several "thank you"'s.
From me - too :-)
Arioch
> In the left column, type "button3" (the name for the middle button - no
> quotes). In the right column, type "Paste" and press Enter. Click OK in
> both dialogs.
I put there "Paste mouse selection" but it still pastes clipboard :(
And what can i customise, so that when midclicking on the page (noit link
nor edit widget) and having URL in clipboard - i will open new page to
that URL (Same like Ctrl+N(+T), Ctrl+D (Ctrl+Shift+V) ) ?
Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:
> 22.10.05 в 04:13 Steven V. Gunhouse в своём письме писал(а):
>
>> In the Edit dialog, click on Advanced, then click on Edit widget. Click
>> New.
>
> What part of Opera will it be, so it would not override mid-click on
> links, page tabs, etc ?
[Edit widget] applies only to fields. Any text entry field, and I believe
it would attempt to use that on any tree view or list field as well
(though as those are not editable it should have no effect). Only side
effect, of course middle-clicking to use panning can no longer be done
over a text field.
I try to put my edits in places where they have as few side effects as
possible.
>> In the left column, type "button3" (the name for the middle button - no
>> quotes). In the right column, type "Paste" and press Enter. Click OK in
>> both dialogs.
>
> Cool, but please, add it to generic mid-click customisation dialog.
You'd have to ask one of the Opera people for that ... ;)
>> It already has its fans ... I posted that tip in the forums several
>> weeks ago and got several "thank you"'s.
>
> From me - too :-)
You're welcome.
Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:
> 22.10.05 в 04:13 Steven V. Gunhouse в своём письме писал(а):
>
>
>> In the left column, type "button3" (the name for the middle button - no
>> quotes). In the right column, type "Paste" and press Enter. Click OK in
>> both dialogs.
>
> I put there "Paste mouse selection" but it still pastes clipboard :(
Yeah, "Paste mouse selection" is UNIX only.
> And what can i customise, so that when midclicking on the page (noit
> link nor edit widget) and having URL in clipboard - i will open new page
> to that URL (Same like Ctrl+N(+T), Ctrl+D (Ctrl+Shift+V) ) ?
>
Try "Paste and go", or rather "New page & Paste and go". Ctrl-T is New
page, Ctrl-Shift-V is Paste and go.
Arioch
>> I put there "Paste mouse selection" but it still pastes clipboard :(
>
> Yeah, "Paste mouse selection" is UNIX only.
>
Then it should be hidden from non-Unix GUI.
And if not hidden anyway - then it should show error.
And if it does not show error - then it is to be ignored, not produce
action different from what is asked ;)
>> And what can i customise, so that when midclicking on the page (noit
>> link nor edit widget) and having URL in clipboard - i will open new
>> page to that URL (Same like Ctrl+N(+T), Ctrl+D (Ctrl+Shift+V) ) ?
>>
>
> Try "Paste and go", or rather "New page & Paste and go". Ctrl-T is New
> page, Ctrl-Shift-V is Paste and go.
Where ??? What widget, and how to make sure that will not affect clicking
on links ?
Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:
Almost anywhere. Links ignore settings in the mouse setup file, and a
setting in a specific context always overrides a more general setting.
(That is, if you have a setting for Edit widget and do click in a field,
settings for Application or Browser window or Document window are ignored
in favor of the most specific context.) You'll disable panning mode with
that setting, but otherwise ...
There's a forum user named "shoust", he has a setup in which he defined
separate actions for middle-click in almost every context. He reports that
the link setting still works even with his setup. He's the inspiration for
this stuff, prior to his posts I didn't know you could customize
middle-click in 8.x (you couldn't in 7).
Mahesh
I am already a couple of days into Opera 9 :-)
I am facing one problem though I am not sure if it cannot be resolved
by changing some setting somewhere. When I read RSS newsfeeds, I find
that the pane where the message is shown is not utilising the complete
length of the window. That is, on a 1024 x 768 screen, it's probably
using only about 300 pixels or so. As a result, I am having to scroll
down to read the entire message. This was not the case in Opera 8.5
Hope you can reply soon.
-Mahesh
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
> Hi,
>
> I am already a couple of days into Opera 9 :-)
>
> I am facing one problem though I am not sure if it cannot be resolved
> by changing some setting somewhere. When I read RSS newsfeeds, I find
> that the pane where the message is shown is not utilising the complete
> length of the window. That is, on a 1024 x 768 screen, it's probably
> using only about 300 pixels or so. As a result, I am having to scroll
> down to read the entire message. This was not the case in Opera 8.5
You are proably using a customized mime.css designed for Opera 8. You'll
need to add a few rules (and can drop others, but that's not important) to
your mime.css. Probably these declarations:
*
{
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
div.headers, div.plainpart, div.htmlpart, div.attachments
{
line-height: 0;
}
object
{
display:block;
width: 100%;
height: -o-content-size;
}
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Tim Altman
<mch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:58:36 +0200, Tim Altman wrote:
>
>> Opera 9.0 Preview 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris is now
>> available. We are still at an early stage in the development of Opera 9
>> (code-name Merlin), however, we are very excited about the next version
>> of Opera and are releasing this Preview to the Community to give you a
>> taste of the new technologies and improved standards support we have
>> been working on lately. Some of the new features include:
>
>Would it be possible to make the RPMs relocatable?
>
>I prefer to keep Opera and OpenOffice.org under /opt. The OOo RPMs accept
>--prefix, but Opera tells me the RPM is not relocatable. Fortunately, I
>can use the tar file and install.sh.
Yeah, using the tar file is probably the best option.
Tim Altman
Support for the Atom 1.0 spec. Previously we only supported 0.3,
IINM.
>And i cannot find those generic warning console and per-sire preferences
There's no UI for site-specific prefs. The generic warning console is
available from Tools > JavaScript console.
Arioch
> Support for the Atom 1.0 spec. Previously we only supported 0.3,
> IINM.
Is it only for reading, or for posting messages too ?
>> And i cannot find those generic warning console and per-sire preferences
>
> The generic warning console is
> available from Tools > JavaScript console.
...so it is no more "JavaScript console" ? ;)
Tim Altman
<the_A...@nm.false-domain.ru> wrote:
>25.10.05 в 16:24 Tim Altman в своём письме писал(а):
>
>> Support for the Atom 1.0 spec. Previously we only supported 0.3,
>> IINM.
>
>Is it only for reading, or for posting messages too ?
Atom is as syndication format (like RSS), so only for reading.
>>> And i cannot find those generic warning console and per-sire preferences
>>
>> The generic warning console is
>> available from Tools > JavaScript console.
>
>...so it is no more "JavaScript console" ? ;)
The JS console is part of the generic warning console. It's not
*just* a JS console anymore.
Roger Johansson
Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
> You are proably using a customized mime.css designed for Opera 8. You
> need to add a few rules (and can drop others, but that's not important) to
> your mime.css. Probably these declarations:
Is there some url where I can download a mime.css which is suitable for
Opera 9? Which I can copy to user.css which is needed to display mail?
I don't know much about css files so I hesitate to write my own css
files.
My emails are shown in very small boxes, maybe 300pixels wide and 150
high. I would like to get rid of this problem.
I installed the beta over my old 8.5 installation, after making a
backup copy of the whole Opera folder. Did the beta not install its own
css files maybe?
Would it help if I installed beta9 in its own folder, does it have css
files which are suitable for the beta?
Could somebody publish a good mime.css file here in a message?
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Rijk van Geijtenbeek
> Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
>
>> You are proably using a customized mime.css designed for Opera 8. You
>> need to add a few rules (and can drop others, but that's not important)
>> to your mime.css. Probably these declarations:
>
> Is there some url where I can download a mime.css which is suitable for
> Opera 9? Which I can copy to user.css which is needed to display mail?
If you want mine, you can use this one:
http://people.opera.com/rijk/opera/css/mymime9.css
> I don't know much about css files so I hesitate to write my own css
> files.
>
> My emails are shown in very small boxes, maybe 300pixels wide and 150
> high. I would like to get rid of this problem.
>
> I installed the beta over my old 8.5 installation, after making a
> backup copy of the whole Opera folder. Did the beta not install its own
> css files maybe?
It definitely should have done that, by putting the old mime.css in the
/uninst/backup folder and a new mime.css in the /styles folder. If you
somehow have edited opera6.ini to point to a different CSS file for mails,
you'll have to make some changes yourself.
> Would it help if I installed beta9 in its own folder, does it have css
> files which are suitable for the beta?
Yes. That is also the recommended install method for technological
previews.
> Could somebody publish a good mime.css file here in a message?
>
>
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Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
> > Is there some url where I can download a mime.css which is suitable for
> > Opera 9? Which I can copy to user.css which is needed to display mail?
>
> If you want mine, you can use this one:
> http://people.opera.com/rijk/opera/css/mymime9.css
Thanks, exactly what I need, one or more examples of mime.css files, so
I can compare how they work.
> > I installed the beta over my old 8.5 installation, after making a
> > backup copy of the whole Opera folder. Did the beta not install its own
> > css files maybe?
> It definitely should have done that, by putting the old mime.css in the
> /uninst/backup folder and a new mime.css in the /styles folder. If you
> somehow have edited opera6.ini to point to a different CSS file for mails,
> you'll have to make some changes yourself.
I am using the user view always, with my user.css controlling the
layout, and that affects how mail are displayed, besides its other
functions. In such a case you have to copy mime.css to the appropriate
directory and change its name to user.css.
This is not installed by default, it probably should.
Otherwise all people who use the user view mode and also use M2 will
have to do this operation, copy the mime.css to user.css in
profiles/style dir.
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Roger Johansson
Roger Johansson wrote:
> > If you want mine, you can use this one:
> > http://people.opera.com/rijk/opera/css/mymime9.css
> Thanks, exactly what I need, one or more examples of mime.css files, so
> I can compare how they work.
I realized from the discussion here that I probably have a good
mime.css in place, so I could have just copied that mime.css to
user.css
Anyway, I have tried both yours and the beta9 mime.css and both work
fine.
Developers of Opera should make a note, copy mime.css to user.css to
give the user a default styling which makes it possible to view mails
in user mode.
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Rijk van Geijtenbeek
..
> Developers of Opera should make a note, copy mime.css to user.css to
> give the user a default styling which makes it possible to view mails
> in user mode.
IMHO, the fix for this problem is to disable the author mode/user mode
dichotomy in mail views. Mail views should always be 'author styles on'.
Roger Johansson
Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
> > Developers of Opera should make a note, copy mime.css to user.css to
> > give the user a default styling which makes it possible to view mails
> > in user mode.
> IMHO, the fix for this problem is to disable the author mode/user mode
> dichotomy in mail views. Mail views should always be 'author styles on'.
Nooo.. :-)
Let us keep the possibility to customize mail as well as web pages.
But the functions could be separated and use different style files for
user mode, author mode and web, mail. And make sure there is a
style sheet for each function installed as default.
The simplest fix for now is to just copy mime.css to
profile/styles/user.css during compilation of the program.
--
Roger J.
exclipy
>> give the user a default styling which makes it possible to view mails
>> in user mode.
>
> IMHO, the fix for this problem is to disable the author mode/user mode
> dichotomy in mail views. Mail views should always be 'author styles on'.
I thought this fix happened ages ago (8.0?)
Jonathan A.
<roge...@gmail.com> appears to have said:
> Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
>
>> IMHO, the fix for this problem is to disable the author mode/user mode
>> dichotomy in mail views. Mail views should always be 'author styles on'.
>
> Nooo.. :-)
>
> Let us keep the possibility to customize mail as well as web pages.
I don't see whay you couldn't still modify/replace mime.css. As things
are now, the beahvior doesn't make sense. If you run Opera with "user
mode" as default rendering, mail is an unstyled mess until you manually
set "author mode". A new user, who had just discovered "user mode" and
liked it enough to use it by default would surely think Opera was broken
when he/she tried to read mail.
IMO, "mime.css" should behave as "browser.css" does. If it's found, the
styles found within are applied, regardless whether the browser is in
"author mode" or user mode. Same with info.css. Ever try to read the
info panel in user mode? Ouch, it's painful. Mail/info are two things
that just don't make sense to attempt to view without styles applied.
JM2C,
Jonathan
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>>> Support for the Atom 1.0 spec. Previously we only supported 0.3,
>>> IINM.
>>
>> Is it only for reading, or for posting messages too ?
> Atom is as syndication format (like RSS), so only for reading.
Atom is blog format. AFAIR it is developed by Google's Blogger.com
And Opera still shows AtomAPI link on LiveJournal pages
Since, i think, Atom API is part of Atom specs, i hioed that M2 will
support posting same well as reading.
Ok, if no - then no.
Alok Saboo
There has been enuf debate on the utility of this feature. And the
amount of debate is an indication that a lot of people want this
feature and have to use other browser for their copy-paste needs. If
this can be introduced please do it to retain a lot of ppl like me.
Alok
Alexey Feldgendler
What is the Paste Special command supposed to do in Opera?
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Tim Altman
>>> Developers of Opera should make a note, copy mime.css to user.css to
>>> give the user a default styling which makes it possible to view mails
>>> in user mode.
>>
>> IMHO, the fix for this problem is to disable the author mode/user mode
>> dichotomy in mail views. Mail views should always be 'author styles on'.
>
>I thought this fix happened ages ago (8.0?)
No, I think just the shortcut was disabled in Opera Mail windows. If
you have user mode enabled when you access an Opera Mail window, it
will still change the display of messages.
Roger Johansson
Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
> > Developers of Opera should make a note, copy mime.css to user.css to
> > give the user a default styling which makes it possible to view mails
> > in user mode.
>
> IMHO, the fix for this problem is to disable the author mode/user mode
> dichotomy in mail views. Mail views should always be 'author styles on'.
I cannot understand the logic behind this.
If I use a very customizable browser to be able to see web sites as I
want to layout the information, why would I let all kinds of email
writers use my computer to create all kinds of layouts they like, like
small red font on a dark pink background?
If I wanted that kind of mail reader I would use Outlook Express and
leave html on, and let all spammers in the world do whatever they like
with my computer.
Let us users decide how emails are to be displayed, just like we have
the possibility to see web sites as we want to see them.
--
Roger J.
Richard Grevers
wrote:
The reasoning behing that statement is that mime.css, the only thing that
keeps email from being an incomprehensible muddle of headers and text in
Opera, is currently the status of an Author style rather than a User one.
--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Roger Johansson
Richard Grevers wrote:
> > Let us users decide how emails are to be displayed, just like we have
> > the possibility to see web sites as we want to see them.
> The reasoning behing that statement is that mime.css, the only thing that
> keeps email from being an incomprehensible muddle of headers and text in> Opera, is currently the status of an Author style rather than a User one.
I am not sure what you mean here.
The mime.css and user.css can be changed by the user, they are located
in the user's computer, so they clearly have the status of user style.
If mail and web pages are styled by the author of the web page or the
author of the email, either by using a style sheet or by html alone,
they have the status of author style.
People who use Opera because of the excellent possibilities to
customize and style the display will not like having their
possibilities crippled.
And there is no rational reason why we should give up the possibilities
to influence the style of emails as well as web pages, as far as I can
see.
Why not just make sure that there is a user.css present in the default
installation, to avoid the mess that appears if the user chooses user
mode and tries to use the mail section.
That saves us users from having to manually copy the mime.css file to a
user.css file and put it in the profile/styles directory.
--
Roger J.
Richard Grevers
wrote:
>
> Richard Grevers wrote:
>
>> > Let us users decide how emails are to be displayed, just like we have
>> > the possibility to see web sites as we want to see them.
>
>> The reasoning behing that statement is that mime.css, the only thing
>> that
>> keeps email from being an incomprehensible muddle of headers and text
>> in> Opera, is currently the status of an Author style rather than a
>> User one.
>
>
> I am not sure what you mean here.
>
> The mime.css and user.css can be changed by the user, they are located
> in the user's computer, so they clearly have the status of user style.
Not to the program - look at what currently happens when you turn off
author styles - mime.css is gone too. Hence it is being applied as an
author style. I agree with you that this is wrong. But given that Opera
defaults to not using user styles in author mode, I can see whay it was
implemented this way.
It would be better for Opera to disconnect the setting for viewing web
pages from affecting viewing of email - they are not the same.
Arioch
> Yeah, and wtf is the Enable Content Magic command supposed to do?!
Opera reads a a magic spell from the content scroll, then casts it to You,
and then scroll disappears ;)
Alexey Feldgendler
wrote:
>> Yeah, and wtf is the Enable Content Magic command supposed to do?!
> Opera reads a a magic spell from the content scroll, then casts it to
> You, and then scroll disappears ;)
Well, that's good. Personally I don't like scrolling much. ;-)