Opera Beta release
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Opera Beta for Windows is available for download. This is a public beta,
which means wider distribution, not just an announcement in the newsgroups
and forums. But as usual, please discuss the new version in opera.beta and
in the my.opera.com Beta testing forum.
Press release:
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2004/12/23/
Changelog:
http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/operabeta/
Changelog since preview 4:
http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/operabeta.html
Download:
http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b1
As a public beta, this is considered stable enough to test upgrading an
existing installation. But you can also choose to make a separate beta
installation. Note that the chosen directory name for the installation
will now be used for the desktop and start menu shortcuts as well, and for
naming the uninstall entry.
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Matthew Winn
> Opera Beta for Windows is available for download.
Yippee!
Comments:
I don't like the phrase "Advanced Opera workspace" on the startup
screen. That will be absolutely meaningless to anyone who isn't
familiar with Opera. Call it what it is: MDI. Those who know what
MDI is will understand what you mean, while those who don't know
what MDI is won't be any worse off than they are with "advanced
Opera workspace".
Please change the title of the "fit to window width" checkbox to
something shorter. That feature is _so_ useful I have the checkbox
on the screen at all times, but it gobbles up far too much space.
(How come such a useful feature doesn't have a key assigned to it by
default? It's far more useful than the small screen rendering, which
does have its own keystroke.)
Is it my imagination, or was Preferences > Page style > Enable frames
off by default? I'm sure I didn't turn it off when installing (unless
it was by accident), but I don't have room to install another copy to
see for myself.
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Jernej Simončič
> Please change the title of the "fit to window width" checkbox to
> something shorter.
You can just edit your standard_toolbar.ini, and change the text there:
[Browser Toolbar.content]
...
Checkbox16, "WW"=Enable mediumscreen mode | Disable mediumscreen mode
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Lars Sölter
> I don't like the phrase "Advanced Opera workspace" on the startup
> screen. That will be absolutely meaningless to anyone who isn't
> familiar with Opera. Call it what it is: MDI. Those who know what
> MDI is will understand what you mean, while those who don't know
> what MDI is won't be any worse off than they are with "advanced
> Opera workspace".
This is still the totally wrong way to handle the whole close button thingy.
Make it a seperate ceckbox. With the way, the options are at the moment. I
get still a tab bar cluttered with those huge ugly close buttons :-(((
Just a a checkbox to toggle between tabbar-closebutton and the MDI buttons.
A would perhaps a developer or support guy be so nice, to set his window
settings for only 4 days to "prefer seperate windows", to iron out all thos
small, but really annoing problems?
Regards, Lars
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
> those small, but really annoing problems?
I do that once in a while. And the mac testers often keep that setting, it
is their default. What annoying problems do you have? Personally, I can't
work comfortably in that mode when using the panels a lot, but other than
that?
Maurice
<ri...@operaremovethiz.com> wrote:
>
>
> Download:
>
> http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b1
>
>
> As a public beta, this is considered stable enough to test upgrading an
> existing installation. But you can also choose to make a separate beta
> installation. Note that the chosen directory name for the installation
> will now be used for the desktop and start menu shortcuts as well, and
> for naming the uninstall entry.
>
Has it been removed? Can't get it.
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Try this.. http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b and just hit download..
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Lars Sölter
> I do that once in a while. And the mac testers often keep that setting, it
> is their default. What annoying problems do you have? Personally, I can't
> work comfortably in that mode when using the panels a lot, but other than
The biggest problem, is the fact, that with "prefer seperate windows"
selected, "Start with no pages" is ignored. So Opera will allways open a
dummy page, when started with a supplied link.
The problem, that Opera often spawns a blank page, when starting a download,
is far more annoing, when this happens in as a new window, istead of a new
tab.
And not beeing a bug ... I would really like to be able, to one time in the
future, configure the behaviour (open in new tab/window) for
configuration/information windows (bookmarks, transfer, history, ...) and
websites/mail/im) seperately.
Regards, Lars
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
>> I do that once in a while. And the mac testers often keep that setting,
>> it is their default. What annoying problems do you have?
> The biggest problem, is the fact, that with "prefer seperate windows"
> selected, "Start with no pages" is ignored. So Opera will allways open a
> dummy page, when started with a supplied link.
In SDI (and especially on Mac), you can't start with an empty workspace,
so 'no page' becomes 'blank page' automatically. And yes, I agree that
blank page is not needed when starting Opera with a URL parameter.
> The problem, that Opera often spawns a blank page, when starting a
> download, is far more annoing, when this happens in as a new window,
> istead of a new tab.
>
> And not beeing a bug ... I would really like to be able, to one time in
> the future, configure the behaviour (open in new tab/window) for
> configuration/information windows (bookmarks, transfer, history, ...)
> and websites/mail/im) seperately.
For me, I would like to separate behavior for panels as opposed to
webpages. But I really should learn to work differently to make good use
of SDI, multi-page has become so normal for me. Want to check mail? I now
open the mail panel, click on Unread, and watch a new window open with the
mail view, while the existing window still has this mail panel open. That
feels untidy to me :). With a different method (say using the mail menu)
to start reading mail, I wouldn't have this 'problem'.
Matthew Winn
> on Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:55:04 +-0000 (UTC), Matthew Winn wrote:
>
> > Please change the title of the "fit to window width" checkbox to
> > something shorter.
>
> You can just edit your standard_toolbar.ini, and change the text there:
>
> [Browser Toolbar.content]
> ...
> Checkbox16, "WW"=Enable mediumscreen mode | Disable mediumscreen mode
Thanks.
Michael A Chase
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:36:52 -0600, Maurice <mba...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:28:46 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek
>> <ri...@operaremovethiz.com> wrote:
>>> Download:
>>>
>>> http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b1
>> Has it been removed? Can't get it.
>>
>
> Try this.. http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b and just hit download..
When I click on either link, I get the Opera 7.54u1 download screen.
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Michael A Chase
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:15:31 +0100, Freeliner wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:36:52 -0600, Maurice wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:28:46 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
>
>>>> Download:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b1
>
>>> Has it been removed? Can't get it.
>>>
>>>
>> Try this.. http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.00b and just hit
>> download..
>
> When I click on either link, I get the Opera 7.54u1 download screen.
I just noticed that Rijk said it was the Windows version available for
download. I guess I'll just have to wait for the Linux version.
Lars Sölter
> In SDI (and especially on Mac), you can't start with an empty workspace,
> so 'no page' becomes 'blank page' automatically. And yes, I agree that
> blank page is not needed when starting Opera with a URL parameter.
I (for my own usage allone) wouldn't care, how this options are ment to
work. As long as I don't get an extra window when starting with an URL
parameter. And yes, every single person I know or work for, and that has
Opera installed, would be happy to.
But with a broader look onto this ... ignoring a settting because of an
other, and not making the user aware of this, is bad GUI design. And finally
I don't get the point, why the setting should be ignored at all. Every one,
how loves SDI and would like to have a blank page at startup on his
MacOS/Windows/Linux or what ever, can switch it on, right know in the config
pages.
> For me, I would like to separate behavior for panels as opposed to
> webpages. But I really should learn to work differently to make good use
> of SDI, multi-page has become so normal for me. Want to check mail? I now
> open the mail panel, click on Unread, and watch a new window open with the
> mail view, while the existing window still has this mail panel open. That
> feels untidy to me :). With a different method (say using the mail menu)
> to start reading mail, I wouldn't have this 'problem'.
I think (and I allways wish this to happen) that Opera should be far more
flexible in configuring the behaviour of new window vs. new tab. At the
moment there are three settings (plus the bunch of additional options), that
try to handle the wishes of every user out there. Sadly, my wishes ere not
covered by them. But what is far mor worse, is that the options we have at
the moment, are not explaining them self to unexperienced users. Opera
Advanced Workspace is a really bad joke.
Why not make it possible, to configure every singe possible action in an
"Advanced" dialog.
Open pages supplied ...
by command line/DDE
by (different types of) links
by panes
by javascript
by internal mail
by internal IM
...
in new window or new tab (maximized or not maximized).
Open ...
Transfers
History
Bookmarks
Notes
Links
...
in new window, tab or panel.
To keep it small and simple, you could add some kind of pesets, that would
configure the above settings.
Regards, Lars