We invite users to discuss the Preview in the Forums and Newsgroups. When reporting bugs, please refer to our updated bug reporting guidelines: http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/.
Enjoy!
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:28:04 +0100, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid> wrote:
> Opera 9.0 Preview 2 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris is > now available. > [...] > We invite users to discuss the Preview in the Forums and Newsgroups.
Looks good, from what I've read (I havent played yet), BUT: Please let *me* decide whether or not there should always be at least one open tab! Yes, an empty opera background/workspace is probably useless, but leave that decision to me, thanks. This behavior is a regression to something that was tried and, rightly, abandoned in an earlier beta or preview in the 7 or 8 series. Back then, people protested too.
ALMIC. (At Least Make It Configurable)
Struggling to get it out of sight I found some issues with the initial tab itself. But don't fix them, just ditch the feature! :-)
* When focus is in the address field only ESC seems to unfocus it. Clicking the empty page does not. * To minimize it, the address field must be unfocused. Then pressing '4' will work - or you can "restore" the tab to make the minimize button appear. * Once minimized, you have to click the tab to show it again. Ctrl-tab or right-button+wheel won't work.
On 2006-02-07, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid> wrote:
> Opera 9.0 Preview 2 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris is > now available. <snip> > We invite users to discuss the Preview in the Forums and Newsgroups. > When reporting bugs, please refer to our updated bug reporting > guidelines: http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/.
On installing the 5-shared QT version on Mandriva Linux 2006 I get:
Could not find icon installation directory, icons not installed. File '/usr/share/applications/textdoc2.0.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master' that is missing a slash
On starting Opera, X hung, and I had to kill Opera from the console.
<k...@seidenfaden.net.cut> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:28:04 +0100, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid> > wrote:
>> Opera 9.0 Preview 2 for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris is >> now available. >> [...] >> We invite users to discuss the Preview in the Forums and Newsgroups.
> Looks good, from what I've read (I havent played yet), BUT: Please let > *me* decide whether or not there should always be at least one open > tab! Yes, an empty opera background/workspace is probably useless, but > leave that decision to me, thanks. This behavior is a regression to > something that was tried and, rightly, abandoned in an earlier beta or > preview in the 7 or 8 series. Back then, people protested too.
> ALMIC. (At Least Make It Configurable)
If you are in tabs mode (X on tabs), one tab will always be open. If you are in Full MDI mode (no X on tabs), you can still close all.
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:03:29 +0100, "Thomas von Frommannshausen"
<no...@nowhere.org> wrote: >If you are in tabs mode (X on tabs), one tab will always be open. >If you are in Full MDI mode (no X on tabs), you can still close all.
>For me, this distinction makes sense.
Which must be the reason it hasn't been like this before.
Like Klaus s. I'd want to be able to have the close button on the tab and the ability to close all tabs to get a perfectly empty Opera window (as it has been in 8.x and 9TP1).
As I pointed out every single time when a beta, a preview or (sometimes) a release version came out: It would be a good idea to make available an upgrade-install such that the new features and menu entries are available without losing one's customisation.
To get the Site Preferences entry in the <F12> menu I had to do a completely new install - into another directory for sure, potentially playing havoc with many system settings -, and then re-customise everything.
Whatever people think of separate installs of betas/previews, I don't want it. There is several reasons to install over an existing version, not the least of which is to see how an upgrade works (and it doesn't with Opera).
BTW, even in times when Opera was way more buggy and prone to frequent crashes, long before the late 6-series, I installed betas over releases for productive work.
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:03:29 +0100, Thomas von Frommannshausen
<no...@nowhere.org> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:26:27 +0100, Klaus Seidenfaden > <k...@seidenfaden.net.cut> wrote:
>> Looks good, from what I've read (I havent played yet), BUT: Please let >> *me* decide whether or not there should always be at least one open >> tab! Yes, an empty opera background/workspace is probably useless, but >> leave that decision to me, thanks. This behavior is a regression to >> something that was tried and, rightly, abandoned in an earlier beta or >> preview in the 7 or 8 series. Back then, people protested too.
> If you are in tabs mode (X on tabs), one tab will always be open. > If you are in Full MDI mode (no X on tabs), you can still close all.
Evo2Me <Evo...@GMX.net> wrote: >There is several reasons to install over an existing version, >not the least of which is to see how an upgrade works (and it doesn't >with Opera).
Typically the code needed to install reliably over a previous version isn't added and tested until the later betas or release candidates. We are currently testing technological previews, so your "testing the upgrade code" reasoning doesn't apply.
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:26:58 -0000, Andrew Cox <watercr...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On installing the 5-shared QT version on Mandriva Linux 2006 I get:
> Could not find icon installation directory, icons not installed. > File '/usr/share/applications/textdoc2.0.desktop' contains invalid > MIME type 'vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master' that is missing a slash
> On starting Opera, X hung, and I had to kill Opera from the console.
No problems (yet) here with the 5-shared QT version on Mandriva Linux 2006.
>> On starting Opera, X hung, and I had to kill Opera from the console.
> No problems (yet) here with the 5-shared QT version on Mandriva Linux 2006.
A fresh install worked on another box (albeit with the same error messages). Coulc be because the failing box was running KDE 3.5, and the working one 3.4.2?
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:54:24 +0100, Krzysztof Trybowski <trybow...@gazeta.pl.invalidd> wrote: > It seems to me that adding search engines doesn't work. There's no error, > but the engine doesn't appear anywhere...
For me it appears in "search.ini" in the profile directory. Works perfectly.
-- Matthew Winn [If replying by email remove the "r" from "urk"]
> We invite users to discuss the Preview in the Forums and Newsgroups. > When reporting bugs, please refer to our updated bug reporting > guidelines: http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/.
Looks nice, but on initial install my gui fonts were _tiny_. I had to manually increase it before the menus became usable.
DPI: 118, 115
Jan
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:39:42 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Winn wrote: > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:54:24 +0100, Krzysztof Trybowski <trybow...@gazeta.pl.invalidd> wrote: >> It seems to me that adding search engines doesn't work. There's no error, >> but the engine doesn't appear anywhere...
> For me it appears in "search.ini" in the profile directory. Works > perfectly.
OK, it works, but only when you type a shortcut. if you don't then there's no error and no action.
Dnia 07-02-2006 o 21:20:49 Krzysztof Trybowski <trybow...@gazeta.pl.invalidd> napisa³:
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:39:42 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Winn wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:54:24 +0100, Krzysztof Trybowski <trybow...@gazeta.pl.invalidd> wrote: >>> It seems to me that adding search engines doesn't work. There's no error, >>> but the engine doesn't appear anywhere...
>> For me it appears in "search.ini" in the profile directory. Works >> perfectly.
> OK, it works, but only when you type a shortcut. if you don't then there's > no error and no action.
Looks like automatic adding search engines doesn't work exactly like it should - lines in this config file are switched. And Opera doesn't recognize new configuration. I had to edit search.ini by myself and then everything was ok.
> Like Klaus s. I'd want to be able to have the close button on the tab > and the ability to close all tabs to get a perfectly empty Opera > window (as it has been in 8.x and 9TP1).
I think it'd be most intuitive to close the window if you try to close the last tab in it.
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:19:29 +0100, exclipy wrote: >> Like Klaus s. I'd want to be able to have the close button on the tab >> and the ability to close all tabs to get a perfectly empty Opera >> window (as it has been in 8.x and 9TP1).
Apart from nostalgic concerns (which can be valid), are there any specific use cases that have become impossible now?
> I think it'd be most intuitive to close the window if you try to close > the last tab in it.
That's what Firefox does (and Opera on Mac) and I don't like it. It is unexpected for me, because I'm used to the possibility of a no-page Opera, and restarting takes too much time. My ideal would be that the second, third etc Opera application window closes when closing the last tab, like Exclipy describes, but in the last (only) app Window, an empty tab is always present.
>> I think it'd be most intuitive to close the window if you try to close >> the last tab in it.
> That's what Firefox does (and Opera on Mac) and I don't like it. It is > unexpected for me,
I think in Tab mode (as opposed to MDI mode), this is the expected behaviour. I know I have already tried closing the window a few times with Ctrl-W. I don't think doing nothing is what most people expect.
Anyway, I'll probably switch back to MDI mode when I use Opera 9 properly so it won't matter me.
> My ideal would be that the second, third etc Opera application window > closes when closing the last tab, like Exclipy describes, but in the > last (only) app Window, an empty tab is always present.
That's a good idea and was actually exactly what I was going to suggest.
Or maybe one of those pesky popup boxes asking if you really want to quit Opera entirely.
I just wanted to send my congratulations and thanks to the Opera desktop team for doing such a good job on this preview. We were told by various staff at Opera before the release that they were working hard on it and that we were going to be impressed with this preview. They were dead right!
exclipy wrote: >> Like Klaus s. I'd want to be able to have the close button on the tab >> and the ability to close all tabs to get a perfectly empty Opera >> window (as it has been in 8.x and 9TP1).
> I think it'd be most intuitive to close the window if you try to close the > last tab in it.
Firefox does it this way and it is one of the reasons I do not use it. If I want to visit a web page I don't want to start a new browser instance every time, it just has to be there.
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:14:50 +0100, "Rijk van Geijtenbeek"
<r...@opera-dot-com.invalid> wrote: >Apart from nostalgic concerns (which can be valid), are there any specific >use cases that have become impossible now?
[I was the one you cited, so I answer] Apart from me double-clicking to get a new blank window: No. It just looks untidy to me.
Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote: > On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:19:29 +0100, exclipy wrote:
>>> Like Klaus s. I'd want to be able to have the close button on the tab >>> and the ability to close all tabs to get a perfectly empty Opera >>> window (as it has been in 8.x and 9TP1).
> Apart from nostalgic concerns (which can be valid), are there any > specific use cases that have become impossible now?
The problem (for me) with having a 'Blank page x' tab is that it sits there doing nothing for the entirety of my browsing session.
I suppose I could get used to using F8 for the first site of the day *just to use that first blank tab* but as I always use F2 to enter new URLs, why do I *have to* remember to use F8 for that first one?
