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Denis Haskin
May 21, 2013, 11:13:24 AM5/21/13
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How hard/easy is it to switch OTP (again, 0.9.1) to use Google Maps and their geocoding services? Or alternatively Bing or one of the other big providers? Are there existing adapters?
(Heresy, I know, but we have to stand up a demo instance in a tight timeframe and that might be the best way to go for this first pass.)
Shaun McDonald
May 21, 2013, 11:16:23 AM5/21/13
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Using OSM data and another provider for the background maps is going to look strange where the two datasets diverge. I would advise using an OSM based map background, such as through Mapquest Open, which is based on OSM.
They also have geocoding:
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Denis Haskin
May 21, 2013, 11:23:37 AM5/21/13
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Understood, thanks. Most of the providers don't let you do that anyway, according to their terms of service...
Matt Conway
May 21, 2013, 11:29:35 AM5/21/13
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Ooops, meant to reply all . . . sorry Shaun.
There is also the option of setting up a geocoder using the Nominatim package, with your OSM data as input. In Portland they use an Apache SOLR-based geocoder. Or if you're looking for something SaaS, you might try CloudMade, which offers 100k free geocodes and $15 per block of 100k after that.
Matt
Denis Haskin
May 21, 2013, 11:33:06 AM5/21/13
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CloudMade sounds interesting: thanks for reminding me about them.
I did a couple of Atlanta-area tests with Nominatim and the results were pretty poor, unfortunately. But I will revisit and see if I just picked addresses it had particular issues with.
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Denis Haskin
May 21, 2013, 2:15:51 PM5/21/13
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So to return to the original question: is it possible to configure OTP to use Google tiles *and* Google geocoding? Is it just configuration, or would I need to write some code?
(e.g. I wouldn't be using any OSM tiles/data at all in this case)
Thanks,
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Shaun McDonald <sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk> wrote:
Stefan Steiniger
May 21, 2013, 7:42:03 PM5/21/13
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Hi,
using Google Tiles should be easy (never used it though).
If you look into the config.js file you will find the spots where you
could replace original MapBox with OSM or MapQuest tiles.
About the ease for using another geocoder - don't know.
cheers
stefan
Am 21.05.13 14:15, schrieb Denis Haskin:
using Google Tiles should be easy (never used it though).
If you look into the config.js file you will find the spots where you
could replace original MapBox with OSM or MapQuest tiles.
About the ease for using another geocoder - don't know.
cheers
stefan
Am 21.05.13 14:15, schrieb Denis Haskin:
> So to return to the original question: is it possible to configure OTP
> to use Google tiles *and* Google geocoding? Is it just configuration,
> or would I need to write some code?
>
> (e.g. I wouldn't be using any OSM tiles/data at all in this case)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Shaun McDonald
> <sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk <mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk>> wrote:
>
> Using OSM data and another provider for the background maps is going
> to look strange where the two datasets diverge. I would advise using
> an OSM based map background, such as through Mapquest Open, which is
> based on OSM.
>
> They also have geocoding:
> http://open.mapquestapi.com/
>
> Shaun
>
> On 21 May 2013, at 16:13, Denis Haskin <de...@constantorbit.com
> to use Google tiles *and* Google geocoding? Is it just configuration,
> or would I need to write some code?
>
> (e.g. I wouldn't be using any OSM tiles/data at all in this case)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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> cell: 781-258-7414
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Shaun McDonald
> <sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk <mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk>> wrote:
>
> Using OSM data and another provider for the background maps is going
> to look strange where the two datasets diverge. I would advise using
> an OSM based map background, such as through Mapquest Open, which is
> based on OSM.
>
> They also have geocoding:
> http://open.mapquestapi.com/
>
> Shaun
>
> On 21 May 2013, at 16:13, Denis Haskin <de...@constantorbit.com
> <mailto:de...@constantorbit.com>> wrote:
>
>> How hard/easy is it to switch OTP (again, 0.9.1) to use Google
>> Maps and their geocoding services? Or alternatively Bing or one of
>> the other big providers? Are there existing adapters?
>>
>> (Heresy, I know, but we have to stand up a demo instance in a
>> tight timeframe and that might be the best way to go for this
>> first pass.)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
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>> How hard/easy is it to switch OTP (again, 0.9.1) to use Google
>> Maps and their geocoding services? Or alternatively Bing or one of
>> the other big providers? Are there existing adapters?
>>
>> (Heresy, I know, but we have to stand up a demo instance in a
>> tight timeframe and that might be the best way to go for this
>> first pass.)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
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MikeN
May 21, 2013, 8:14:45 PM5/21/13
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While I haven't done this, it *should* be a straightforward configuration to use Google Tiles and Google geocoding, for the Geocoder, depending on the Google Geocoding API. Google may also allow you to perform interactive queries (results are returned interactively as characters are typed), but would also require some Javascript client browser code.
As noted previously, Google won't let you use their data for OTP routing, and the results may be strange when the OpenStreetmap data diverges from Google's map tiles. But if you also use Google for the route, then there's no involvement for OTP by then.
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:15:51 PM UTC-4, Denis Haskin wrote:
As noted previously, Google won't let you use their data for OTP routing, and the results may be strange when the OpenStreetmap data diverges from Google's map tiles. But if you also use Google for the route, then there's no involvement for OTP by then.
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:15:51 PM UTC-4, Denis Haskin wrote:
So to return to the original question: is it possible to configure OTP to use Google tiles *and* Google geocoding? Is it just configuration, or would I need to write some code?(e.g. I wouldn't be using any OSM tiles/data at all in this case)Thanks,
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Shaun McDonald <sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk> wrote:
Using OSM data and another provider for the background maps is going to look strange where the two datasets diverge. I would advise using an OSM based map background, such as through Mapquest Open, which is based on OSM.They also have geocoding:
On 21 May 2013, at 16:13, Denis Haskin <de...@constantorbit.com> wrote:
How hard/easy is it to switch OTP (again, 0.9.1) to use Google Maps and their geocoding services? Or alternatively Bing or one of the other big providers? Are there existing adapters?(Heresy, I know, but we have to stand up a demo instance in a tight timeframe and that might be the best way to go for this first pass.)
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Andrew Byrd
May 21, 2013, 8:38:46 PM5/21/13
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Mapbox provides gorgeous map tiles based on OpenStreetMap data.
http://www.mapbox.com/showcase/
You just need to register for an account with them. You'll get 3000 map
views per month for free, and it's 5USD for 10000 views per month.
-Andrew
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http://www.mapbox.com/showcase/
You just need to register for an account with them. You'll get 3000 map
views per month for free, and it's 5USD for 10000 views per month.
-Andrew
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>> How hard/easy is it to switch OTP (again, 0.9.1) to use Google
>> Maps and their geocoding services? Or alternatively Bing or
>> one of the other big providers? Are there existing adapters?
>>
>> (Heresy, I know, but we have to stand up a demo instance in a
>> tight timeframe and that might be the best way to go for this
>> first pass.)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
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>> How hard/easy is it to switch OTP (again, 0.9.1) to use Google
>> Maps and their geocoding services? Or alternatively Bing or
>> one of the other big providers? Are there existing adapters?
>>
>> (Heresy, I know, but we have to stand up a demo instance in a
>> tight timeframe and that might be the best way to go for this
>> first pass.)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
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Denis Haskin
May 22, 2013, 8:29:23 AM5/22/13
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If we went with Mapbox, what would be our alternatives for geocoding? (Sorry for the newbie-ish questions, trying to ramp up fast here.)
Denis Haskin
May 22, 2013, 8:43:14 AM5/22/13
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We would not be using Google for the routing. And we understand that if we use Google for the tiles and geocoding, but OTP for the routing, there may be divergences between the data sets that lead to unexpected results. That's something we're willing to experiment with to see what the various trade-offs are for this phase of this project.
Thanks,
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Laurent GRÉGOIRE
May 22, 2013, 8:50:34 AM5/22/13
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On 22/05/2013 14:43, Denis Haskin wrote:
> We would not be using Google for the routing. And we understand that if
> we use Google for the tiles and geocoding, but OTP for the routing,
> there may be divergences between the data sets that lead to unexpected
> results. That's something we're willing to experiment with to see what
> the various trade-offs are for this phase of this project.
This divergence used to be a nuisance in our area some years ago, but
> We would not be using Google for the routing. And we understand that if
> we use Google for the tiles and geocoding, but OTP for the routing,
> there may be divergences between the data sets that lead to unexpected
> results. That's something we're willing to experiment with to see what
> the various trade-offs are for this phase of this project.
recently we saw a broad convergence movement between OSM and commercial
data-sets.
As always you have to test yourself to assess it, but there is usually
only one (evolving) physical reality; and in the long term all data-sets
tend to converge with it.
HTH,
--Laurent
Denis Haskin
May 22, 2013, 10:35:24 AM5/22/13
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Good to hear, thanks. And I'm seriously considering putting that on a t-shirt: "there is usually only one (evolving) physical reality; and in the long term all data-sets tend to converge with it."
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