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Emmanuel Gilloz

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Jan 16, 2013, 9:09:25 AM1/16/13
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https://cubehero.com/ ? :)

(from http://makingsociety.com/2012/10/4-sharing-platforms-for-open-3d-prints/ )

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    Andrew Mazzotta <andrewm...@gmail.com> Jan 15 01:56PM -0500  

    If 3dhacker.com could support it I would love to add this feature to the
    siite. I'm looking to make 3dhacker.com into a free/cheapest all-in-one
    place for 3d printing.
     
    @Bryan, I have a domain name "downloadhardware.com" which I registered
    since hearing one of your YouTube presentations. Could be a great name for
    this idea.
     
     
     
     
     

     

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John Griessen

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Jan 16, 2013, 1:45:29 PM1/16/13
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On 01/16/2013 08:09 AM, Emmanuel Gilloz wrote:
> https://cubehero.com/ ? :)
>


Hmm... licensing tab shows just copyright about content so their code above git is closed.

"The look and feel of the Service is copyright ©2012 Cubehero Inc. All rights reserved.
You may not duplicate, copy, or reuse any portion of the HTML/CSS, Javascript, or visual
design elements or concepts without express written permission from Cubehero. "

I'll study them for how to add such visual appeal features to my stuff without infringing them,
but don't like the idea of a hosted service when fossil seems to be able to create distributed swarms
of websites about open S/w and H/W projects.

"Built on top of git, you can track changes to your project as it evolves. You always have a local copy with the entire change
history." So they use git in a central server repos mode.

Just learned about fossil. Will find out more soon.



> (from http://makingsociety.com/2012/10/4-sharing-platforms-for-open-3d-prints/ )
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> 2013/1/16 <openmanu...@googlegroups.com <mailto:openmanu...@googlegroups.com>>
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> * [thingiverse] developing an alternative site? <#13c432be7241581e_group_thread_0> [2 Updates]
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> [thingiverse] developing an alternative site? <http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/t/418138c384321e63>
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> Bryan Bishop <kan...@gmail.com <mailto:kan...@gmail.com>> Jan 15 11:10AM -0600
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> From: Marcus Wolschon <marcus....@gmail.com <mailto:marcus....@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:56 AM
> Subject: [thingiverse] developing an alternative site?
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> Anyone up to develop an alternative site?
> At least help in brainstorming the ideas and coming up with options
> (e.g. where to host the files and images)?
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> https://github.com/MarcusWolschon/homeprototype/wiki
> https://github.com/MarcusWolschon/homeprototype/wiki/People
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> We're still filling up the wiki, starting to brainstorm and plan and
> have a quick skaffolding to experiment with:
> http://homeprototype.org/
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> Andrew Mazzotta <andrewm...@gmail.com <mailto:andrewm...@gmail.com>> Jan 15 01:56PM -0500
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> If 3dhacker.com <http://3dhacker.com> could support it I would love to add this feature to the
> siite. I'm looking to make 3dhacker.com <http://3dhacker.com> into a free/cheapest all-in-one
> place for 3d printing.
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> @Bryan, I have a domain name "downloadhardware.com <http://downloadhardware.com>" which I registered
> since hearing one of your YouTube presentations. Could be a great name for
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John Griessen

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Bryan Bishop

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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM, John Griessen <jo...@industromatic.com> wrote:
So they use git in a  central server repos mode.

Huh? There is no "central server repos mode" for git. You just add multiple remote repos and you push to whatever you like.

John Griessen

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Jan 16, 2013, 2:08:17 PM1/16/13
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On 01/16/2013 12:59 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> Huh? There is no "central server repos mode" for git.


How do you think they (https://cubehero.com/) make this claim?

John Griessen

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Jan 21, 2013, 3:05:46 PM1/21/13
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On 01/21/2013 12:03 PM, Wil Chung wrote:
> John,
>
> Hi there, thanks for the feedback. Thanks for letting me know about your situation with the licenses. I'm currently working on
> being able to delete files in your repo, and will swing around to the licenses soon. I'll keep you updated when you can designate
> different licenses.
>
> Originally, I wasn't sure how licenses would work when there was versioning.

If one changes the license from more public to
> private, does that mean all other versions before are now private?

When you say private, I don't think you mean closed source trade secret -- you might mean
like GPL, where you are free to make products for sale, and free to charge for forms of documentation
as long as you distribute the docs in an accessible way via the internet.
In talking about open manufacturing we usually shorten the license names to
1. BSD or MIT style or attribution
2. free open source == GPL TAPR (viral -- derivative works cannot go closed)
3. non-commercial CC_NC == freeware == no hardware equivalent (crippled teaser SW to get you to buy robust SW for sale)

"does that mean all other versions before are now private?"
No. Derivative works of a free open licensed design follow the original license, and the only
ones that can go back to closed are the original owners, and that would not even be on your site...

A case would be start with CC-NC, then go to GPL. GPL is less restrictive, so no trouble, (both are
viral wrt derivative works).

Now consider starting CC-NC, then go to GPL, then making another version and changing to BSD license,
which restricts nothing, just limits liability and is similar to CC-SA, asking for attribution.
I think you would need a separate repository to keep all your licensees happy, and if you are sole
owner of the IP, you could. BSD licensed design IP can be incorporated into closed trade secret works.

For now, the easy solution is to just make a license that
> applies across the versions of your project, and the versioned licensing will happen later.

Sure. If they change license, they will need two repository listings in most cases. The same
code of docs can be licensed both ways by the author. They have to have clear single ownership
to do that though, so most community projects

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