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Eric Hunting  
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 More options Feb 17 2009, 9:09 am
From: Eric Hunting <erichunt...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:09:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Speculative Hacking
I share these sentiments and think this is a fine idea for cultivating  
some progressive focus in the community. But it may need help in  
getting exposure in the larger community. I'm noticing that the  
different mailing list forums are tending to represent relatively  
small groups and a large portion of the potentially active community  
may not be using them at all. This might be more powerful an  
initiative if promoted in some way on the web sites that attract the  
most Maker community attention at present, perhaps in the form of a  
multi-site competition for the best demonstration of Speculative  
Hacking, or as I might call it 'Progressive Making', as voted by the  
audience of viewers. This would both get people active in more  
progressive projects and get the community collectively thinking about  
what progressive activity means.

Eric Hunting
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On Feb 7, 2009, at 5:00 AM, openmanufacturing group wrote:


 
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Eric Hunting  
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 More options Feb 17 2009, 11:49 am
From: Eric Hunting <erichunt...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:49:20 -0700
Local: Tues, Feb 17 2009 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Dear lazyweb, thank you for the fablab
Congratulations. How much space do you think you have for subletting?  
First thing that comes to my mind is cell phone towers, but that's not  
usually done in a subletting arrangement and the deals seem to be very  
providential. If the lab is more public and the space small, perhaps  
vending machine operators for a snack room would be appropriate. After  
that, the most likely is some small business where the owner may be  
using the lab tools part time. If you are getting a high-fallutin' net  
connection (my term for bandwidth above DSL) to the lab, server bank  
space is another possibility that can also defray the net access costs.

OpenProject (the open version of MS Project) might be a good place to  
start with management software. Project management packages seem to  
vary now between continuous interrupt-driven task and contact  
management -which is probably more appropriate to your needs- to the  
more traditional Gantt chart based serial project management more  
suited to contracting and construction. I tend to favor the Mac for  
this category of software because it suits the user interface better  
and results in more intuitive programs, though some are overly dumbed-
down.

Lightweight bookkeeping should be sufficient for this, but they have  
become overspecialized in their models and can sometimes be tough to  
adapt. I can't recommend the most popular one myself; QuickBooks. That  
program proved to be a nightmare for me. I've used most every kind of  
software there is at one point or another and that was the only  
program that ever made me feel lost and stupid every time I ran it,  
always leaving me with an end-of-the-year mess and an accountant  
shrugging his shoulders and shaking his head despite the fact that my  
small business now does every transaction through bank transfers and I  
almost never touch money. I have no math skills to speak of, yet even  
Mathematica was vastly more intuitive! Thankfully, there has been a  
lot of growth in open source forms of this software so you now have a  
lot to choose from there.

Bookkeeping systems with inventory management features tend to manage  
inventory in a very minimalist way, treating it like an 'account'  
associated with specific suppliers. Makes sense for businesses with  
few inventory items in small volumes you need only track by name and  
where someone wants to look at it more in terms of cash flow analysis.  
But it's useless for a complex inventory with more data associated  
with each item. A more dedicated inventory management system makes  
sense when you need to handle larger numbers of items and track their  
physical locations, with more complex information stored on each item  
such as multiple suppliers, pictures, tech reference material, catalog  
descriptions, etc., where more than one person is interacting with the  
inventory, and where you have to plug-into Point-Of-Purchase. PoP/
Inventory are commonly bundled together. Even if you're not actually  
selling anything, repurposing PoP to track 'check out' of materials by  
patrons might be a smart idea for automating inventory management and  
keeping tabs on who is using what and when. Library systems also have  
potential like this, but don't understand consumables. In this case  
bookkeeping is dealing with inventory only in terms of supplier  
invoices under a generalized AP (accounts payable) inventory category  
which can be processed independently of inventory management itself.

Eric Hunting
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Bryan Bishop  
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 More options Feb 18 2009, 10:57 am
From: Bryan Bishop <kanz...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:57:39 -0600
Local: Wed, Feb 18 2009 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [Open Manufacturing] Re: Dear lazyweb, thank you for the fablab

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Eric Hunting wrote:
> Congratulations. How much space do you think you have for subletting?

A little under half of it. Apparently I'm not supposed to be spewing
forth details (actual numbers), since it "doesn't exist" quite yet.
;-)

> providential. If the lab is more public and the space small, perhaps
> vending machine operators for a snack room would be appropriate. After

Yes, I think a few snack machines or other vending machines are
planned. The other day, fenn suggested a vending machine for baggies
of small parts, but that's somewhat another issue.

> that, the most likely is some small business where the owner may be
> using the lab tools part time. If you are getting a high-fallutin' net
> connection (my term for bandwidth above DSL) to the lab, server bank
> space is another possibility that can also defray the net access costs.

Right. I suspect that if if we host websites, some people would be
interested in some virtual servers, dedicated servers, or free shared
web hosting accounts, simply because it's a super awesome initiative
to be supporting, for those not able to physically make it down here
to play around with the (physical) tools.

> OpenProject (the open version of MS Project) might be a good place to
> start with management software. Project management packages seem to
> vary now between continuous interrupt-driven task and contact
> management -which is probably more appropriate to your needs- to the
> more traditional Gantt chart based serial project management more
> suited to contracting and construction. I tend to favor the Mac for
> this category of software because it suits the user interface better
> and results in more intuitive programs, though some are overly dumbed-
> down.

Hm. Okay. I haven't considered it like that- the spectrum of
interrupt-driven task management versus jobs/contracts management.
I've always had a fondness for hierarchical outliners to help manage
my (massive) todo lists, but on the other hand, too much time spent
managing these todo lists can go in the wrong direction very quickly.
So that has to be watched out for. I've been meaning to send out some
notes on a project templating system that would be like 'autotools'
except integrated into the shop's system, such as for ordering parts
when supplies get estimated to be low (or noticed to be low), or for
keeping track of the numbers of used hardware and such, or for
spawning new projects and typical project management tools like
calendars, contacts, todo lists, source files, etc., which might be a
good way to integrate all projects under one roof, though that might
stiffle spur of the moment things that still need to be integrated
despite not being "a really big deal". Hm.

> Lightweight bookkeeping should be sufficient for this, but they have
> become overspecialized in their models and can sometimes be tough to
> adapt. I can't recommend the most popular one myself; QuickBooks. That

Yeah, I'd like to keep bookkeeping fully automated via software, to
the greatest possible extent. I'm sure there's some open source
equivalents of QuickBooks or something else. Worst-case scenario, I
end up finding myself programming a database app, not a big deal
though.

Library systems do souond to be about the right model here. Some
OCR/scanning equipment and ability to print labels wouldn't hurt
either. I wonder if anyone on this list, running other fablabs and
such, have any experience with particular management styles? Smari
mentioned a few weeks ago not sweating the small stuff, and making it
up with a 10% markup on the big stuff, are there any other ideas to
look into?

- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
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