Fwd: [Cosmic Engineers] P2P Space Agency
Bryan Bishop
From: Eschatoon Magic <esch...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:45 AM
Subject: [Cosmic Engineers] P2P Space Agency
To: cosmic-e...@googlegroups.com
I have put up a page on both the main and public cosmeng wikis:
http://cosmeng.org/index.php/P2P_Space_Agency
http://cosmeng.org/publicwiki/index.php/P2P_Space_Agency
Remember that everyone can edit the page on the public wiki and that
in most cases (if the public wiki page has not been eaten by spambots
etc.) the content of the public wiki is copied to the equivalent place
in the main wiki after a few days.
Of course the biggest question is where the money comes from. I agree
with Andrew that a space venture can have commercial spinoffs, for
example this idea to sell telepresence in lunar or planetary outposts.
Or selling web hosting in space (a webserver on the Moon seems a cool
idea) or something.
Last year we tried with David and others to launch a similar
initiative called Lunarez
http://lunarez.net/ - take a look now because the website will expire soon
but the plan did not fly because the team was stopped by technical
details much too soon, perhaps we can launch the P2P Space Agency by a
cosmeng - NET joint initiative or something.
G.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Isen hand <isen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Any p2p network aimed at building a space programme doesn't have to have
> every part if it specifically space orientated. You and I many not have the
> skills to build a space craft but we might have skills to do something else
> to generate money. That money could help to fund other parts of the network
> that can do something to build a space craft or fund something of use
> outside the network. Also, groups might not have the ability to directly
> contribute but they might have the ability to provide services etc. for
> free that can indirectly help.
>
> Just as an example, the network that I'm working with aims to build a
> hi-tech sustainable socioeconomic system but non of the companies that we
> have at the moment nor plan to implement have anything directly to do with
> sustainability. We have a web design company and a computer hardware company
> in operation but we also have a translation company in planning. The idea we
> have centres around building these companies up and adding some more so they
> will generate the resources needed to build communities that are
> sustainable. They also provide, as best they can, free services to other
> members of the network.
>
> I see no reason why this network could not be extended to include building a
> space programme.
>
> Andrew
>
> ---
>
> Dr. Andrew Wallace PhD
> Director of the Network of European Technocrats
> http://en.technocracynet.eu
>
> ________________________________
> From: Remi Sussan <remi....@gmail.com>
> To: cosmic-e...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 7:43:54
> Subject: [Cosmic Engineers] Re: Is Science Fiction Responsible for the Lack
> of Interest in Space Exploration?
>
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>> My recipe for a solution: get big space agencies out of the way and
>> give the initiative back to space interest groups and P2P networks,
>> and small innovative companies.
>
> Ok, how can this be done? What can amateurs or small companies do in this
> field? What are the technologies available to lay people ? Can a DIY-space
> travel be imagined, like the DIY biology movement ? (perhaps BTW the two can
> be connected, and working on tiny toy-biospheres may be be a good way to
> begin)
>
>
> Remi
>
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> >
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Eschatoon Magic
http://cosmeng.org/index.php/Eschatoon
aka Giulio Prisco
http://cosmeng.org/index.php/Giulio_Prisco
Smári McCarthy
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I've been discussing with a colleague of mine for a couple of months the
design of a low bandwidth satellite swarm... the point being to launch a
lot of basketball-sized sats into LEO to provide satellite uplink
distributed Internet for communities that don't otherwise have it. That
said, it'll probably be flooded by spambots the second it's up anyway.
Launching that kind of thing is free if it's lightweight and non-profit
(preferably through some HAM radio thing)..
This at any rate sounds like a job for the P2P Space Agency.
- Smári
Smári McCarthy
sm...@yaxic.org http://smari.yaxic.org
(+354) 662 2701 - "Technology is about people"
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Bryan Bishop
> I've been discussing with a colleague of mine for a couple of months the
> design of a low bandwidth satellite swarm... the point being to launch a
> lot of basketball-sized sats into LEO to provide satellite uplink
> distributed Internet for communities that don't otherwise have it. That
> said, it'll probably be flooded by spambots the second it's up anyway.
>
> Launching that kind of thing is free if it's lightweight and non-profit
> (preferably through some HAM radio thing)..
Another already existing initiative that you might want to look into
is the pingpongsat people. Not basketballs but rather ping pongs. This
doesn't give you the area necessary for an antennae, perhaps, but
could you imagine the sort of effort you could get schools to do? I
don't mean to promote child slavery for labor, but seriously, kids
would have a lot of fun poking a few holes in pingpong balls and then
filling it up with a few key components. Launch a few hundred thousand
balls into orbit, you might see something interesting happening. I
don't know how long they will stay in orbit. Guess that's another set
of calculations to put on the todo list.
- Bryan
albanetcsr
example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CubeSat and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSCAR
CubeSat costs:
http://www.pumpkininc.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000013.html
"In general, launch costs are around $40,000-$50,000 per U (i.e. per
kg). So a 1U CubeSat Kit launched into space will have real material +
launch costs of around $100,000. This of course does not count labor
costs. A 2U (w/ADACS) is ca. $200,000 and a 3U (w/ADACS) is around
$250,000-$300,000."
It seems that the major costs are:
Launch $40,000+/kg
ADACS - reaction wheel attitude control system - $50K (http://
www.imicro.biz/space.html), however smallest CubeSats don't have even
that
I wonder how much of that could be open sourced and made for
significantly less.
> > details much too soon, perhaps we can launch the P2P Space Agency by a
> > cosmeng - NET joint initiative or something.
>
> > G.
>
> >> Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 7:43:54
> >> Subject: [Cosmic Engineers] Re: Is Science Fiction Responsible for the Lack
> >> of Interest in Space Exploration?
>
> >>> My recipe for a solution: get big space agencies out of the way and
> >>> give the initiative back to space interest groups and P2P networks,
> >>> and small innovative companies.
> >> Ok, how can this be done? What can amateurs or small companies do in this
> >> field? What are the technologies available to lay people ? Can a DIY-space
> >> travel be imagined, like the DIY biology movement ? (perhaps BTW the two can
> >> be connected, and working on tiny toy-biospheres may be be a good way to
> >> begin)
>
> >> Remi
>
> > --
> > Eschatoon Magic
> >http://cosmeng.org/index.php/Eschatoon
> > aka Giulio Prisco
> >http://cosmeng.org/index.php/Giulio_Prisco
>
> - --
> Smári McCarthy
> sm...@yaxic.org http://smari.yaxic.org
> (+354) 662 2701 - "Technology is about people"
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