You Can See Romney Grinning . . . From Outer Space

[mg]

Europe is slowing down and is in big trouble. India is slowing down.
China is slowing down and there is nothing but ugly numbers out this
morning on the U.S. economy. Stock futures before the open are way
down. Commodities have been getting slaughtered for a long time now.
Crude oil is down to about $83/bbl (but gas prices aren't down much of
course). The yield on the 10-yr bond now under 1.5%. Germany's DAX is
down over 3% this morning and the Germans have the best economy in
Europe. The DOW is down about 175 right now.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788

When you think about it, the terrorists didn't really do much damage
to the U.S. economy on 9/11, but the mess that Bush left us in is
probably about the worst in U.S. history. Will we ever completely
recover from this? I doubt it.

[OccupySpring]

On Jun 1, 9:46 am, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Europe is slowing down and is in big trouble. India is slowing down.
> China is slowing down and there is nothing but ugly numbers out this
> morning on the U.S. economy. Stock futures before the open are way
> down. Commodities have been getting slaughtered for a long time now.
> Crude oil is down to about $83/bbl (but gas prices aren't down much of
> course). The yield on the 10-yr bond now under 1.5%. Germany's DAX is
> down over 3% this morning and the Germans have the best economy in

> Europe. The DOW is down about 175 right now.http://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788

>
> When you think about it, the terrorists didn't really do much damage
> to the U.S. economy on 9/11, but the mess that Bush left us in is
> probably about the worst in U.S. history. Will we ever completely
> recover from this? I doubt it.

Part of a bigger plan? They know how to fix it, the question is why
they arent fixing it? Why did Bush give tax cuts to billionaires at
the same time he knew it would cost billions for the war in iraq? It
sounds like some want a full world wide collapse. Not everyone one
loses money when the stock market crashes some make money...How do
they make money when everyone else is losing money?

[thema...@aol.com]

what bush did was done on purpose, he lowered the standard of living in america so we are more comparable to china and india, bushes goal, half met, was to make us a third world country, a two class plutocracy, ratt romney is out to finish the job bush started....beware the ratt

When you think about it, the terrorists didn't really do much damage
to the U.S. economy on 9/11, but the mess that Bush left us in is
probably about the worst in U.S. history. Will we ever completely
recover from this? I doubt it.

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[OccupySpring]

"bushes goal, half met"


Put Romney into office, the other half of the goal will be met!

On Jun 1, 10:11 am, thematte...@aol.com wrote:
> what bush did was done on purpose, he lowered the standard of living in america so we are more comparable to china and india, bushes goal, half met, was to make us a third world country, a two class plutocracy, ratt romney is out to finish the job bush started....beware the ratt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com>
> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO <opendeb...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:46 am
> Subject: You Can See Romney Grinning . . . From Outer Space
>
> Europe is slowing down and is in big trouble. India is slowing down.

> hina is slowing down and there is nothing but ugly numbers out this

> orning on the U.S. economy. Stock futures before the open are way

> own. Commodities have been getting slaughtered for a long time now.

> rude oil is down to about $83/bbl (but gas prices aren't down much of

> ourse). The yield on the 10-yr bond now under 1.5%. Germany's DAX is

> own over 3% this morning and the Germans have the best economy in

> urope. The DOW is down about 175 right now.

> ttp://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788
> When you think about it, the terrorists didn't really do much damage

> o the U.S. economy on 9/11, but the mess that Bush left us in is

> robably about the worst in U.S. history. Will we ever completely

> ecover from this? I doubt it.
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[OccupySpring]

and then Lew, will for sure lose his pension plan!

On Jun 1, 10:11 am, thematte...@aol.com wrote:

> what bush did was done on purpose, he lowered the standard of living in america so we are more comparable to china and india, bushes goal, half met, was to make us a third world country, a two class plutocracy, ratt romney is out to finish the job bush started....beware the ratt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com>
> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO <opendeb...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:46 am
> Subject: You Can See Romney Grinning . . . From Outer Space
>
> Europe is slowing down and is in big trouble. India is slowing down.

> hina is slowing down and there is nothing but ugly numbers out this

> orning on the U.S. economy. Stock futures before the open are way

> own. Commodities have been getting slaughtered for a long time now.

> rude oil is down to about $83/bbl (but gas prices aren't down much of

> ourse). The yield on the 10-yr bond now under 1.5%. Germany's DAX is

> own over 3% this morning and the Germans have the best economy in

> urope. The DOW is down about 175 right now.

> ttp://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788
> When you think about it, the terrorists didn't really do much damage

> o the U.S. economy on 9/11, but the mess that Bush left us in is

> robably about the worst in U.S. history. Will we ever completely

> ecover from this? I doubt it.
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I have told kreepy several times that if mkkkain had been elected, kreepy would be living under an overpass, fighting feral dogs for rat meat....

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[EARL DOYLE]

MG, correct the stock market going down, economy also, country is in a
deeper recession close to a depression we invade SYRIA and start WWIII
to make the rich, richer

just like the NEW WORLD ORDER planned

[OccupySpring]

On Jun 1, 1:38 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MG, correct the stock market going down, economy also, country is in a
> deeper recession close to a depression we invade SYRIA and start WWIII
> to make the rich, richer

what will happen if we go into a third world war?

>
> just like the NEW WORLD ORDER planned

The Christians want it to happen, They think this is predicted in the
bible.

[mg]

The Republicans created the big deficit and huge debt on purpose with
their starve-the-beast strategy. The basic idea is to "bankrupt" the
government and use the deficits as an excuse to cut programs like
Social Security, Medicare, FEMA, OSHA, and the EPA, etc. I did a post
on the subject in April 2009. Wikipedia also has an article on the
Republican starve-the-beast strategy:
http://tinyurl.com/NewTestamentRighties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

There are some interesting, background articles on the starve-the-
beast strategy at the following websites:
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/29/us/dole-in-choosing-kemp-buried-a-bitter-past-rooted-in-doctrine.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
http://tinyurl.com/KemptheRightard

They didn't, however, cause the economic collapse on purpose. That all
started with Bush's ownership society and was caused by greed and
incompetence.

On Jun 1, 7:46 am, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Europe is slowing down and is in big trouble. India is slowing down.
> China is slowing down and there is nothing but ugly numbers out this
> morning on the U.S. economy. Stock futures before the open are way
> down. Commodities have been getting slaughtered for a long time now.
> Crude oil is down to about $83/bbl (but gas prices aren't down much of
> course). The yield on the 10-yr bond now under 1.5%. Germany's DAX is
> down over 3% this morning and the Germans have the best economy in

> Europe. The DOW is down about 175 right now.http://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788

[EARL DOYLE]

what will happen if we go into a third world war?

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i don't know, all i can think of what happened after WWI and WWII

Seemed like the economy improved

so i'm lost

[OccupySpring]

On Jun 1, 8:10 pm, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Republicans created the big deficit and huge debt on purpose with
> their starve-the-beast strategy. The basic idea is to "bankrupt" the
> government and use the deficits as an excuse to cut programs like
> Social Security, Medicare, FEMA, OSHA, and the EPA, etc. I did a post
> on the subject in April 2009. Wikipedia also has an article on the
> Republican starve-the-beast strategy:http://tinyurl.com/NewTestamentRightieshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

all the programs that help people in need and the programs set up to
protect us from corporate greed. How scary,

>
> There are some interesting, background articles on the starve-the-

> beast strategy at the following websites:http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/29/us/dole-in-choosing-kemp-buried-a-b...http://tinyurl.com/KemptheRightard

>
> They didn't, however, cause the economic collapse on purpose. That all
> started with Bush's ownership society and was caused by greed and
> incompetence.

Is itb reversible? Or are they just cut food stamps to 47 million
Americans and let then eat cake?

[OccupySpring]

On Jun 1, 8:20 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> what will happen if we go into a third world war?
>
> -----
>
> i don't know, all i can think of what happened after WWI and WWII
>
> Seemed like the economy improved

You think Syria is being used to get us into a war with Syria, Will
Russia and China step in to help Syria?



>
> so i'm lost


No, THINK!!! I like when you think, you always come with wise ideas

[EARL DOYLE]

so the PUBS didn't think this would lead to a lot more of homelessness

are they that naive

On 6/1/12, mg <mgke...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[OccupySpring]

Economist Paul Krugman summarized the strategy in February 2010:
"Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push
through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening
the government’s fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as
a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an
unsustainable budget deficit." He wrote that the "...beast is
starving, as planned..." and that "Republicans insist that the deficit
must be eliminated, but they’re not willing either to raise taxes or
to support cuts in any major government programs. And they’re not
willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either,
because that might force them to explain their plan—and there isn’t
any plan, except to regain power


File:U.S.-Tax-Revenues-As-GDP-Percentage-(75-05).JPG

[OccupySpring]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S.-Tax-Revenues-As-GDP-Percentage-(75-05).JPG

[EARL DOYLE]

You think Syria is being used to get us into a war with Syria, Will
Russia and China step in to help Syria?

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the Eastern Orthodox Church told Russia not to get involved in Syria

On 6/1/12, OccupySpring <soprano....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

[OccupySpring]

On Jun 1, 8:50 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You think Syria is being used to get us into a war with Syria, Will
> Russia and China step in to help Syria?
>
> -----
>
> the Eastern Orthodox Church told Russia not to get involved in Syria

I HATE the wealthy and powerful pieces of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mg]

On Jun 1, 6:29 pm, OccupySpring <soprano.olivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 1, 8:10 pm, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The Republicans created the big deficit and huge debt on purpose with
> > their starve-the-beast strategy. The basic idea is to "bankrupt" the
> > government and use the deficits as an excuse to cut programs like
> > Social Security, Medicare, FEMA, OSHA, and the EPA, etc. I did a post
> > on the subject in April 2009. Wikipedia also has an article on the

> > Republican starve-the-beast strategy:http://tinyurl.com/NewTestamentRightieshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

>
> all the programs that help people in need and the programs set up to
> protect us from corporate greed. How scary,
>
>
>
> > There are some interesting, background articles on the starve-the-
> > beast strategy at the following websites:http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/29/us/dole-in-choosing-kemp-buried-a-b...
>

> > They didn't, however, cause the economic collapse on purpose. That all
> > started with Bush's ownership society and was caused by greed and
> > incompetence.
>
> Is itb reversible?  Or are they just cut food stamps to 47 million
> Americans and let then eat cake?

My guess is that it might take 30 or 40 years to pay off the debt, and
that wouldn't actually be paying it off. Instead, we will probably
just pay it down using inflation, like we did with the WWII debt. Of
course, after WWII we had a high growth rate because Europe and Japan
was rebuilding and we didn't have much competition. The U.S. isn't
really growing anymore. Also, the working class doesn't really have a
voice in Washington anymore due to the demise of the unions. So it's
difficult to imagine how the situation could be reversed.

[mg]

I remember during the Republican debates someone said they should let
people die who didn't have health insurance. They don't care about
homelessness. Actually, they probably just look at homelessness as
part of the natural order of things.

On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> so the PUBS didn't think this would lead to a lot more of homelessness
>
> are they that naive
>

> On 6/1/12, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > The Republicans created the big deficit and huge debt on purpose with
> > their starve-the-beast strategy. The basic idea is to "bankrupt" the
> > government and use the deficits as an excuse to cut programs like
> > Social Security, Medicare, FEMA, OSHA, and the EPA, etc. I did a post
> > on the subject in April 2009. Wikipedia also has an article on the
> > Republican starve-the-beast strategy:
> >http://tinyurl.com/NewTestamentRighties
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
>
> > There are some interesting, background articles on the starve-the-
> > beast strategy at the following websites:

> >http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/29/us/dole-in-choosing-kemp-buried-a-b...

[mg]

Yup, that's true. They created the massive deficits and debt on
purpose and if by some miracle the Democrats were able to fix
everything, they would just do it again.

On Jun 1, 8:11 am, thematte...@aol.com wrote:
> what bush did was done on purpose, he lowered the standard of living in america so we are more comparable to china and india, bushes goal, half met, was to make us a third world country, a two class plutocracy, ratt romney is out to finish the job bush started....beware the ratt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com>
> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO <opendeb...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:46 am
> Subject: You Can See Romney Grinning . . . From Outer Space
>
> Europe is slowing down and is in big trouble. India is slowing down.

> hina is slowing down and there is nothing but ugly numbers out this

> orning on the U.S. economy. Stock futures before the open are way

> own. Commodities have been getting slaughtered for a long time now.

> rude oil is down to about $83/bbl (but gas prices aren't down much of

> ourse). The yield on the 10-yr bond now under 1.5%. Germany's DAX is

> own over 3% this morning and the Germans have the best economy in

> urope. The DOW is down about 175 right now.

> ttp://www.cnbc.com/id/47643788
> When you think about it, the terrorists didn't really do much damage

> o the U.S. economy on 9/11, but the mess that Bush left us in is

> robably about the worst in U.S. history. Will we ever completely

> ecover from this? I doubt it.
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[OccupySpring]

Sounds like doomsday for ALL Americans

[EARL DOYLE]

HOW in the world do we pay off the debt

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[mg]

Not to long ago, I looked at a debt chart going back to WWII to the
present, and except for one or two years out of about 65 years, we had
never paid off any of the debt. Instead the debt simply became smaller
due to inflation and growth. The problem is that we don't have the
large growth rate that we used to have and we obviously never will.
What that means is that we will be paying off the Reagan/Bush debts
plus interest virtually forever and that translates into a lower
standard of life, virtually forever. Some economists, perhaps most
economists, recommend that we accelerate the process with inflation,
at about 8% per year, and that will shorten the time period.

On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HOW in the world do we pay off the debt
>

[EARL DOYLE]

Some economists, perhaps most
economists, recommend that we accelerate the process with inflation,
at about 8% per year, and that will shorten the time period.

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i don't see how inflation lowers our debt

[mg]

I've bought two houses in my life. When I first bought them the
payments seemed very high, but then after years of inflation, and pay
raises, the payments became very easy to handle compared to my higher
salary. The same is true with the national debt. It doesn't decrease
with inflation, but it becomes a lot smaller relative to GDP.

On Jun 3, 2:02 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some economists, perhaps most
> economists, recommend that we accelerate the process with inflation,
> at about 8% per year, and that will shorten the time period.
>
> -----
>
> i don't see how inflation lowers our debt
>

[EARL DOYLE]

thanks, gottcha

[geoffrey theist]

read up on the weimar republic.

[OccupySummer]

On Jun 3, 9:52 pm, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've bought two houses in my life. When I first bought them the
> payments seemed very high, but then after years of inflation, and pay
> raises, the payments became very easy to handle compared to my higher
> salary. The same is true with the national debt. It doesn't decrease
> with inflation, but it becomes a lot smaller relative to GDP.

Those days are long gone, how terrible for the younger generation.

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[EARL DOYLE]

listen to the kids' music, it'a boring, they are depressed

[lyn...@aol.com]

Bernanke plans to keep printing money until inflation kicks in. He believes the fed will be able to control it. I am not so sure.

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