Social Networks Interoperability - International Workshop 2009 (Final Call)

[John Breslin]

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Social Networks Interoperability - International Workshop 2009
4th Asian Semantic Web Conference, 7-9 Dec 2009, Shanghai, China
http://spin.nicta.org.au/SNI2009
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The objective of the 1st International Workshop on Social Networks
Interoperability is to bring together the Social Networks community to
discuss the technical interoperability issues facing service providers
and end users. The workshop will attract researchers, practitioners,
end users, and providers to help understand the current state-of-the-
art in social networks interoperability, and to plan pathways forward
to enable the community to achieve these goals.

Workshop Website: http://spin.nicta.org.au/SNI2009

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CALL FOR PAPERS
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The workshop will consist of a mix of full and short paper
presentations and demonstrations that will lay out the challenges to
the wider community.

Topic of interest include:
- Social Networks data format interoperability
- Social Networks information policy interoperability behaviour
(privacy and rights)
- Social Networks interoperable notification and connection
mechanisms
- Social Networks data feed interoperation
- Social Networks identity and authentication interoperability
- Social Networks mobile interoperability
- Social Networks graph interoperability and federation
- Social Networks interoperable business models

IMPORTANT DATES
Paper Submissions: 22 Oct 2009
Paper Notification: 02 Nov 2009
Paper Camera-ready: 09 Nov 2009
Workshop days: 07 Dec 2009

See the Workshop Website for Submission details: http://spin.nicta.org.au/SNI2009

Workshop Co-Chairs:
- Renato Iannella, NICTA, Australia
- John Breslin, National University of Ireland, Galway, Ireland
- Adrienne Felt, UC Berkeley, USA
- E. Michael Maximilien, IBM Almaden Research Center, USA

Program Committee:
Dan Brickley, Asemantics S.R.L., UK
Peter Bruza, Queensland University of Technology, Australia
Fabien Gandon, Inria, France
Guido Governatori, NICTA, Australia
Tyrone W A Grandison, IBM Almaden Research Center, USA
Harry Halpin, The University of Edinburgh, UK
Michael Hausenblas, DERI, Galway, Ireland
Ivan Herman, W3C, Netherlands
Sarath Indrakanti, NICTA, Australia
Sheila Kinsella, DERI, National University of Ireland, Galway, Ireland
Kun Liu, Yahoo! Labs, USA
Ashrafi Mafruzzaman, Institute for Infocomm Research, Singapore
Paul Miller, Talis, UK
See-Kiong Ng, Institute for Infocomm Research, Singapore
Alexandre Passant, DERI, Galway, Ireland
David Peterson, Boab Interactive, Australia
Matthew Rowe, University of Sheffield, UK
Laurianne Sitbon, QUT/NICTA, Australia
Hideaki Takeda, National Institute of Informatics, Japan
Claudia Wagner, Joanneum Research, Austria
Rigo Wenning, W3C, France


Workshop Website: http://spin.nicta.org.au/SNI2009

[Marc Canter]

sounds like an amazing conference

I can't go - but please make sure that:

- David Recordon
- Joseph Smarr
- Chris Messina
- Dare Obasanjo
- Angus Logan
- Monica Keller
- Kaliya Hamlin
- Dave Morin

see this.......

:-)

[Kaliya]

Its super academic.  It will be all presentations. 

Not really aimed at making any industry progress. Aimed at getting people tenure. 

I knew about it and asked them if they were going to use any intactive/unconference methods. They said nope. 

None of us can afford to get to china I am guessing. 

-Kaliya

[Christian Crumlish]

there must be some way to inject an idea virus into it, though

--
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[Breslin, John]

Kaliya -

 

I must admit that I am disappointed by this dismissive attitude towards the academic side.  And certainly the objective is not to have just academics attending - as with many of the workshops I've organised [1], the intent is to create interactions between industry, practitioners and academics in this space.

 

Yes, certainly the plan is that submissions to the event are for presentations.  We will also have our keynote from industry. I don't see any reason that we can't have some discussion sessions, lightning talks, panels, etc., if time allows.  But even unconferences (and I have organised a few) have mainly presentations, even if it is more self-organising than peer reviewed.

 

The main obstacle to those on list / CCed is location, for sure.  But the intent and the scope of the workshop are still valid.  And the issues involved are not exclusive to the English-speaking world.

 

I would prefer if we could embrace each other's work rather than exclude it.  I believe this attitude is shared by various working groups we've taken part in this space [2].

 

Disclaimer: I am an academic, not aiming for tenure, with a few toes in the commercial world, and I like to think my interoperability work is both industry friendly and progressive through its adoption in various web / enterprise applications.

 

Thanks,

 

John.

 

[1] FOAF Galway 2004, WebCamp Social Networks 2007, WebCamp Social Network Portability 2008, Social Data on the Web 2008, SDoW 2009 (taking place this Sunday in DC)

[2] DataPortability, W3C Social Web Incubator Group, etc.

 

Dr. John Breslin

Lecturer | Leader, Social Software

School of Engineering and Informatics | DERI

NUI Galway, Ireland

http://www.johnbreslin.org/ (Work)

http://www.johnbreslin.com/ (Personal)

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[Steven Livingstone-Perez]

>  And the issues involved are not exclusive to the English-speaking world.

+1

 

There is lots going on outside the US and they (I, We) need/want to be involved too.

 

/steven

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[Ben Laurie]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Breslin, John
<john.b...@nuigalway.ie> wrote:
> Kaliya -
>
>
>
> I must admit that I am disappointed by this dismissive attitude towards the
> academic side.  And certainly the objective is not to have just academics
> attending - as with many of the workshops I've organised [1], the intent is
> to create interactions between industry, practitioners and academics in this
> space.
>
>
>
> Yes, certainly the plan is that submissions to the event are for
> presentations.  We will also have our keynote from industry. I don't see any
> reason that we can't have some discussion sessions, lightning talks, panels,
> etc., if time allows.  But even unconferences (and I have organised a few)
> have mainly presentations, even if it is more self-organising than peer
> reviewed.
>
>
>
> The main obstacle to those on list / CCed is location, for sure.  But the
> intent and the scope of the workshop are still valid.  And the issues
> involved are not exclusive to the English-speaking world.

Interesting that the PC seems to be entirely drawn from the
English-speaking world, then.

[Ben Werdmuller]

The academic world and the industry aren't mutually exclusive - there
are plenty of social networks being used in academia, specifically for
academic purposes. It's a very separate use case to the kinds of
commercial sites and tools most of us spend our time thinking about,
but still, interoperability between those is a huge thing. And a huge
market. (Although I would say that, given that the socnet platform I
was involved with until recently - Elgg - is widely used in
education.)

That said, I completely agree with you. It's unfortunately true that
very little technical progress tends to happen in academia, and that
there's a large percentage of people in it to further their own
credentials. Those people can actually be blockers in my experience,
because often the required progress counters the abstract idea they've
built some notoriety around, and there's no incentive at all to build
anything with a directly practical application. (They're easy to spot:
usually they're the ones advocating a complete spec before any code is
written or tested.) Furthermore, there don't actually seem to be any
social network providers listed at all, unless you count Yahoo! Labs.
Why not?

But as Christian said: "there must be some way to inject an idea virus
into it". There's an opportunity there to genuinely help a different
niche develop the tools they need to share knowledge and research - if
they're ready to listen. Most of us went to university, and/or know
that academia is a crucial part of society, and also a part
(ironically) underserved by the web. Similarly, although the
conference itself does seem to be mainly English-speaking, there's a
lot to be said for building Chinese contacts, and discussing those
ideas in the hallways (always the best part of any conference). I
don't intend to attend unless they offer to pay for my ticket -
unlikely given I'm unattached to a platform just now - but for those
of you building your ideas out, it could still be worthwhile.

I'd strongly urge John to add some kind of less strongly organised,
geek-centered component to the event though. If you want web-based
social networks to interoperate, trust the human ones to produce
something productive.

Alternatively, maybe we should think about organizing our own event.

Ben

--
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Tel: +44 (0) 777 338 5490
Skype: benjaminmorayhouse1

[John Breslin]

You've got me there Ben! We organised the PC at very short notice (a
few days before the deadline)...

[John Breslin]

Hi Ben Werd -

> I'd strongly urge John to add some kind of less strongly organised,
> geek-centered component to the event though. If you want web-based
> social networks to interoperate, trust the human ones to produce
> something productive.

Yes, I am suggesting this to my co-chairs.

> Alternatively, maybe we should think about organizing our own event.

I think that'd be a good idea - no reason not to have multiple events
in this space around the place, as the issue concerns us all wherever
we are - we had a small related event in Cork last year with about
40-50 people http://webcamp.org/SocialNetworkPortability and some
great breakout sessions

J.
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[Kaliya]

On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:59 AM, Breslin, John wrote:

Kaliya -

 

I must admit that I am disappointed by this dismissive attitude towards the academic side. 

Well it is coming to the party a bit late. The community that we have have been working on in has been addressing the topic for 5 years beginning in 2004.  It is nice to write papers and stuff about it now that it is actually happening and industry is implementing solutions. 

And certainly the objective is not to have just academics attending - as with many of the workshops I've organised [1], the intent is to create interactions between industry, practitioners and academics in this space.

Yes, certainly the plan is that submissions to the event are for presentations. 

When I reached out to whoever I reached out to about the conference and asked about formats I felt a bit dismissed. 

We will also have our keynote from industry. I don't see any reason that we can't have some discussion sessions, lightning talks, panels, etc., if time allows.  But even unconferences (and I have organised a few) have mainly presentations,

At the events I facilitate like the Internet Identity Workshop or the Real-Time Web Summit most of the conversations are industry to Industry dialogue moving things forward mostly NOT presentations but working sessions.  

even if it is more self-organising than peer reviewed.

 

The main obstacle to those on list / CCed is location, for sure.  But the intent and the scope of the workshop are still valid.  And the issues involved are not exclusive to the English-speaking world.

 

I would prefer if we could embrace each other's work rather than exclude it.  I believe this attitude is shared by various working groups we've taken part in this space [2].

If you do useful stuff I imagine it will get talked about at IIW. 

[David Recordon]

There's a need and a purpose for open-space style events, more traditional technology conferences, and academic conferences.  If anything, this thread shows that we as a relatively small community have done a poor job serving all of these needs.

While I hadn't heard about SIOC before, there appear to be over a dozen implementations according to John's wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOC.

--David

[John Breslin]

Hi Kaliya -

> When I reached out to whoever I reached out to about the conference  
> and asked about formats I felt a bit dismissed.

I can only apologise, and say that while workshops at these events
tend to be presentation oriented, there should also be scope for
interactive sessions. In fact, I also encourage speakers if they are
strong enough to accept questions during their talks.

Regarding being late to the party, I'd counter that the Sem Web
community has also been working on solutions since 2000 [1] (me
personally since 2004). We had over 100 people come to the FOAF
Galway event (some of those CCed attended that) in 2004 [2].

Thanks,

John.
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[1] http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/dagstuhl-foaf-history-talk
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/events/foaf-galway/programme.html

[John Breslin]

> There's a need and a purpose for open-space style events, more traditional
> technology conferences, and academic conferences.  If anything, this thread
> shows that we as a relatively small community have done a poor job serving
> all of these needs.

Thanks David - and would like to do what I can to help.

> While I hadn't heard about SIOC before, there appear to be over a dozen
> implementations according to John's wiki page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOC.

There are around about 40-50 applications or modules using SIOC,
including Yahoo! SearchMonkey and Drupal 7 (just announced at
http://twitter.com/Dries/status/4997311434). I must update the
applications page!

All the best, John.

[David Recordon]

Hey John,

I think one of the things that you could do would be expanding your review committee to include those in industry who have been deploying technologies around social network interoperability.  Facebook, Google, Microsoft, MySpace, and Yahoo! all support various interoperability technologies yet none of the people or technologies are represented and involved.  While semantic web technologies have existed and evolved for a number of years, this sort of interoperability for hundreds of millions of people is being achieved via Activity Streams, OpenID, OpenSocial, OAuth, and the Portable Contacts API.

--David

[Marc Canter]

Like David said +1

[Karl Dubost]

Le 19 oct. 2009 à 17:10, Kaliya a écrit :
> None of us can afford to get to china I am guessing.

Though it seems that it could be interesting to go there.
China: QQ, Xiaonei, 51

real business is done on social networks such as QZone of Tencent: 1
billion dollars in revenue.
http://digital.venturebeat.com/2009/03/19/the-worlds-most-lucrative-social-network-chinas-tencent-beats-1-billion-revenue-mark/

with challenges

>> ==============================================
>> Social Networks Interoperability - International Workshop 2009
>> 4th Asian Semantic Web Conference, 7-9 Dec 2009, Shanghai, China
>> http://spin.nicta.org.au/SNI2009
>> ==============================================
>>
>> The objective of the 1st International Workshop on Social Networks
>> Interoperability is to bring together the Social Networks community
>> to
>> discuss the technical interoperability issues facing service
>> providers
>> and end users. The workshop will attract researchers, practitioners,
>> end users, and providers to help understand the current state-of-the-
>> art in social networks interoperability, and to plan pathways forward
>> to enable the community to achieve these goals.
>>
>> Workshop Website: http://spin.nicta.org.au/SNI2009

--
Karl Dubost
Montréal, QC, Canada
http://twitter.com/karlpro

[rajub...@googlemail.com]

And another one, David +2

I've been following SIOC for the past 3 years, it's a great initiative and project!

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