Toronto Fans: SF Book Shop?
Dennis Mullin
On 13 Apr 1998, 3c...@qlink.queensu.ca (De Castellvi Jaime M) wrote:
>I understand that Bakkha, the legendary SF Book Store in Toronto has been
>either closed down or relocated. If the latter, has any of you the right
>address for it and could you share? If you also happen to know the
>closest subway station, I'd appreciate it. I haven't lived in TO since
>1985. But any *bit* of info would help.
>
>Also, if (ghod forbid!) it has been closed, do you know of any other SF
>bookstores (hopefully close to downtown area or within subway reach),
>primarily those dedicated to USED BOOKS or with a USED BOOK section?
Their new address, as of April 1, is:
Bakka
598 Yonge Street
Toronto, Ontario
(416)963-9993
Since subway goes under that section of Yonge, it should be
easy to get to by subway (I don't know the closest station).
I've been told there are a couple of other used bookstores on Yonge
within a few blocks (further north) of this location.
Tom Patterson
Dennis Mullin (dmu...@sentex.net) wrote:
: On 13 Apr 1998, 3c...@qlink.queensu.ca (De Castellvi Jaime M) wrote:
: >I understand that Bakkha, the legendary SF Book Store in Toronto has been
: >either closed down or relocated. If the latter, has any of you the right
: >address for it and could you share? If you also happen to know the
: >closest subway station, I'd appreciate it. I haven't lived in TO since
: >1985. But any *bit* of info would help.
: Their new address, as of April 1, is:
: Bakka
: 598 Yonge Street
: Toronto, Ontario
: (416)963-9993
The nearest subway stop is Wellesley, which is a few doors east of Yonge
on Wellesley St. Go out the front doors, turn right, cross Yonge and turn
right. Continue north for half a block. I don't think it will open until
this weekend, but I am not sure.
Other used bookstores in the area with SF sections include ABC Books, a
few blocks north on the same side of Yonge, and Elliot's Books, which you
will pass on Yonge St on your way to nuBakka. Elliot's SF section is
better, and definitely better organized, if sometimes more expensive.
-Tom Patterson
--
Henry Spencer
In article <ErFyBr.Ho...@torfree.net>,
Tom Patterson <ac...@torfree.net> wrote:
>: >I understand that Bakkha, the legendary SF Book Store in Toronto has been
>: Their new address, as of April 1, is...
>
>...Continue north for half a block. I don't think it will open until
Nonsense; it was open April 1, the day after the move. Mind you, there
were still cardboard boxes and assorted improvisations visible several
days later, but it's settling down now.
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Nollaig MacKenzie
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:07:02 GMT, Tom Patterson wrote:
:>: Their new address, as of April 1, is:
:>: Bakka
:>: 598 Yonge Street
:>: Toronto, Ontario
:>: (416)963-9993
:>
:>The nearest subway stop is Wellesley, which is a few doors east of Yonge
:>on Wellesley St.
A lazy way to find out where 598 Yonge is: enter it at:
If you're really lazy, find the subway stop at:
Cheers, N.
Robert J Sawyer
>A lazy way to find out where 598 Yonge is: enter it at:
>
>http://www.mapquest.com
>
>If you're really lazy, find the subway stop at:
>
>http://metro.ratp.fr:10001
Doubtless good advice, but Wellesley IS a major east-west artery in
Toronto, with both a subway station and hospital named after it. I
can't imagine anyone who lives in Toronto not knowing where it is.
But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single
busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city.
Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your
right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's
venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
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In article <ejnWOtO...@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>,
Robert J Sawyer <7670...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>
>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single
>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city.
>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your
>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's
>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial
artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and
lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely
linked.
James Nicoll
--
Dan Goodman
In article <89274089...@globe.uwaterloo.ca>,
You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading,
none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're
good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave
man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different
direction than yours.
--
Dan Goodman
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Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt
dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
[]
> You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading,
> none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're
> good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave
> man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different
> direction than yours.
This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find
non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of
the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT
visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays
and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are
Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to
straights?
Panel ideas are not a problem. I'm not progressing well in finding
panelists. I'd also like an expert on LBGT issues in Anime for the
Sex in Anime panel. I would appreciate volunteers or ideas about
where to find them. (Panelists get a discount on their con membership
- TT is a great con, worth the price even without a discount.)
Maybe I should just stand in front of Bakka/Glad Day and see who goes
into both. :-)
Jayne
William George Ferguson
>Robert J Sawyer <7670...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single
>>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city.
>>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your
>>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's
>>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
jam...@ece.uwaterloo.ca (James Nicoll) wrote:
> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
>
> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial
>artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and
>lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely
>linked.
James Nicoll, meet Jessica Amanda Salmonson.
Aznin
Friends, gather round and lend me your ears. It so happened that on
Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:36:47 GMT jam...@ece.uwaterloo.ca (James Nicoll)
put pen to paper and wrote ...
>In article <ejnWOtO...@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>,
>Robert J Sawyer <7670...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>>
>>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single
>>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city.
>>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your
>>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's
>>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
>
> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
>
> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial
>artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and
>lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely
>linked.
Melissa Scott's characters are often not-straight (bi, gay, or
something difficult to define, see"Shadow Man"). None of them are
black belt martial artists though.
Aznin
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James Nicoll
In article <980416.161522...@mmalt.guild.org>,
Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt <jay...@spambait.guild.org> wrote:
>dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
>
>[]
>> You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading,
>> none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're
>> good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave
>> man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different
>> direction than yours.
>
>This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find
>non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of
>the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT
>visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays
>and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are
>Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to
>straights?
Well, you *could* go to the LBG store that is apparently
below Bakka and look for the crossover traffic with Bakka. Seriously.
Aren't some of the Bunch of Seven (or whatever they called
themselves) gay? They're published *and* Canadian, if CanCon is a
goal as well.
James Nicoll
--
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"Tell that to Karen Carpenter."
"What does she know? She's dead."
Rhianna
Aznin wrote:
> Melissa Scott's characters are often not-straight (bi, gay, or
> something difficult to define, see"Shadow Man"). None of them are
> black belt martial artists though.
C.S. Friedman uses a very heavy handed sexual dynamic in "In Conquest
Born." Her character and race archetypes reflect the extremity of
near-nymphomania and near-asexuality. Anzha liu Mitethe is one of the
two "heros" of the book who is female, very assertive, dangerous with
a blade and consumed by hatred. There is enough ambiguity and
conflict about her sexual persona that she could easily be construed
as bisexual or perhaps even lesbian if she were _able_ to consummate a
relationship like that.
Dan Goodman
In article <980416.161522...@mmalt.guild.org>,
Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt <jay...@spambait.guild.org> wrote:
>dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
>
>[]
>> You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading,
>> none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're
>> good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave
>> man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different
>> direction than yours.
>
>This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find
>non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of
>the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT
>visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays
>and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are
>Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to
>straights?
>
>panelists. I'd also like an expert on LBGT issues in Anime for the
>Sex in Anime panel. I would appreciate volunteers or ideas about
>where to find them. (Panelists get a discount on their con membership
>- TT is a great con, worth the price even without a discount.)
>
>Maybe I should just stand in front of Bakka/Glad Day and see who goes
>into both. :-)
Here in Minneapolis, the easy way would be to call the phone contact for
the North Country Gaylaxians.
For me, the next couple steps would be:
2) contact knowledgeable local fans who are publicly known to be gay or
bi.
3) contact other knowledgeable local fans.
Dan Goodman
In article <353af347....@enews.newsguy.com>,
William George Ferguson <fr...@primenet.com> wrote:
>>Robert J Sawyer <7670...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>>>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single
>>>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city.
>>>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your
>>>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's
>>>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
>
>> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
>>
>> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial
>>artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and
>>lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely
>>linked.
>
Formerly Amos Salmonson, if I recall correctly.
Beth Friedman
Dan Goodman <dsg...@visi.com> wrote in article
<PKLZ.950$lB3.1...@ptah.visi.com>...
> In article <980416.161522...@mmalt.guild.org>,
> Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt
<jay...@spambait.guild.org> wrote:
> >dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
> >This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find
> >non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of
> >the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT
> >visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays
> >and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are
> >Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to
> >straights?
> >
> >Panel ideas are not a problem. I'm not progressing well in finding
> >panelists.
I'm replying to Dan's message, since I was off-line (Minicon ate my life)
when the original went by.
For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list
with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find
subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but
I won't be at Toronto Trek.
BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by
definition same-sex.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Dan Goodman
In article <01bd6a30$b83816e0$97f4...@bjf.wavefront.com>,
What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female
sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than
the "standard" two.)
Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt
"Beth Friedman" <b...@wavefront.com> writes:
[]
> BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by
> definition same-sex.
So I always thought of it. However, last year I encountered people
who were using it with a broader definition. It seems like linguistic
drift to me. Anyhow, I thought I should specify to ensure that my
meaning was clear.
Jayne
Morgan Gallagher
In this post <01bd6a30$b83816e0$97f4...@bjf.wavefront.com>, Beth
Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> said:
>For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list
>with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find
>subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but
>I won't be at Toronto Trek.
there's also Acafen, the mailing list for academics and fen. Mostly
filled by people who are both. Someone there is working on Xena, and
wrested from myself, in a discussion, the immortal phrase "Female heroes
don't get laid."
Slash gets the list talking more than about anything else!
--
Morgan
"Nunc demum intellego," dixit Winnie ille Pu. "Stultus et
delusus fui," dixit "et ursus sine ullo cerebro sum."
Morgan Gallagher
In this post <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2...@ptah.visi.com>, Dan Goodman
<dsg...@visi.com> said:
>>BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by
>>definition same-sex.
>
>sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than
>the "standard" two.)
akshully, I thik you'll find the idea that f/f can be slash a hotly
contested issue. I've se powerful arguments that slash is m/m only.
As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go
there.
Beth Friedman
> In article <01bd6a30$b83816e0$97f4...@bjf.wavefront.com>,
> Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> wrote:
> >BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by
> >definition same-sex.
>
> What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female
> sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than
> the "standard" two.)
I believe the answer to both of those is "rishathra." Which Mama don't
allow 'round here.
In point of fact, while I can think of a fair amount of fanfic in which
there is cross-species sex, all of the stories I can think in which sex
occurs have characters who are either male or female.
The only fanfic I can think of right now that postulates a species with
more than one sex was co-written by a regular on this newsgroup.
"And here he comes."
. . .
"My mistake," Myfanwy whispered to McCoy. "It isn't
a he; it's a that."
"How are you so sure?"
"A male or female wouldn't be so tall, and a transmitter
would have narrower hips and shoulders. So that's an
incubator."
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Dan Goodman
In article <cKjDTHAB...@sidhen.demon.co.uk>,
Morgan Gallagher <Mor...@sidhen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In this post <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2...@ptah.visi.com>, Dan Goodman
><dsg...@visi.com> said:
>>>definition same-sex.
>>
>>What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female
>>sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than
>>the "standard" two.)
>
>contested issue. I've se powerful arguments that slash is m/m only.
>
>As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go
>there.
Since I made no such suggestion, the warning isn't needed. Thanks anyway.
mike weber
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:32:17 +0100, in
<cKjDTHAB...@sidhen.demon.co.uk>, Morgan Gallagher
<Mor...@sidhen.demon.co.uk> (Morgan Gallagher) wrote:
>As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go
>there.
>
Xena and Joxter.
--
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And pray that there's intelligence somewhere out in space --
'Cos there's bugger all down here on the Earth!
mike weber
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:43 EST, in
<980417.165343...@mmalt.guild.org>,
jay...@spambait.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by
mmalt) (Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt) wrote:
>"Beth Friedman" <b...@wavefront.com> writes:
>
>[]
>> BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by
>> definition same-sex.
>
>So I always thought of it. However, last year I encountered people
>who were using it with a broader definition. It seems like linguistic
>drift to me. Anyhow, I thought I should specify to ensure that my
>meaning was clear.
>
Heck, the definition that most media-fanzine readers/writers use for
"fanzine" itself seem rather different from what i thought was the
definition when i was a fringe-fanzine-fan in the Sixties...
Beth Friedman
Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt <jay...@spambait.guild.org>
wrote in article <980417.165343...@mmalt.guild.org>...
> "Beth Friedman" <b...@wavefront.com> writes:
>
> []
> > BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by
> > definition same-sex.
>
> So I always thought of it. However, last year I encountered people
> who were using it with a broader definition. It seems like linguistic
> drift to me. Anyhow, I thought I should specify to ensure that my
> meaning was clear.
Yes, I've heard people arguing that X-Files, because of the high level of
UST (unresolved sexual tension) has a slash dynamic. I reject this
argument, but others don't.
I'd suggest using phrasing something like "slash (same-sex)" -- that way
you define the term for the those who aren't familiar with it, and specify
what flavor of slash you mean for those who are. It looks like
clarification rather than redundancy.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Debra Fran Baker
In <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2...@ptah.visi.com> dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
>>
>>For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list
>>with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find
>>subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but
>>I won't be at Toronto Trek.
>>
>>definition same-sex.
>What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female
>sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than
>the "standard" two.)
A slash list I frequent just had a minor warm skirmish about this. The
upshot is that for all sorts of reasons, slash means "fanfic about
same-sex relationships." Anything else is a headache for writers,
archivists and the readers who either want to avoid such stories or are
looking actively for them. The example for the latter is a very good
X-Files story that is emphatically not slash, but was labeled as such.
Therefore people who might have enjoyed the story did not read it.
Adult stories of a heterosexual nature are called "hetsmut."
Not every story is easily classified, of course. I'm still bemused that
one of my stories came in second in a hetsmut category - of the three
extremely marginally adult scenes, only one was between a male and a
female, and the primary focus was a retarded kid (botched genetic
engineering between two highly divergent species) who never sexually
matured at all.
As for the second one - I don't honestly know. They don't crop up much in
media fandom.
Debra
--
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Debra Fran Baker dfb...@panix.com
Debra Fran Baker
>On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:32:17 +0100, in
><cKjDTHAB...@sidhen.demon.co.uk>, Morgan Gallagher
><Mor...@sidhen.demon.co.uk> (Morgan Gallagher) wrote:
>>As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go
>>there.
>>
>Xena and Joxter.
Hetsmut.
Robert Sneddon
> In <3538557f...@news.mindspring.com> emsh...@aol.com (mike weber)
> writes:
>
> >Xena and Joxter.
>
> Hetsmut.
Dangermouse/Penfold? It's definitely not heterosexual. Interspecies?
Doctor Who/K-9? Ummm...
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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:26:06 GMT, mike weber wrote:
:>On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:32:17 +0100, in
:><cKjDTHAB...@sidhen.demon.co.uk>, Morgan Gallagher
:><Mor...@sidhen.demon.co.uk> (Morgan Gallagher) wrote:
:>
:>
:>>As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go
:>>there.
:>>
:>Xena and Joxter.
:>
Please! Someone tell me what "slash" means, before this thread
drives me crazy.
Cheers, N.
Doug Berry
>In article <6hd5v9$5...@panix.com> dfb...@panix.com "Debra Fran Baker" writes:
>
>> In <3538557f...@news.mindspring.com> emsh...@aol.com (mike weber)
>> writes:
>>
>> >Xena and Joxter.
>>
>> Hetsmut.
>
> Dangermouse/Penfold? It's definitely not heterosexual. Interspecies?
>
> Doctor Who/K-9? Ummm...
Leela/Romana II
Jo Grant/Sarah Jane
ah, the mind does wander on a Sunday afternoon...
--
Douglas E. Berry
dbe...@hooked.net
http://www.hooked.net/~dberry/
Proud Hooker since 1995.
Debra Fran Baker
>In article <6hd5v9$5...@panix.com> dfb...@panix.com "Debra Fran Baker" writes:
>> In <3538557f...@news.mindspring.com> emsh...@aol.com (mike weber)
>> writes:
>>
>> >Xena and Joxter.
>>
>> Hetsmut.
> Dangermouse/Penfold? It's definitely not heterosexual. Interspecies?
Slash, since it's homosexual. K/S is also interspecies, after all.
> Doctor Who/K-9? Ummm...
Well, Geodie/Data is slash...if K9 is fully functional, that's the way to
go.
De Castellvi Jaime M
Thank you to everyone who took the trouble to email or post with pointers
about Bakka's new adress, hours of operation and with more detailed
pointers as to how to get there.
I had no problem getting there Friday evening. Never having had the
chance to see the old Bakka, I can't compare. I found this Bakka a very
warm and comfortable place, with very friendly customers who spoke to you
at the slightest occasion. I also found the owner most helpful and kind.
I wasn't able to find many books (largely because I had raided Eliot's
just before and found many of my picks there, and also because Bakka is
still rebuilding their used books section), so the owner recommended Jamie
Fraser Bookstore. I went there Sunday and found many other nice picks.
I also was able to get copies of _On Spec_, _Science Fiction Chronicle_
and _Locus_ at Bakka. All in all, it was a very pleasant visit and I
appreciate everybody's kind help in getting me there :)
Cheers,
Jaime
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Robert Sneddon
> In <893004...@ibfs.demon.co.uk> no...@ibfs.demon.co.uk (Robert Sneddon)
> writes:
>
> > Doctor Who/K-9? Ummm...
>
> Well, Geodie/Data is slash...if K9 is fully functional, that's the way to
> go.
The weirdest among many suggested slash lineups one drunken convention
night was, I think, Dr. Who/Tardis. There was, IIRC, a suggestion for
a Judge Dredd/Chthulhu story, but I don't know where that one came from...
Martin Harlow
In article <893111...@ibfs.demon.co.uk>, Robert Sneddon
<no...@ibfs.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <6hg0v0$l...@panix.com> dfb...@panix.com "Debra Fran Baker" writes:
>
>> In <893004...@ibfs.demon.co.uk> no...@ibfs.demon.co.uk (Robert Sneddon)
>> writes:
>>
>> > Doctor Who/K-9? Ummm...
>>
>> Well, Geodie/Data is slash...if K9 is fully functional, that's the way to
>> go.
>
> The weirdest among many suggested slash lineups one drunken convention
>night was, I think, Dr. Who/Tardis. There was, IIRC, a suggestion for
>a Judge Dredd/Chthulhu story, but I don't know where that one came from...
>
I have heard of Dangermouse/Professionals, though apparently it's not
what you think...
Martin
--
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've
always worked for me" - Hunter S. Thompson
Martin Harlow mar...@freedonia.demon.co.uk
Beth Friedman
Martin Harlow <mar...@freedonia.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<am8KPyAE...@freedonia.demon.co.uk>...
> I have heard of Dangermouse/Professionals, though apparently it's not
> what you think...
They're quite amusing, but by standard slash terminology, they aren't
Dangermouse/Pros -- they're DM/Penfold and Bodie/Doyle.
It's a series of stories by Debra Hicks, mostly appearing in CHALK AND
CHEESE (and now available, thanks to Debra, from the Pros on-line library).
I was pleased to give Pat Wrede (who's a DM fan) a chance to read the one
where Bodie and Doyle are needed to give Dangermouse and Penfold assistance
in foiling one of Baron Greenback's nefarious schemes.
Chris Croughton
Beth Friedman wrote:
> In point of fact, while I can think of a fair amount of fanfic in which
> there is cross-species sex, all of the stories I can think in which sex
> occurs have characters who are either male or female.
I don't know about fanfic, but Peter David's new Star Trek series
("New Frontiers") has one of the characters who's a hermaphrodite.
OK, it doesn't get graphic but there's an opportunity to have, if
not 'other', both m/m and f/f sex at the same time...
Chris C
David G. Bell
There's a traditional Lincolnshire farm wagon in a Trek novel?
(My grandfather had one, but the wheels fell off.)
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
Todd D. Ellner
> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial
>artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and
>lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely
>linked.
It's a stereotype, but not completely without merit. Martial arts has
never been a welcoming place to women, and to practice anything except
the bark-easting crystal-suppository version of Taiji or one of the
kinder gentler strains of Aikido is still a hard row to hoe for most.
So a lot of the pioneers have, perforce, been gender outlaws. Lots of
these, naturally, have been lesbians who spend their whole lives being
gender outlaws. Lesbians aren't generally under any illusions about some
man coming and rescuing them (duh!), so many have an active interest in
protecting themselves.
Some gay men (but not all or even the majority by any means) go the
opposite way. Many reject a lot of stereotypically male behavior as part
of the exploration of their sexual identity. Of course, the stereotype
of the mincing queen is false, too. But most people associate gay man
with effeminate man.
I recall an incident which happened at a certain coffee house in Denver
which will remain nameless. Some of the local Skinheads threw a rock through
the window with a challenge attached naming the time and place. Two of
the regulars threw the same rock and note through the window of a local
leather bar which has a f***ing SHRINE to Arnold Schwarznegger. When the
Skins showed up (and I've actually seen the video tape) the first words
out of their mouths were "Oh shit! It's not the hippies. It's the faggots!"
To their credit, they didn't break. They formed the shield wall and fought
through the battle, the beating, and the mass rape which followed.
Todd
--
Todd Ellner | Think in the morning. Act in the noon. Eat in the
tel...@cs.pdx.edu | evening. Sleep in the night.
(503)493-4431 | --William Blake "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
Chris Croughton
David G. Bell wrote:
>
> In article <353CAA...@amc.de> crou...@amc.de "Chris Croughton" writes:
>
> > Beth Friedman wrote:
> >
> > > In point of fact, while I can think of a fair amount of fanfic in which
> > > there is cross-species sex, all of the stories I can think in which sex
> > > occurs have characters who are either male or female.
> >
> > I don't know about fanfic, but Peter David's new Star Trek series
> > ("New Frontiers") has one of the characters who's a hermaphrodite.
> > OK, it doesn't get graphic but there's an opportunity to have, if
> > not 'other', both m/m and f/f sex at the same time...
>
> There's a traditional Lincolnshire farm wagon in a Trek novel?
I'm assuming from context that a 'hermaphrodite' is the name of
some sort of wagon? Apologies for missing the joke, my education
seems to have been neglected in that area...
> (My grandfather had one, but the wheels fell off.)
One of the few cases where that phrase could be literally true.
My grandmother used it primarily about things which didn't have
wheels in the first place...
Chris C