On 13 Apr 1998, 3c...@qlink.queensu.ca (De Castellvi Jaime M) wrote:
>I understand that Bakkha, the legendary SF Book Store in Toronto has been >either closed down or relocated. If the latter, has any of you the right >address for it and could you share? If you also happen to know the >closest subway station, I'd appreciate it. I haven't lived in TO since >1985. But any *bit* of info would help.
>Also, if (ghod forbid!) it has been closed, do you know of any other SF >bookstores (hopefully close to downtown area or within subway reach), >primarily those dedicated to USED BOOKS or with a USED BOOK section?
Their new address, as of April 1, is: Bakka 598 Yonge Street Toronto, Ontario (416)963-9993
Since subway goes under that section of Yonge, it should be easy to get to by subway (I don't know the closest station). I've been told there are a couple of other used bookstores on Yonge within a few blocks (further north) of this location.
: On 13 Apr 1998, 3c...@qlink.queensu.ca (De Castellvi Jaime M) wrote:
: >I understand that Bakkha, the legendary SF Book Store in Toronto has been : >either closed down or relocated. If the latter, has any of you the right : >address for it and could you share? If you also happen to know the : >closest subway station, I'd appreciate it. I haven't lived in TO since : >1985. But any *bit* of info would help. : Their new address, as of April 1, is: : Bakka : 598 Yonge Street : Toronto, Ontario : (416)963-9993
The nearest subway stop is Wellesley, which is a few doors east of Yonge on Wellesley St. Go out the front doors, turn right, cross Yonge and turn right. Continue north for half a block. I don't think it will open until this weekend, but I am not sure.
Other used bookstores in the area with SF sections include ABC Books, a few blocks north on the same side of Yonge, and Elliot's Books, which you will pass on Yonge St on your way to nuBakka. Elliot's SF section is better, and definitely better organized, if sometimes more expensive.
Tom Patterson <ac...@torfree.net> wrote: >: >I understand that Bakkha, the legendary SF Book Store in Toronto has been >: >either closed down or relocated... >: Their new address, as of April 1, is...
>...Continue north for half a block. I don't think it will open until >this weekend, but I am not sure.
Nonsense; it was open April 1, the day after the move. Mind you, there were still cardboard boxes and assorted improvisations visible several days later, but it's settling down now. -- Being the last man on the Moon | Henry Spencer is a very dubious honor. -- Gene Cernan | he...@zoo.toronto.edu
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:07:02 GMT, Tom Patterson wrote:
:>: Their new address, as of April 1, is: :>: Bakka :>: 598 Yonge Street :>: Toronto, Ontario :>: (416)963-9993 :> :>The nearest subway stop is Wellesley, which is a few doors east of Yonge :>on Wellesley St.
A lazy way to find out where 598 Yonge is: enter it at:
Doubtless good advice, but Wellesley IS a major east-west artery in Toronto, with both a subway station and hospital named after it. I can't imagine anyone who lives in Toronto not knowing where it is.
But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city. Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
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In article <ejnWOtOa9GA....@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>, Robert J Sawyer <76702....@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single >busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city. >Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your >right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's >venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely linked.
>>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single >>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city. >>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your >>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's >>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial >artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and >lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely >linked.
You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading, none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different direction than yours. -- Dan Goodman dsg...@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
> You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading, > none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're > good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave > man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different > direction than yours.
This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to straights?
Panel ideas are not a problem. I'm not progressing well in finding panelists. I'd also like an expert on LBGT issues in Anime for the Sex in Anime panel. I would appreciate volunteers or ideas about where to find them. (Panelists get a discount on their con membership - TT is a great con, worth the price even without a discount.)
Maybe I should just stand in front of Bakka/Glad Day and see who goes into both. :-)
>Robert J Sawyer <76702....@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single >>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city. >>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your >>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's >>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial >artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and >lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely >linked.
Friends, gather round and lend me your ears. It so happened that on Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:36:47 GMT jame...@ece.uwaterloo.ca (James Nicoll) put pen to paper and wrote ...
>>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single >>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city. >>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your >>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's >>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial >artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and >lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely >linked.
Melissa Scott's characters are often not-straight (bi, gay, or something difficult to define, see"Shadow Man"). None of them are black belt martial artists though.
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>[] >> You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading, >> none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're >> good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave >> man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different >> direction than yours.
>This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find >non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of >the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT >visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays >and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are >Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to >straights?
Well, you *could* go to the LBG store that is apparently below Bakka and look for the crossover traffic with Bakka. Seriously.
Aren't some of the Bunch of Seven (or whatever they called themselves) gay? They're published *and* Canadian, if CanCon is a goal as well.
James Nicoll -- "You can't be too rich or too thin." "Tell that to Karen Carpenter." "What does she know? She's dead."
Aznin wrote: > Melissa Scott's characters are often not-straight (bi, gay, or > something difficult to define, see"Shadow Man"). None of them are > black belt martial artists though.
C.S. Friedman uses a very heavy handed sexual dynamic in "In Conquest Born." Her character and race archetypes reflect the extremity of near-nymphomania and near-asexuality. Anzha liu Mitethe is one of the two "heros" of the book who is female, very assertive, dangerous with a blade and consumed by hatred. There is enough ambiguity and conflict about her sexual persona that she could easily be construed as bisexual or perhaps even lesbian if she were _able_ to consummate a relationship like that.
>[] >> You've been reading a skewed sample of sf. In what I've been reading, >> none of the lesbians are particularly good at fighting -- though they're >> good enough that they don't have to stand by helplessly while some brave >> man gets them out of trouble. My sample is skewed in a different >> direction than yours.
>This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find >non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of >the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT >visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays >and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are >Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to >straights?
>Panel ideas are not a problem. I'm not progressing well in finding >panelists. I'd also like an expert on LBGT issues in Anime for the >Sex in Anime panel. I would appreciate volunteers or ideas about >where to find them. (Panelists get a discount on their con membership >- TT is a great con, worth the price even without a discount.)
>Maybe I should just stand in front of Bakka/Glad Day and see who goes >into both. :-)
Here in Minneapolis, the easy way would be to call the phone contact for the North Country Gaylaxians.
For me, the next couple steps would be: 2) contact knowledgeable local fans who are publicly known to be gay or bi. 3) contact other knowledgeable local fans. -- Dan Goodman dsg...@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
>>Robert J Sawyer <76702....@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >>>But, to make it even more clear: go to Yonge and Bloor, the single >>>busiest intersection in Canada; the crossroads of its largest city. >>>Got it? Good. Walk south a few hundred metres. Bakka will be in your >>>right (just past the Pizzaville, and underneath Glad Day, Toronto's >>>venerable gay and lesbian bookstore).
> jame...@ece.uwaterloo.ca (James Nicoll) wrote: >> That'll make for some interesting cross-over traffic.
>> BTW, why is it none of the lesbians I know are black-belt martial >>artists or bitchin' swordspersons? According to SF, martial prowess and >>lesbianism (but not male homosexuality for some reason) are closely >>linked.
>James Nicoll, meet Jessica Amanda Salmonson.
Formerly Amos Salmonson, if I recall correctly. -- Dan Goodman dsg...@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Dan Goodman <dsg...@visi.com> wrote in article <PKLZ.950$lB3.1944...@ptah.visi.com>...
> In article <980416.161522.4N9.rnr.w1...@mmalt.guild.org>, > Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt <jay...@spambait.guild.org> wrote: > >dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes: > >This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find > >non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of > >the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT > >visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays > >and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are > >Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to > >straights?
> >Panel ideas are not a problem. I'm not progressing well in finding > >panelists.
I'm replying to Dan's message, since I was off-line (Minicon ate my life) when the original went by.
For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but I won't be at Toronto Trek.
BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by definition same-sex.
Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> wrote: >Dan Goodman <dsg...@visi.com> wrote in article ><PKLZ.950$lB3.1944...@ptah.visi.com>... >> In article <980416.161522.4N9.rnr.w1...@mmalt.guild.org>, >> Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt ><jay...@spambait.guild.org> wrote: >> >dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes: >> >This raises a question much on my mind lately: How am I going to find >> >non-straight panelists for Toronto Trek (July 10-12)? I'm a member of >> >the programming staff this year and we're trying to increase LBGT >> >visibility, in terms of topics and panelists. Some panel ideas: Gays >> >and Lesbians is SF/F; Homophobia and Heterosexism in Star Trek; Are >> >Xena and Gabrielle Lovers?; Why does same-sex slash fan fic appeal to >> >straights?
>> >Panel ideas are not a problem. I'm not progressing well in finding >> >panelists.
>I'm replying to Dan's message, since I was off-line (Minicon ate my life) >when the original went by.
>For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list >with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find >subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but >I won't be at Toronto Trek.
>BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by >definition same-sex.
What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than the "standard" two.) -- Dan Goodman dsg...@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
> BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by > definition same-sex.
So I always thought of it. However, last year I encountered people who were using it with a broader definition. It seems like linguistic drift to me. Anyhow, I thought I should specify to ensure that my meaning was clear.
In this post <01bd6a30$b83816e0$97f44...@bjf.wavefront.com>, Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> said:
>For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list >with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find >subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but >I won't be at Toronto Trek.
there's also Acafen, the mailing list for academics and fen. Mostly filled by people who are both. Someone there is working on Xena, and wrested from myself, in a discussion, the immortal phrase "Female heroes don't get laid."
Slash gets the list talking more than about anything else!
-- Morgan
"Nunc demum intellego," dixit Winnie ille Pu. "Stultus et delusus fui," dixit "et ursus sine ullo cerebro sum."
In this post <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2084...@ptah.visi.com>, Dan Goodman <dsg...@visi.com> said:
>>BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by >>definition same-sex.
>What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female >sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than >the "standard" two.)
akshully, I thik you'll find the idea that f/f can be slash a hotly contested issue. I've se powerful arguments that slash is m/m only.
As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go there.
-- Morgan
"Nunc demum intellego," dixit Winnie ille Pu. "Stultus et delusus fui," dixit "et ursus sine ullo cerebro sum."
Dan Goodman <dsg...@visi.com> wrote in article <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2084...@ptah.visi.com>...
> In article <01bd6a30$b83816e0$97f44...@bjf.wavefront.com>, > Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> wrote: > >BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by > >definition same-sex.
> What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female > sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than > the "standard" two.)
I believe the answer to both of those is "rishathra." Which Mama don't allow 'round here.
In point of fact, while I can think of a fair amount of fanfic in which there is cross-species sex, all of the stories I can think in which sex occurs have characters who are either male or female.
The only fanfic I can think of right now that postulates a species with more than one sex was co-written by a regular on this newsgroup.
"And here he comes."
. . .
"My mistake," Myfanwy whispered to McCoy. "It isn't a he; it's a that."
"How are you so sure?"
"A male or female wouldn't be so tall, and a transmitter would have narrower hips and shoulders. So that's an incubator."
In article <cKjDTHABa+N1E...@sidhen.demon.co.uk>, Morgan Gallagher <Mor...@sidhen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In this post <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2084...@ptah.visi.com>, Dan Goodman ><dsg...@visi.com> said: >>>BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by >>>definition same-sex.
>>What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female >>sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than >>the "standard" two.)
>akshully, I thik you'll find the idea that f/f can be slash a hotly >contested issue. I've se powerful arguments that slash is m/m only.
>As for when you suggest that m/f could be slash... ouch. don't go >there.
Since I made no such suggestion, the warning isn't needed. Thanks anyway. -- Dan Goodman dsg...@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:43 EST, in <980417.165343.7s0.rnr.w1...@mmalt.guild.org>, jay...@spambait.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt) (Jayne Kulikauskas but replace spambait by mmalt) wrote:
>[] >> BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by >> definition same-sex.
>So I always thought of it. However, last year I encountered people >who were using it with a broader definition. It seems like linguistic >drift to me. Anyhow, I thought I should specify to ensure that my >meaning was clear.
Heck, the definition that most media-fanzine readers/writers use for "fanzine" itself seem rather different from what i thought was the definition when i was a fringe-fanzine-fan in the Sixties...
-- <mike weber> <emshan...@aol.com> And pray that there's intelligence somewhere out in space -- 'Cos there's bugger all down here on the Earth!
> [] > > BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by > > definition same-sex.
> So I always thought of it. However, last year I encountered people > who were using it with a broader definition. It seems like linguistic > drift to me. Anyhow, I thought I should specify to ensure that my > meaning was clear.
Yes, I've heard people arguing that X-Files, because of the high level of UST (unresolved sexual tension) has a slash dynamic. I reject this argument, but others don't.
I'd suggest using phrasing something like "slash (same-sex)" -- that way you define the term for the those who aren't familiar with it, and specify what flavor of slash you mean for those who are. It looks like clarification rather than redundancy.
In <XkPZ.1004$lB3.2084...@ptah.visi.com> dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
>>For slash issues (both m/m and f/f), there's an open slash mailing list >>with an academic slant, called Slashpoint; if you're interested, I can find >>subscription information. I'd also be happy to be an e-mail resource, but >>I won't be at Toronto Trek.
>>BTW, that last question contains a redundancy: slash fanfic is by >>definition same-sex. >What terms are used for 1) usual-other-sex, 2) other than male or female >sex? (That is -- one or more of those involved are of sexes other than >the "standard" two.)
A slash list I frequent just had a minor warm skirmish about this. The upshot is that for all sorts of reasons, slash means "fanfic about same-sex relationships." Anything else is a headache for writers, archivists and the readers who either want to avoid such stories or are looking actively for them. The example for the latter is a very good X-Files story that is emphatically not slash, but was labeled as such. Therefore people who might have enjoyed the story did not read it.
Adult stories of a heterosexual nature are called "hetsmut."
Not every story is easily classified, of course. I'm still bemused that one of my stories came in second in a hetsmut category - of the three extremely marginally adult scenes, only one was between a male and a female, and the primary focus was a retarded kid (botched genetic engineering between two highly divergent species) who never sexually matured at all.
As for the second one - I don't honestly know. They don't crop up much in media fandom.
Debra
-- One sharp peppercorn is better than a basketful of melons. -- Tractate Megillah 7A ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Debra Fran Baker dfba...@panix.com
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